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我在这里咨询个问题，现在ps上边六人桌好手，大概是什么数据？

yhmn 发表于 2018-1-16 23:06
我在这里咨询个问题，现在ps上边六人桌好手，大概是什么数据？

你这问题其实挺难回答的.   

微级别越紧越不容易被剥削.  20/18,17/15. 18/18 3bet6-10 等等都可以是盈利玩家.  
级别往上这么紧几乎肯定要被剥削,可能24/20这种比较接近主流(平均水平).

数据和水平好坏没有太大的联系.赢家和输家的表面数据其实都差不多.  

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.08 BB (VPIP: 15.70, PFR: 9.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 121)
Hero (SB): 136.12 BB
BB: 108.28 BB (VPIP: 21.00, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 9.80, Hands: 665)
UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 11.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 149)
MP: 102.04 BB (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 20.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
CO: 93.56 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q Q

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, MP calls 16 BB, CO calls 16 BB

Flop: (61 BB, 3 players)  4 K 9
Hero bets 116.12 BB and is all-in, MP calls 82.04 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (225.08 BB, 2 players)  9

River: (225.08 BB, 2 players)  T
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (225.08 BB, 2 players)  2

River #2: (225.08 BB, 2 players)  6

Hero shows  Q Q  (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 67%, Flop 54%, Turn 77%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 67%, Flop 53%, Turn 71%)

MP shows  A T  (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 33%, Flop 46%, Turn 23%)
(High Card, Ace)
Board #2 (Pre 33%, Flop 47%, Turn 29%)

Hero wins 108.56 BB
Hero wins 108.52 BB

对波动的接受和认识对于技术发挥还是有显著的促进作用.    早上这手为例,  V open 4bb,可以是AT+,99+. Co可能是99-.    在翻牌SPR1, 如果这里考虑输或者赢,也许过牌也是一个选项.   但是我block掉几乎所有KQs组合. 基本上只输AK和set.  如果对手有JJ,很大概率犯错误.  显然Jam是最好的选择,其他都交给波动.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 55.24 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 187.8 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 103.88 BB
UTG: 86.16 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 724.32 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 130.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (36.4 BB, 3 players)  3 2 A
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (36.4 BB, 3 players)  K
Hero bets 22.96 BB, MP calls 22.96 BB, fold

River: (82.32 BB, 2 players)  T
Hero bets 68.92 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 78.6 BB


刚好下午又打了一手,可以和上面参照.  V Ax的组合太多, 哪怕spr是1, 哪怕blocked掉AK,check 也是最好的选择.   

上面有人问到数据, 我简单介绍几个数据和技术的牌例.     数据相当于读人, 但他的主体还是读牌,不可能说读人比读牌重要. 数据也是一个道理.   所以在做一个决定的时候,数据应该是最后的参考而不是最首要的.

下面是早上和秘鲁人的两手牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 104.8 BB
SB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.96, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 9.54, Hands: 652)
BB: 262.52 BB
UTG: 56.12 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 19)
MP: 107.48 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 53)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, SB raises to 101.4 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 47 BB

不知不觉有650手历史,此前没有关注过.  他的数据VPIP 21;3b 10; F3 35; 4b 12;F4 33. 我没有设置5bet 的数据,微级别应该用不到.      至少有两点直观的信息:1 打得偏紧凶  2:非常顽固,不喜欢弃牌.

我K3s如果跟注3bet感觉太松了, 所以我4bet bluff.  他5bet出来的时候,我的解读是他在3/4bet数据这么高的情况下, 似乎5bet也没有减少.那么可以认为,他5bet的范围里有很多A5s,88-99甚至66.      那么以后我对抗他的策略就是减少4bet,增加flat.  大致的抵抗频率应该是4bet 5%(always call 5bet jams),flat 45%,fold 50%.

这里体现了数据的作用,  但是要清醒地认识到. 如果hero设定了正确的抵抗范围,那么要归功于数据,也就是说,并不是hero特别聪明技术特别好.完全是数据的作用.

然后来到下面这手牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.88 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
SB: 112.16 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.08, Hands: 672)
BB: 100.72 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 78)
UTG: 111.36 BB (VPIP: 16.27, PFR: 11.93, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 1,038)
MP: 142.12 BB (VPIP: 16.09, PFR: 14.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.14, Hands: 414)
Hero (CO): 134.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.72 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players)  7 A A
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players)  5
SB bets 6.6 BB, Hero raises to 17.56 BB, SB raises to 34 BB, Hero calls 16.44 BB

River: (89 BB, 2 players)  3
SB checks, Hero bets 90.56 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 85 BB

基于以上的阅读,这里正确的preflop策略就是跟注.  Flop 他过牌, 这时如果hero第一时间去查看V的3bet pot cbet数据那么是错误的(让数据凌驾于牌理肯定不对.) 这牌面显然不适合IP去偷池(这是技术层面的第一反应),有了这个决定之后可以再去看下他的cbet数据(图里我没截出来,他的3b cbet 100%),数据体现他可能想要xr,也等于验证了随后过牌的正确性.

转牌,他probe bet.   仍然不应该去看数据. 他可以delayed cbet qq,kk,etc. 而这些牌正是我们可以bluff走的牌. 因此我没有查看他任何转牌的数据.      

然后他转牌3bet.  check check otf, bet raise ott. 只有纯鱼才会这种line打AX.   这个对手显然不是纯鱼,所以多数时候他这么打是在诈唬(把hero当鱼打). 这是完美的float场景.     我很轻松地跟注,  仍然没有去查看任何转牌数据,因为不需要.  有合理的阅读前提下不要让任何数据来干扰判断.

河牌,  如果他下注我当然会弃牌. 然后他check.  我认为这里是领先的,只输66和88(基本不太可能),我可以考虑过牌,也可以考虑下注.   EV应该差不多,  但是如果随后过牌,我就给他太多info,他可以随后调整对抗我的策略. 所以我倾向于jam.     这时候我需要一点点数据的帮助,我查看了他的河牌数据(见图).  图中可以看到他在河牌一点也不激进而且相当保守.  在面对我的river bet时他的跟注是0%.   所以最后jam就水到渠成.   

在这手牌中数据起到的是辅助作用, 也是使用hud的本意所在.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.72 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 152)
SB: 94.08 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 161.72 BB (VPIP: 15.99, PFR: 14.09, 3Bet Preflop: 8.81, Hands: 378)
Hero (UTG): 116.84 BB
MP: 108.64 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 87)
CO: 84.32 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A Q

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, CO calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.76 BB, 2 players)  T Q 7
Hero bets 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.76 BB, 2 players)  4
Hero bets 9.28 BB, CO calls 9.28 BB

River: (33.32 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero bets 10.52 BB, CO raises to 37 BB, Hero calls 26.48 BB

CO shows  6 5  (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 41%, Flop 6%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows  A Q  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 59%, Flop 94%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 102.48 BB

这手牌和上面不同.  在河牌我阻挡下注.  V raise.  我完全不知道领先还是落后.  许多赢我的牌,许多诈唬的牌.
   
查看他的河牌数据,  river call 33%, river bet 14%. 既然不喜欢call,也不喜欢bet. 喜欢弃牌?可是showdown 又高达38%.  因此很可能raise 太多.   

最后跟注完全归功于数据软件.  并非技术成分.  所以这手牌EV可以示作0. 并不代表实际技术水平. 当然这偏离了用数据软件来提升技术的本意.  

我曾经见过有人发在youku的视频,那个人几乎每个decision之前都要点hud,看得我无语. 过度使用hud真的不可取.

我对数据的挖掘和应用处在非常浅的层面,也没有计划深入,更加不会依赖.最终唯一可靠的还是本身的技术.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 45)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 17.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 245)
BB: 126.08 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 5.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 344)
UTG: 88.24 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (MP): 178.56 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.18, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5 A

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.96 BB, 2 players)  7 Q K
Hero bets 1.88 BB, CO calls 1.88 BB

Turn: (9.72 BB, 2 players)  5
Hero checks, CO bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (27.72 BB, 2 players)  J
Hero checks, CO bets 86.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 86.84 BB

CO shows  A Q  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows  5 A  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 193.4 BB


上面提到一些对抗比较激烈的牌谱主要是为了少被剥削,不是盈利的主要途径.  抓住这种大鱼才是利润核心.

"微级别推或跟allin AK,QQ负EV"的说法.   这么简单的东西本来不值得去说, 不过连续3天波动都站在我这边(久违的感觉),一高兴就多bb几句.  

只推AA,KK,  必然会体现在数据上,    V 不搭理你就行了,  没有action,AA和烧火棍没有区别.

用什么范围去4bet推,或者call 4bet allin. 通常不是一厢情愿,你自己想用什么范围就用什么范围,肯定是对应对手的3b,4b范围.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 286.52 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 22)
SB: 97.36 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (UTG): 140.76 BB
MP: 124.36 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 112 BB (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 11.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 291)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  8 8

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.96 BB, 2 players)  5 3 3
Hero bets 3.76 BB, CO calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (13.48 BB, 2 players)  4
Hero bets 8.52 BB, CO calls 8.52 BB

River: (30.52 BB, 2 players)  Q
Hero bets 19.24 BB, CO calls 19.24 BB

Hero shows  8 8  (Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO shows  K K  (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 65.88 BB

这是一位同胞,  play so bad.   看看他的数据(见图). 3b 0% out of  290hands;F3 100%, Flat sb open 67%;sb fold to btn open 100%;sb open 40%;BB fold to btn open 50% . 他把所有PREFLOP错误全都犯了. 简直奇葩. "又紧又弱的call station?".OMG.   这么打可以想见他AA能拿到什么价值??  KK搞不好是输钱的.   用AK,QQ去推或接这个NITTY CS,可以认为是-EV的.

下面这两手是和德国人.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 205.48 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 290.36 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 797)
BB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 259)
UTG: 99.24 BB (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 9.38, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (CO): 134.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 9.72 BB

Flop: (25.4 BB, 2 players)  7 3 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

Turn: (57.4 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero checks, BTN bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River: (117.4 BB, 2 players)  6
Hero checks, BTN bets 147.48 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 112.12 BB

从这一手可以看出来他是怎么打QQ+ 大对子的(也不排除这里有少量诈唬),但总体是这么玩overpair的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.72 BB (VPIP: 7.84, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 106)
SB: 265.12 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 20)
BB: 202.64 BB (VPIP: 21.49, PFR: 16.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.10, Hands: 1,225)
UTG: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 26.71, PFR: 21.23, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 152)
MP: 125.08 BB (VPIP: 17.49, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.87, Hands: 228)
Hero (CO): 126.32 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, SB calls 8.6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 126.32 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 117.32 BB

Flop: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  6 A 7

Turn: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  6

River: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  K
Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  5 T 7

Turn #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  3

River #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players)  2

SB shows  9 9  (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Nines)
Board #2 (Pre 21%, Flop 11%, Turn 3%)

Hero shows  Q Q  (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 79%, Flop 89%, Turn 97%)

Hero wins 127.32 BB
Hero wins 127.32 BB

过了一会来到这手, 德国人在sb cold call 3bet,那就是没有QQ+.   所以在hero看来,SB就是dead money.   BTN数据也很少,看上去很紧,但总体来说btn 3bet 的范围还是不强的.  有这么多死钱,AK,QQ推出去必然是+EV的.

德国人用99跟注,不是因为他鱼,很可能是因为他不鱼.  他的HUD应该显示我在后位4bet数据偏高,所以他认为这种情况下AK一定会推,还会有一些抢死钱的诈唬.     这里有数据的欺骗性,数据不可能告诉他在这种场合只推很少的AKs.  数据也不能告诉他我每次4b的sizing.  

他没把我的JJ打光,我把他的99打光了. 在对方调整之前,我可以认为有少许的edge.

扑克既然是对抗性游戏, 自然没有什么以不变应万变的万全策略. 永远不推3b/4b/5bAK,QQ那就永远被剥削. 敌人不会让你在舒适区轻轻松松赚钱.




   

今天运气很好,打到800手牌的时候我简直不相信有这么好的运气.  不想破坏完美的图形. 于是停下来不打,看看视频,  脑子里也正好有技术方面的一些疑惑,仔细想想.   

已经很久没有打出过Agame.  因为多数session开头或结尾会犯一些低级错误.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 19.07, PFR: 14.41, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 242)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 131.24 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
UTG: 114.72 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 11.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 70)
MP: 114.4 BB (VPIP: 22.62, PFR: 17.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.31, Hands: 1,555)
CO: 154.48 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 175)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players)  A 6 6
Hero bets 6.6 BB, CO calls 6.6 BB

Turn: (34.2 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero bets 21.56 BB, CO calls 21.56 BB

River: (77.32 BB, 2 players)  3
Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows  K K  (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 9%, Turn 2%)
CO shows  A K  (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)
CO wins 73.84 BB

难以容忍的错误,还好出现在session刚开始.  发现后马上警醒,慢慢进入状态.   



PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 9.46, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 150)
SB: 138 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 26.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 61)
BB: 77.12 BB (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 12.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
UTG: 156.04 BB (VPIP: 29.01, PFR: 24.69, 3Bet Preflop: 15.09, Hands: 168)
Hero (MP): 204.84 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.41, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 1,026)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K Q

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (5.4 BB, 2 players)  Q 7 Q
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5.4 BB, 2 players)  2
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.32 BB, Hero raises to 15.12 BB, BTN calls 11.8 BB

River: (35.64 BB, 2 players)  T
Hero bets 15 BB, BTN raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

BTN shows  2 2  (Full House, Twos full of Queens)
(Pre 51%, Flop 11%, Turn 84%)
Hero mucks  K Q  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 49%, Flop 89%, Turn 16%)
BTN wins 95.16 BB

这手和上面是前后脚,当时感觉如果有Kd应该fold,后来软件算了下, 17 to win 85. 只需要16%胜率, 即便对上他的value r range也有27%的胜率. 所以是good call.  有Kd也应该call.  V犯了一个巨大的错误. 正确的sizing就是全进.  他全进后,如果我拿KQ跟注(我错误),如果我弃牌(双方都没错,仅仅是波动.)  软件计算后发现这种情况Akicker和K kicker的战斗力差别是巨大的, equity 相差将近16%.  KQ跟注总是错的, AQ跟注是对的.    当然打牌的时候我算不出来,完全是凭感觉.   

这手由于V犯错,给了hero 大约14bb的额外EV.  hero赚大了.  这种捡的EV,我称为"不可持续EV",随着对手水平的提升和级别升高, 这种EV很可能就捡不到了.   是真实的EV,不是波动, 现在有,未来不一定有,不一定可持续.


  PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 559.72 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.46, PFR: 15.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.73, Hands: 382)
BB: 100.64 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 561.12 BB (VPIP: 21.59, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 9.12, Hands: 866)
MP: 126.44 BB (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 16.42, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 286)
Hero (CO): 159.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players)  3 9 6
BB bets 8.8 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players)  6
BB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River: (76 BB, 2 players)  3
BB checks, Hero bets 72.56 BB, BB calls 62.84 BB and is all-in

Hero shows  T K  (Flush, King High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 47%, Turn 91%)
BB shows  Q Q  (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
(Pre 67%, Flop 53%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 193.68 BB

这手,Hero的打法没什么好说的.  说说V的错误. 有句话怎么说"u willing to live,must willing to die", willing to check,must willing to fold.  如果我在V的位置,在状态正常的情况下,有3条line.  依据的原则:"要么留住V弱的那部分范围,要么尽早get in, 锁定EV."

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 200.16 BB (VPIP: 21.33, PFR: 18.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 1,186)
SB: 108.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
BB: 118.44 BB (VPIP: 29.46, PFR: 25.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 132)
UTG: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 25.14, PFR: 19.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.12, Hands: 1,131)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 82.76 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A K

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, BB calls 1.68 BB

Flop: (8.04 BB, 3 players)  A Q 5
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Turn: (14.04 BB, 2 players)  7
SB checks, Hero bets 8.84 BB, SB raises to 25.68 BB, Hero calls 16.84 BB

River: (65.4 BB, 2 players)  K
SB bets 77.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.64 BB and is all-in

SB shows  9 Q  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows  A K  (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 63%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 194.68 BB

又是一条大鱼.
我最近几天才开始解决自身"傲慢"的那部分情绪,比如在PS我总是去分析和Reg对抗的牌,总想着怼赢他们,忽视复盘VS鱼打的牌.  现在才开始意识到"打鱼"的重要性.      

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.96 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 57.72 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 17)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.40, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.72, Hands: 387)
UTG: 189.96 BB (VPIP: 13.93, PFR: 10.95, 3Bet Preflop: 3.61, Hands: 206)
MP: 114 BB (VPIP: 21.93, PFR: 17.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 350)
Hero (CO): 133.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB calls 1.88 BB, fold

Flop: (5.56 BB, 2 players)  A Q 8
SB bets 5.32 BB, Hero calls 5.32 BB

Turn: (16.2 BB, 2 players)  2
SB bets 7.76 BB, Hero calls 7.76 BB

River: (31.72 BB, 2 players)  K
SB bets 15.16 BB, Hero raises to 55.16 BB, SB calls 27.2 BB and is all-in

Hero shows  Q 7  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 79%, Turn 100%)
SB shows  J T  (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 21%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 111.2 BB

找别人优点的时候,看到的都是优点.找碴的时候看到的都是碴,找reg的时候都是reg. 只找鱼的时候,那鱼其实也不少.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.08 BB (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 18.28, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 97)
SB: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 25.56, PFR: 19.74, 3Bet Preflop: 13.76, Hands: 549)
MP: 44.48 BB (VPIP: 14.67, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)
CO: 135.36 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 1.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 243)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T A

UTG raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players)  5 J J
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (5.36 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero checks, UTG bets 3.84 BB, Hero raises to 12.28 BB, UTG calls 8.44 BB

River: (29.92 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero bets 45 BB, UTG calls 45 BB

Hero shows  T A  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 17%, Turn 25%)
UTG mucks  Q Q  (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 67%, Flop 83%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 114.52 BB

这手牌要好好分析一下.   转牌xr 有多少利润? FE相信有60%,保守点50%吧. 0.5*2.3=1.15,河牌空白我放弃.0.5*3.07=1.53.  EV 1.15-1.53=-0.38* 3次都不中=-1.14  除了AT这种强听牌之外,我再拿7次空气诈唬.算他10次全输.  0.38*10=3.8刀.   15.2bb+抽水=16BB.    只要在中的那一次拿到价值超过17BB就能盈利.  

所以我在河牌45-16=29BB妥妥的非波动EV.

当然这个EV也是"不可持续性的". NL100 V不会给你这样轻松的xr的机会. 升级后这部分EV就会缩水.  

我的目标是碾压NL100.  所以除了排除波动,还要排除会缩水的EV来定位是否可以回NL100了.

发两手盲注攻防(最近学习的重点)

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 150.96 BB (VPIP: 30.64, PFR: 24.42, 3Bet Preflop: 15.07, Hands: 178)
SB: 160 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BB): 155.24 BB
UTG: 252.76 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.28, Hands: 1,568)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.73, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 149)
CO: 220.92 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 59)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6 K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB calls 8 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players)  Q 4 8
SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB calls 11 BB

Turn: (44 BB, 2 players)  7
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (44 BB, 2 players)  5
SB bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

SB shows  J 9  (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 42%, Flop 38%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows  6 K  (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 58%, Flop 62%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 87.84 BB

转牌不是草花的话应该是非常不错2nd barrel overbet的牌.   草花7,check应该也没有问题.  河牌标准的跟注,应该没有问题.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 105.56 BB (VPIP: 20.67, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.72, Hands: 824)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 102.36 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 270.52 BB (VPIP: 30.68, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 88)
CO: 318.12 BB (VPIP: 27.94, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 70)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (44 BB, 2 players)  5 K Q
SB bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

Turn: (86 BB, 2 players)  Q
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (86 BB, 2 players)  2
SB bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 57 BB and is all-in, SB calls 43 BB

Hero shows  Q J  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 15%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
SB shows  A A  (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 85%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 192 BB

河牌根据手牌移除效应(我自己琢磨,这种情况应该是这样吧,怪Y总没有把第4篇放出来),QJ 是easy jam. AQ可能跟注是最优的.

最后一手是真凶啊，JQo这种牌盲打盲我从来没3bet过，有位置的时候跟注保持一个小锅这种牌还挺好处理的。

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-19 01:38
最后一手是真凶啊，JQo这种牌盲打盲我从来没3bet过，有位置的时候跟注保持一个小锅这种牌还挺好处理的。 ...

V是相对弱的reg，跟注3bet范围比较紧， 我偶尔会用qjo，q8s这种去剥削式3bet。

打鱼平跟居多吧。

4b尺寸太小，除此之外V打得没有问题，翻后被我赶上了，算他运气不好。