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讨论一手牌
[quote="royalflush":3op2oppg][quote="插一腿":3op2oppg]卧靠， 敲了大半页，以为发上来了，给弄丢了。 [s:176]
再简单说一下我的想法：
pre-flop: 我觉得call比re-raise 好，主要原因是blinds 还很低， 都是deep stack, 自己位置不好， 不宜把锅弄大， 把自己搞的进Flop 之后很难打。
Flop: 我会bet out 1/2 pot, 但不是很清楚这一定比check 好还是坏，要考虑对手风格。
Turn: 我认为必须bet, 但不宜超过1/2 pot, 感觉大概1/3合适。
River: 一般来说，这种情况check是最佳打法。
不对之处 D&R 请纠正。
pf 如果call, 就如之前我说，我本身比较喜欢the way how David played.
flop: check
这一点可能就是我overall的作风，我极少donk out flop， 我的check means anything, all my pf range
除了这点balance之外，exploitive way 来看，如果我们觉得UTG pf range very tight，那么bet out
通常只会fold out his weaker range, and get raised or called by his stronger range. 相反这里
我们想要get value from his weaker range, and save some chips against his stronger range.
turn:我有想过bet out, 过后觉得check为宜， 因为觉得6max 对手多为aggressive
如果对手 UTG range 88+, AK, AQs, AJs （我觉得是蛮保守的）
那么其中对手的TT, 还有AKs, AQs, AJs 也成了 2 overs + nut flush draw
而且这里我们bet out基本上只有让对手fold worse, raise/call with better hands/semi bluff hands
面对AKs, AQs, AJs 我们是领先尤其是AJs 但是如果对手raise all-in, 我们有困难的决定
如果对手call, 假设我们bet 1000, 那么river pot size是4005, David's remaining stack size is 4000+
然后river 我们 oop将会面对 river value shove or river bluff
但是如果我们check, 对手bet,我们又要面对困难的决定，因为我们的stack size and being oop on the river
我觉得我会fold or c/r AI [s:158] 有点疯(less likely in this case since UTG has 2x our stack size) or call(less likely) depending on other factors
这是老插选择bet out的原因? 但是overall 面对较aggressive的opponent, 我觉得 the + of checking outweight bet out.
river: check and call most of the times if UTG bet less than pot disregard any history/game flow
如果对手是较straighforward而且 overcards/flush card comes 倾向fold
我们怎么打其实就是根据我们猜测对手会怎么打
现在就当我是UTG我会怎么打
flop:
基本上是会cbet的，可能就是500-550
对手call on paired board, most of the time it would be a call from pocket pair
slow play with 33 is possible, though trips likes 76, 86 is possible but that would be
a loose call from SB, and BU is a short stack calling with 76/86 with 20bb+ even in BU is not that good.
if my flop frequency is very high on the table, then they would probably call with 2 overs.
turn: 来个Ｔ其实是我较好的牌
主要是对手的flop call range, are mostly pocket pair 44,55,77-TT
since these hands would fold to a bet now, 我将会 second barrels plus we have a inside str draw and 2 overs
如果SB是一个紧手，那么barrel更是一定要的，因为他less likely to have a flush draw now, and if any face cards or flush being completed
我们会有很好的３barrels的机会，如果要set up 3 barrel shove on river, 那么turn bet size 就要大概2/3.
river: Qc 正是 3 barrel shove的机会
这也当然是刚好board给了我们很好的机会，但是从上面来看是UTG比较好打
因为我们可以semi-bluff, bluff, represent more with position, also value if we hit.
这些也是我比较喜欢我们这一手在sb pf raise的原因,因为觉得会让我们在SB有比较简单的决定
毕竟这一手我们让ＡＫ看玩桌上五张牌with cheap price, 他输了也很值得， 当然这一手对手不一定有ＡＫ，但是ＡＡ，KK 肯定value bet
但是对手with AK, AQ也有可能continue to bet depending on the boards and opponent, 就如这一手的board,我大多数会继续represent premium pairs agasint tight player. 所以我们很容易面对被value bet or 被 bluff out， most of the time we will end up folding.[/quote:3op2oppg]
这个帖子写的非常连惯，思路非常清晰。
个别地方我可能会多考虑一下，比如UTG在turn上继续bluff要压多少？如果对方c/r allin怎么办？对方可能是slow play big hand, 也可能是force to gamble, 也可能是desperate bluff. 至于third barrel，成功了你是英雄，失败了你是白痴 [s:167][/quote:3op2oppg]
哈！ 我看错board了，之前我说我们在turn有 2 overs+ inside str....那是在river的board [s:174]
钟点工说的对， 在这个river
third barrel不行 since now we can rep. flush only...with Q or AA/KK, which we rep. all the way, we will most likely to check behind, our shove can be read clearly by good player and make the call with most pocket pair if they choose to call our turn bet.
如果我们是UTG, after 我们的turn if SB c/r all-in 我会fold my AK (这也是我说如果我是SB 我可能会c/r all-in 的原因) 如果对手SB c/r all-in most of the time he will have better than our AK here. 如果SB是紧手最有可能的slow play只是３３， AA/KK要看SB之前的打法， most ppl will 3bet pf in SB with those hands.
我们在UTG multiple barrels是因为我们put SB majority range on small pocket pair 44-55, 77-99 |
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