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411#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-12 18:05:18 | 只看该作者
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.9 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 136.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 127.1 BB (VPIP: 30.26, PFR: 22.37, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 76)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 234.2 BB (VPIP: 28.33, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J A

Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.6 BB, fold, BB calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (8.3 BB, 3 players)  T A Q
BB checks, Hero bets 3.3 BB, fold, BB calls 3.3 BB

Turn: (14.9 BB, 2 players)  8
BB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, BB raises to 26.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB

River: (67.9 BB, 2 players)  K
BB bets 94.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.6 BB and is all-in

BB shows  A 6  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows  J A  (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 194 BB
412#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-23 16:21:24 | 只看该作者
我一直觉得ssnl的主要盈利都是来自于鱼.
能打到多少鱼, 就能赚多少big EV.
我们最喜欢的鱼恐怕有两种:
1. 无脑call的.
2. 翻后over fold的.
413#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-23 16:29:46 | 只看该作者
其实我在live见过很多的玩家都是我所说的傻袍子.
傻狍子大致的类型就是:
翻前: limp-call居多, pfr少, 3bet=AK JJ+, 4bet=KK+. pfr 少到什么地步呢? 就是co limp KQo, btn open limp Axs, EP open limp KJs, ATs, 77 88.
所以对手一旦limp, 如果用常规的size的iso, 几乎是必须打到翻后的.

对手flat pre 2bet的范围比较宽, cold call3bet的range相对窄了一点, 基本上对子, suited board way, AQo+.
因为对手pfr比较紧, 所以对手fold to 3bet 极低.
414#
子敬 发表于 2018-8-30 14:47:47 | 只看该作者
好文,坚持了一年半,楼主加油!
415#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-9-23 22:34:01 | 只看该作者
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 76 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
SB: 155.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 101 BB
UTG: 171.5 BB (VPIP: 25.90, PFR: 11.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 140)
MP: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 17.47, PFR: 12.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 277)
CO: 295.8 BB (VPIP: 32.56, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J K

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players)  8 9 J
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 2.4 BB, SB calls 2.4 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB

Turn: (14.7 BB, 3 players)  2
SB checks, Hero bets 9.4 BB, CO calls 9.4 BB, SB raises to 30 BB, Hero calls 20.6 BB, fold

River: (84.1 BB, 2 players)  J
SB bets 70 BB, Hero calls 66.1 BB and is all-in

SB shows  A Q  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 64%, Flop 38%, Turn 39%)
Hero shows  J K  (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 36%, Flop 62%, Turn 61%)
Hero wins 206.6 BB
416#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-9-24 18:07:51 | 只看该作者
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 240.2 BB (VPIP: 16.18, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 70)
Hero (SB): 140.5 BB
BB: 164 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 33.87, PFR: 27.42, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 62)
MP: 122.4 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 98.7 BB (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A 3

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players)  6 2 A
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Turn: (51 BB, 2 players)  A
Hero checks, BTN bets 28.2 BB, Hero calls 28.2 BB

River: (107.4 BB, 2 players)  5
Hero checks, BTN bets 91 BB, fold

BTN wins 102.6 BB
417#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-9-30 22:39:36 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-9-30 23:14 编辑

vs Joseph. tour fish

1. stra, N个limpers, stra KQo £14, 被他EB limp-r, 应该是ez fold, 虽然他在上头,
2. stra, 他EP limp, co £11, Hero btn £35, ff 他4bet 120£ 4bet jam, co fold 我KK ez call, KK<K9s.

3. btn £4 J5cc steal, call call. flop QcTc4h. cbet 6£, fold 他btn call. turn 9c, xx, river 3h, 他£18, 我£57, 他£230 all in

如果是online这牌我想都不想一定丢了, 如果是vs regs, nits, 同样. 关键是这个B有没有足够的set 顺子会这么打.

call (230-57)/(230*2+24)=0.3574

1. 所以他可能river jam 所有的flush+.
2. 我turn x back, 他percive 我的range一定是弱的,  所以他或可能river jam 所有的flush+.
3. 对手flop 应该会xr很多 Ax Kx FD, 且对手Pre Ax Kx 3bet pre的频率低, 尤其A5cc- 应该都是只会call.
4. 我赢的FD确实不多
5. 对手应该不会jam set-, 所以bottm range=nuts straight.
6. 我有张Jd

数:
A-high flush=6
K-high flush=6
小flush=6 (因为我还有张5d)

vs 正常玩家绝对直接fold, 8 high flush 正常人怎么会3bet-jam.
加上顺子=12

假设对手 flop 强FD xr 50%, OESD xr 33%,
river prob range=AK high flush (6)+小flush (6)+ straight (8)
3bet jam=straight 33% (5.333)+小flush 33% (2)+AK high flush (6)
EV=-(230-57)*(6/13)+(230+57+24-5.5)*(7/13)=84 高EV高波动, 我丢了两次骰子, call了, 结果对面真的是顺子, 撒比.

假设对手只jam FD. flop 无xr, river xr无顺子。

EV=-(230-57)*(12/18)+(230+57+24-5.5)*(6/18)=-13.5 高波动-EV.
vs ABC
EV=-(230-57)*(12/14)+(230+57+24-5.5)*(2/14)=-104.6428571428571429
vs nit 100% 需要fold, 别说Jhigh,  K high我也丢了, Ahigh我还要考虑对手有没有那1个同花顺.

418#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-9-30 23:14:51 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-9-30 23:51 编辑

£1/1 casino game. most of the players have £200+ eff.
V1=BB (£250) tilting live tournament fish (just busted from the tournament), used to be a regular cash player (a losing player)
before this hand, straddle, V1 EP limp, MP limp, Co £11 open, Hero £36 3bet with KK, V1 limp 4bet-Jam K9s, Co fold, I call but V1 flopped the flush and KK no good.
V2=SB (£250) weakfish
Hero (£300)=regular, solid and aggressive
Preflop. fold to me. I open £4 with J♦️5♦️, BB SB call.
As I know V1 will not 3bet-resteal with the range like A5s A9s.
Flop=Q♦️T♦️6♥️, xx, hero c-bet £6. SB folds V1 call.
Turn=9♦️, xx (?)
River=3♥️, V1 bet £18 to £24, I raise £57, V1 3bet jam.
Hero?
I will snap fold or take bet turn bet river line vs an ABC/nit player and fold to any river aggression (0 bluffs there). VS a tilting fish I slow played 3rd nuts and got a tough decision.
Questions:
1. Turn decision? (size, frequency, range? which flush combo I should check? The normal line I will take is 1/2 size with a low frequency, occasionally only check back with nuts flush)
2. River calling frequency with Jhigh flush and K high flush in this spot. 10% 25%? or just fold all Jhigh flush as this is the bottom range? (in the game I choose to call 20% with Jd5d, I used the randomizer, call and win the pot, V1=KJ.
419#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-9-30 23:52:10 | 只看该作者
然后剥削了几手reg. 没了.
切忌over setmining 浪费钱
420#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-10-4 01:17:58 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-10-4 09:09 编辑

把打的一些傻逼手发出来警醒自己.
1. unstraddle Suu ep limp, weakfish open £7, Hero A5hh sb call.
flop=7h9h5c, x, suu lead £7 to £22, weakfish call, Hero x-r to 30, suu fold, weakfish 3bet jam 75bb, Hero call. final pot=75+7+75+22=179-5.5=173.5, odds=0.202, V=77+ EV call.
flop x-r 没有问题. suu这里没有3bet range 范围. 唯一值得说的就是翻前fold>一切>3bet/call. 没有3bet因为对手的sizing tell, 大概率得不到弃牌率, 翻后要打一个spr及其小的3bet pot, 不如fold.

2. straddle Suu ep limp, limp, weakfish limp, Hero A4dd £9, call call pot=31.
flop=Qd2d3c. flop c-bet £11, suu xr 32bb, f Hero call.
这里suu没有任何bluff的range, bottom range=AQ, 全部的22 33, 一部分的Q2sQ3s. 鉴于我的cbet size小一点, 不排除对手有全部的KQ. call for the turn,

pot=21/(32+32+31-5.5)=0.235, odds=28.4%, 也是可以call的.
outs=5*4, Jd-6d=10 outs. odds=10/47=0.212.

当然这个牌的也可以尝试推all in. 但是感觉的是对手的没有弃牌率的.

EV=0.457*(31+32+11+85+45-5.5)-(32+85+45-11)*(1-0.457)=8.7215
EV 为正但是波动为正198.5负151, 我自己觉得turn river 击中仍然可以的到支付不愿意和鱼翻硬币. 且这里即使call flop fold turn也不会被剥削.

turn=Qs, Suu bet 85bb to 95bb (剩余45BB), 这里上头call了, river miss fold.
如果suu这里的22 33 AQ KQ 全部使用这样的size的话, 其实我的胜率只有16.5%, 算上隐含, 85+45+95-5.5=36.2175, 超过这个size call肯定负EV了, 但是当时就纯是给想他买死. 郁闷.
3. 4 limpers, Hero sb raise 13bb, bb call 2 more call, pot=53 with K9s.
flop 963r, Hero cbet 30, sb 2bet jam 59, ff, Hero call, V=AA.

preflop是12 换 5, 0.706 的赔率.
乍看之下vs 3 limpers+sb 玩家不能实现的赔率. 但是实际上:
1. 被sb/EP limp 3bet:=1-(1-0.009)*(1-0.026)=0.035

SB 玩家(紧弱)的弃牌率=(1326-138)/1326=0.896, 需要另外3名玩家的弃牌率=0.7879=0.9236137013304578
1-0.9236137013304578=0.076=35.568
需要限制玩家的limp-call 范围在35.568 以内.
实际上, 玩家常见的limp range里面, 66-22, QJs JTs, KTs 达到了46个 (弱的玩家达到更高),  K9s vs 这个range 胜率达到49.9.
常规的, 玩家的limp-fold 频率约在(427-125)/(427)=0.70左右 抵抗频率在125个combos 左右.
K9s 这手牌, 打多人底池没问题的.

flop call 29/(59+59+53-5.5)=0.175.
V的range=QQ-TT时, Hero equity=22.9%.
V的range=AA-TT+set时, Hero equity=0.177, breakeven call.

当然这手让我直接tilt掉, 这个傻逼是我最烦的傻逼之一, 不为打牌只为恶心人, limp call 入池紧, 短码.
这手唯一可以说的是我在flop被call之后要么x, 要么cbet小一点fold掉. 但是cbet小一点又无法deny equity. 这就是开K9s被紧手call的一点尴尬之处就是: 你把自己隔离了.




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