哪位大侠帮我翻译翻译啊。。不胜感激！

我自以为英语还够用，不过这回不行了，北欧人写出来的理解起来真吃力。

这里是一个牌谱，大家也可以一起讨论讨论 ：）  楼主是个英国人 发的牌谱

Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $10 Ante - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $19924.00
Hero (SB): $12382.00
BB: $11428.00
UTG: $3374.00
MP: $19031.00
CO: $12375.00

Pre Flop: ($135.00) Hero is SB with Js Kd 9c Ac
2 folds, CO raises to $235, 1 fold, Hero raises to $815, 1 fold, CO calls $580

Flop: ($1740.00) Ad 7d 6h (2 players)
Hero bets $1400, CO calls $1400

Turn: ($4540.00) Qs (2 players)
Hero bets $3725

Hero is taking a shot - not sure if villain is aware of this. Villain is very successful, very good pro. My plan is to bet/fold the turn if that's not clear


下面是北欧人的回复

1.I think I'd lean towards checking the turn, especially with the Kd, god I hate playing omaha 200bb deep out of position
这个很好理解， 我倾向于check turn,尤其当我有Kd(对手不会有nut fd 会减少对手turn bet 的几率同时对手不是drawing nuts也害怕hero的turn check raise)， 最后，上帝 我讨厌打200BB的没位置奥马哈游戏

2.If you do bet, without much history I like the betsize to be able to fold to a shove, noone is shoving the turn with a worse hand ever, you're prolly gonna be up against AQ/A7 quite alot. But you have to be really careful in the future if you do bet/fold with this bet-size because its super exploitable, and I see tons of regs doing this, in this spot potting with stuff like monster draws but then often folding to a shove when using this "bit under pot" bet-size with these stacksizes. Also I don't think you will lose the pot always after you check, he should be a bit worried about getting c/r

这里大部分我能理解， 就是这句话But you have to be really careful in the future if you do bet/fold with this bet-size because its super exploitable, and I see tons of regs doing this, in this spot potting with stuff like monster draws but then often folding to a shove when using this "bit under pot" bet-size with these stacksizes
我觉得应该是这段话的精髓 我读了好几遍也不知道什么意思。。。 potting with stuff难道means pot bet opponent?  


这是牌谱1  还有牌谱2 牌谱3.。。  这个北欧人我觉得比一般人还是牛逼不少的， 他的观点也总是独到的

意思是在这样的筹码量下，用类似 xxx 的牌满池下注，用其他牌下比 pot 略少的注然后弃牌给全下, 这样的打法是非常有漏洞的。

2.If you do bet, without much history I like the betsize to be able to fold to a shove, noone is shoving the turn with a worse hand ever, you're prolly gonna be up against AQ/A7 quite alot. But you have to be really careful in the future if you do bet/fold with this bet-size because its super exploitable, and I see tons of regs doing this, in this spot potting with stuff like monster draws but then often folding to a shove when using this "bit under pot" bet-size with these stacksizes. Also I don't think you will lose the pot always after you check, he should be a bit worried about getting c/r

如果你确实下注了，在没有更多历史信息的情况下，我喜欢你的下注量，因为这个下注量没有使你套池，以致于如果面对一个allin我们还能丢掉。没有人会在转牌用比我们的手牌还差的牌来推allin，（如果真的面对allin，）很多时候你很可能遇到了AQxx或A7XX的牌。但，在将来你必须对采用这种下注量的bet/fold line非常小心，因为这是非常容易被利用的。我见过相当多的reg们在做着这种事：在这样的筹码量下，拿着一些类似于monster draw的牌，采用“略小于底池总量”的下注量在这样的时点进行下注，但却总是在面对对手的allin时fold掉。另外，我不认为如果你check的话你会经常失去这个彩池，因为你的对手会有一点担心遭到check/raise。

这里的“potting with stuff”不能断掉后面的"like"
这里的potting应该只是“下注”的意思，并不是“满池下注”。
"potting with stuff like something"，用类似于something的东西下注

dengxianqi 发表于 2012-9-25 09:25
这里的“potting with stuff”不能断掉后面的"like"
这里的potting应该只是“下注”的意思，并不是“满池下 ...

邓哥  对对 就是这句话  一开始我也是像你这么翻译（理解的）
然后。。。 我觉得一些事情unreasonable.....

monster draw bet 大概80%-90% pot turn 然后fold to shove。在需要25%-35%的equity的情况下 是不太可能的，或者说基本commit了（就是我觉得这是个常识，一般REGULAR也不会犯这个错误或者本能的就CALL了）。 但作者意思是，许多regular都有这么个弱点使得他的打法很容易被exploitable，很明显作者认为许多人都会有这个leak...

比如帖子里的pot,  hero turn betsize我不太喜欢，有点多，使得如果对手shove了他只需要26% equity.   但hero拿的是成牌，很可能被top2 ,set dominate. 我就是不能理解monster draw这种spot有人会fold。 但作者的意思是很多人会这么做。

于是我就怀疑作者是不是另外的意思。。

其实可能是我想多了。。。  

If you do bet, without much history I like the betsize to be able to fold to a shove, noone is shoving the turn with a worse hand ever, you're prolly gonna be up against AQ/A7 quite alot. But you have to be really careful in the future if you do bet/fold with this bet-size because its super exploitable, and I see tons of regs doing this, in this spot potting with stuff like monster draws but then often folding to a shove when using this "bit under pot" bet-size with these stacksizes. Also I don't think you will lose the pot always after you check, he should be a bit worried about getting c/r。
如果bet的话，如果没有太多hh的情况，他喜欢的betsize是能够bf size（意思是可能你下的太大了，太容易commit自己，也太容易只留下比你大的牌，而且你的牌面对很多2p还是有一定equity的fold了很可惜），对手没有什么比你差的牌会去shove你，你大多情况下面对的是他aq、a7这样top2+ shove的牌。如果你用这种betsize去bf，那一定要注意了，因为太容易被别人利用。他看到很多的玩家也是这样，如果有强draw pot bet，但是用bet略小于pot 的size来bf（类似于这手牌）。另外，他也不认为如果check turn总是意味着放弃这个pot，因为对手也怕被你cr（因为对手也蛮害怕你有2p+和set a什么的）

好像确实咱们理解的不太一样

铁牛 发表于 2012-9-27 17:51
好像确实咱们理解的不太一样

牛哥太给力！！！
打扑克的熟人里终于找到个英语比我好的了

牛哥翻译是绝对精确版啊！！
我断句出问题了貌似

我英语不如你啊，我是根据自己的理解半猜的 LoL