实在想不明白，真的那么高吗？

看出来了谁不鸟durr.. 赫赫... 有意思...看来墙是真不知道durr 高在那里~~

P.S.  你可能会说我也不知道.. 这随你... 我今天不想吵架~~~

再说一句.. howard 的帖里  over bet 里其实是value 多于bluff. 而且很多都是thin value bet.  他over bet 的value 越thin, 说明他over bet 的range 越大, 你就越难bluff catch 他... think about it.  而thin value bet完全是靠读牌的能力.

for example, 下面这把牌. villian over bet river.  he is probably only representing KJ, Because i don't think he is capable of over betting for value here with 2 pair. And the rest are all bluffs busted flush draw, some sort of busted gut shot (it turned out that he did have a gut shot on the turn). He could also flat turn with 9 J then over bet. but it is just unlikely because the board is so drawy on the turn. If he does, it dose no make sense to over bet river for value after flat turn simply because I do not have strong hand here to call anyway.  Now if durr is sitting across the table with this hand and he over bets, it becomes a lot tougher call for me because he could over bet here with a wider range including two pair, sets, straight and some bluffs. This will be a much tougher call for me then.  The wider range you have for river value bet, the more likely you will get paid off and the tougher for your opponents to play against you.  非鱼牌手打牌, it is all about keeping your range wide.  

The funny thing is that he could have more hands that actually beats my hand in his range all of sudden, if this villian put in a 2/3 pot value bet instead of over bet.  This read is only vs a so so NL100 reg. Against a tougher opponents above this level, I probably can not think like this anymore.

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

CO: $118.90
BTN: $188.05
SB: $100.50
BB: $80.00
UTG: $161.60
UTG+1: $70.95
UTG+2: $24.20
Hero (MP1): $110.75
MP2: $110.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with K A
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 4 Q T (2 players)
Hero bets $4.20, BTN calls $4.20

Turn: ($15.90) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN calls $11

River: ($37.90) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $50, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $50

Final Pot: $137.90
BTN shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
Hero shows K A (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $134.90
(Rake: $3.00)

再说一句.. howard 的帖里  over bet 里其实是value 多于bluff. 而且很多都是thin value bet.  他over bet  ...
windstormm 发表于 2011-1-20 03:00

    这怎么还有一个小0.5-1的例

这个跟你说你是理解不上去的，因为你还无法脱离数学和概率
我虽然没打过这么大的但我坚信我的推测一定不会错的。我想城里可能只有老邱和老朱有经验来评价
我的推测是，durrr在打未来
如果这些录像不是托，都是真刀真枪的话，
什么叫打未来，这一把的输赢并不重要，重要的是你这把将给未来留下什么痕迹，你将如何利用这个痕迹。

恳请老邱老朱评级一下我的猜测

至于用概率和ev来评价或者指导durrr打牌

有点象一群外行看球的，指着马拉多纳说你看他踢球前腿绷后腿弓球踢得多远啊

我只是想解释一下range 的阅读和利用..
Season 6 HSP 有一集里有一个小细节 很有意思..
board is  5678 10,  something like that.  Daniel has 10 8.  Durr has a 4.  on the river when Durr bet, Daniel talked himself into a call. He said, you will value bet this river with 2 pair right?   Durr probably could depending on his read. He also did on a 4 card straight board and value bet Dennis Phillips with 2 pair not very long ago.  This show how wide his value range and how thin his value bet is. This in fact helps him to get paid off.  he could value bet 2 pair, he could bluff, he could have a straight.  That is why it is so tough to play vs durr.  有人可能说, 这种牌Daniel也能pay off?  "definitely not a time to pay off!!".. 我想说, 你***读懂了吗?  

回复 23# 伟大的墙
其实on-line NL100 有一堆durr want to be. little do they know that Durr's play style is based heavily on his read. Playing like Durr with a read is called genius.  Playing like durr without a read is called donkey.  墙你去NL100 online 打个半年, 我保证你对durr 有新的respect.

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

MP1: $39.00
MP2: $104.50
CO: $67.45
BTN: $350.20
SB: $46.50
Hero (BB): $101.50
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $123.20
UTG+2: $30.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J 9
6 folds, BTN raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 4 8 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($12.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero calls $8

River: ($28.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $40, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $40

Final Pot: $108.50
BTN shows 7 Q (King Queen high)
Hero shows J 9 (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Hero wins $105.50
(Rake: $3.00)

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

Hero (MP2): $109.20
CO: $47.00
BTN: $100.50
SB: $87.10
BB: $90.00
UTG: $89.45
UTG+1: $101.50
UTG+2: $100.00
MP1: $98.55

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with A K
3 folds, MP1 raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $11.50, 4 folds, MP1 calls $8

Flop: ($24.50) 7 9 9 (2 players)
MP1 bets $17, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($58.50) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $20, MP1 requests TIME, MP1 raises to $70.05 all in,
Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $50.05

River: ($198.60) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $198.60
Hero shows A K (a flush, Ace high)
MP1 shows 6 4 (two pair, Nines and Fours)
Hero wins $195.60
(Rake: $3.00)

回复  伟大的墙
其实on-line NL100 有一堆durr want to be. little do they know that Durr's play style  ...
windstormm 发表于 2011-1-20 04:17

    有个东西叫理念
想来你没听说过
哪天给你解释解释

你没有理念,  我有理念.. 谢谢...

什么叫打未来，这一把的输赢并不重要，重要的是你这把将给未来留下什么痕迹，你将如何利用这个痕迹。

伟大的墙 发表于 2011-1-20 03:49

    这个说法我觉得片面了。实际上这里“当下”与“未来”都是混在一起的，比如在Howard给的那一串例子里，#2，#3，#6都是对Phil Laak的，如果说#2是在“打未来”，那么#3就是可能在利用#2来“打当下”，同时也是在为了#6　“打未来”。（我不知道这些牌例发生的实际顺序，只是用#顺序方便表达）

你没有理念,  我有理念.. 谢谢...
windstormm 发表于 2011-1-20 04:49

    那你知道什么叫理念
你只知道如何打好甚至如何＂打对＂每一把牌，还把你的＂理念＂牌谱贴出来给大家看。

殊不知，你一贴牌谱,别人就知道你没有理念了
理念不是某把牌

你使劲浑身解数用牌谱告诉别人你没理念
然后有用苍白的语言呐喊你有理念

你的回帖, 我实在看不懂...

不和你争了..索然无味...