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381#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 10:28:54 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-6 10:29 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.08 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 112.6 BB (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 149)
Hero (BB): 114.68 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
MP: 182 BB (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
CO: 50.6 BB (VPIP: 23.02, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 129)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, BTN raises to 120.08 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 99.68 BB and is all-in

Flop: (232.76 BB, 2 players)  Q 6 3

Turn: (232.76 BB, 2 players)  K

River: (232.76 BB, 2 players)  9

Hero shows  K K  (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 100%)
BTN shows  2 2  (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 224.76 BB

收回373楼的话 未知玩家 什么都干的出来 call的时候我也说你AA我也没辙的..
不过我用QQ 5bet 出去的对面都是AAKK接的
而且有一部分玩家的open size是3bb-4bb 我call下来一圈AK是最小的
382#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 10:43:31 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-6 11:20 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.72 BB (VPIP: 21.46, PFR: 16.59, 3Bet Preflop: 5.33, Hands: 209)
Hero (SB): 104.96 BB
BB: 200.16 BB (VPIP: 22.10, PFR: 14.84, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 473)
UTG: 272.28 BB (VPIP: 17.05, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 132)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 181.56 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 2.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 37)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10.48 BB, fold, MP calls 7.48 BB

Flop: (21.96 BB, 2 players)  7 Q 2
Hero bets 11.52 BB, MP calls 11.52 BB

Turn: (45 BB, 2 players)  K
Hero checks, MP bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (91 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero checks, MP bets 55 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 55 BB

MP shows  6 A  (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 31%, Flop 36%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows  A Q  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 64%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 193 BB

25% 胜率就可以call 这里对手一定会有一些miss flush 诈唬
Optimal Bluffing Frequency=25%

GTO的话对手应该是全部的77 22 78s KQs=10, 只能诈唬2.5个flush draw
如果对手能翻前flat AKo且把AKo打极化 这里最多只能诈唬4-5个.
然而就是对手能完美挑出这些combo么?

所有Kx hh应该不会这么极化.
JhTh, Jh9h, A3hh A4hh A5hh A6hh. 多了吧.
还有就是river 1/2 psb all in 实在太少了, 实践告诉我们这样的size还是以value为主弃牌率需要对手66%, 如果对手无draw range或者少量draw range, 那么river几乎不会给你这么多的弃牌率, 切莫诈唬多了, 实际上可能不诈唬可能是最剥削EV最高的方法, 这里对手大概率会over defend.

但是还是那句话, 有些人这里诈唬的概率在10%左右, 所以抓咋的过程还是:
这个人是reg 还是 rec=娱乐玩家?
reg=GTO
rec (弱)=剥削弃牌
rec (疯)=GTO

unknow=GTO 赌命模式.

还有就是环境 比如live 大约reg:rec+weak ABC=1:5甚至1:7, 所以剥削弃牌没问题.
NL25, 目前不了解, 但是感觉也是1:4-1:3 左右, 所以剥削弃牌可以忍受. 不会错太多.

唯一不能忍的是抽水, 201的pot直接抽8bb, 4%的抽水真的要命.

live的抽水已经很便宜了. 5%但是cap, 200BB抽5bb, 500BB也抽5bb, 这就是为什么live可以打的起深筹的原因

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 35 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 126.8 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.84, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 70)
UTG: 113.6 BB (VPIP: 16.70, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.73, Hands: 510)
MP: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 16.95, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 60)
Hero (CO): 117.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, BB raises to 100 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 78 BB

Flop: (200.5 BB, 2 players)  T 2 9

Turn: (200.5 BB, 2 players)  8

River: (200.5 BB, 2 players)  4

BB shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 50%, Flop 52%, Turn 60%)
Hero shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 50%, Flop 48%, Turn 40%)
BB wins 95.8 BB
Hero wins 95.7 BB


NL 10, 俩人AA 100BB推出去, 回来手里剩96bb, 在live 这样的chop chop是不抽水的.
所以live pot 100BB以内抽水比online 更贵, 但是pot超过100BB就便宜了, 这就是为什么live open size较大的原因之一 (几乎很少见3bb open作为常规open size的盈利reg) 当然rec几乎不会在乎.





383#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 11:23:33 | 只看该作者
当然最便宜的是圈的抽水模式, 水上3% 水上5%, 输了不抽, 简直天堂.
而且还有额外的奖励. 聚乐部牌型奖励, 反水等等. 线下也有反水, 相比PS就比较垃圾了.

佩服那些战斗在NL100+的战士们.
384#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 19:12:13 | 只看该作者
关于4bb的动态貌似是正确的

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119.32 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 153.56 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 26)
UTG: 99.96 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 132.8 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 118.16 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A A

fold, fold, CO raises to 4 BB, BTN raises to 13.4 BB, Hero calls 13 BB, fold, CO raises to 118.16 BB and is all-in, BTN raises to 119.32 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 86.6 BB and is all-in

Flop: (337.32 BB, 3 players)  Q 8 6

Turn: (337.32 BB, 3 players)  9

River: (337.32 BB, 3 players)  J

CO shows  K K  (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [301 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [36.32 BB]: (Pre 80%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)

BTN shows  4 4  (One Pair, Fours)

Main Pot [301 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [36.32 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)

Main Pot [301 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 81%, Turn 90%)

Hero wins 293 BB
CO wins 36.32 BB
385#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 21:44:19 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-6 21:46 编辑

对手只输一手J9ss都不极化, 我river也是tank了一段时间才call的 输很多 赢一手QT 和极少的miss flush.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 95.92 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 9.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.10, Hands: 705)
Hero (BB): 140.52 BB
UTG: 158.36 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 104.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 102.16 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  2 2

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players)  Q 5 2
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (6.4 BB, 2 players)  T
Hero bets 6 BB, UTG calls 6 BB

River: (18.4 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero bets 17 BB, UTG raises to 48 BB, Hero calls 31 BB

UTG shows  Q Q  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
Hero mucks  2 2  (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
UTG wins 109.24 BB
386#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 21:46:49 | 只看该作者
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 213.48 BB
SB: 117.72 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: 116.56 BB (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 41)
UTG: 71.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 198.68 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 52)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A T

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players)  9 K 4
UTG checks, Hero bets 3.76 BB, UTG calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (16.92 BB, 2 players)  2
UTG checks, Hero bets 11 BB, UTG calls 11 BB

River: (38.92 BB, 2 players)  K
UTG checks, Hero bets 74.32 BB, UTG calls 52.8 BB and is all-in

Hero shows  A T  (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 63%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
UTG shows  8 K  (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 37%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
UTG wins 138 BB

不要诈唬鱼!!!!
387#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 21:47:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-6 21:50 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101.72 BB
SB: 187.08 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 229.4 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 101)
UTG: 117.12 BB (VPIP: 11.70, PFR: 7.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 99)
MP: 142.48 BB (VPIP: 8.82, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 47)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, SB calls 1.92 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players)  9 Q A
SB checks, Hero bets 3.6 BB, SB calls 3.6 BB

Turn: (12.84 BB, 2 players)  8
SB checks, Hero bets 6.72 BB, SB calls 6.72 BB

River: (26.28 BB, 2 players)  Q
SB checks, Hero bets 33 BB, SB calls 33 BB

Hero shows  T J  (Straight Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 31%, Flop 50%, Turn 89%)
SB mucks  T K  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 69%, Flop 50%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 88.12 BB

实践证明所有对手对1 psb 1.5 psb都有一定防御能力 所以还是underbluff 比较好 不怕没人call

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 54.2 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
SB: 112.84 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
BB: 223.24 BB (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 61)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 200.64 BB (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 41)
CO: 103.72 BB (VPIP: 24.49, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 54)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q Q

Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players)  J 4 8
BB checks, Hero bets 2.92 BB, BB calls 2.92 BB

Turn: (11.44 BB, 2 players)  5
BB checks, Hero bets 9.6 BB, BB calls 9.6 BB

River: (30.64 BB, 2 players)  3
BB checks, Hero bets 25.76 BB, BB calls 25.76 BB

Hero shows  Q Q  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
BB mucks  9 9  (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 78.48 BB


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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 326.68 BB (VPIP: 38.36, PFR: 21.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 73)
SB: 102.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 178.44 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 39)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 30)
MP: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 45)
Hero (CO): 104.44 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6 6

fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB, BTN raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (25.4 BB, 3 players)  2 J J
MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (25.4 BB, 3 players)  7
MP bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, MP calls 17 BB

River: (75.4 BB, 2 players)  7
MP checks, Hero bets 33 BB, fold

Hero wins 72 BB


388#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 22:10:40 | 只看该作者
这个4bet size 好大

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 89.84 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 132.68 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 123.56 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 20)
CO: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 8.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.04, Hands: 714)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.48 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BB raises to 26.88 BB, fold, Hero calls 18.88 BB

Flop: (56.64 BB, 2 players)  Q 2 Q
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (56.64 BB, 2 players)  2
BB bets 39.48 BB, Hero calls 39.48 BB

River: (135.6 BB, 2 players)  6
BB checks, Hero bets 33.64 BB and is all-in, BB calls 33.64 BB

Hero shows  Q Q  (Four of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BB shows  A K  (Two Pair, Queens and Twos)
(Pre 43%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 194.88 BB
389#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-6 22:20:32 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-6 22:22 编辑

对手翻前慢 翻后慢 river 没value了 我turn如果反锤回去诈唬太少了 JJ 可以 55 还是call 当时觉得说不定人家是天顺 结果是set
set 三人池湿润不打 也是厉害

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.74, PFR: 13.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 97)
SB: 128.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 55.28 BB (VPIP: 26.37, PFR: 4.40, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 93)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.50, PFR: 10.83, 3Bet Preflop: 3.67, Hands: 4,445)
CO: 124.16 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.43, Hands: 85)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5 5

Hero raises to 2.6 BB, MP calls 2.6 BB, CO calls 2.6 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.2 BB, 3 players)  7 J 8
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: (9.2 BB, 3 players)  5
Hero bets 5.88 BB, MP raises to 18 BB, fold, Hero calls 12.12 BB

River: (45.2 BB, 2 players)  6
Hero checks, MP checks

Hero shows  5 5  (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 2%)
MP shows  J J  (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 98%)
MP wins 43.16 BB

390#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2018-7-7 01:42:13 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2018-7-7 01:43 编辑

这里几乎极少的AAKK, 几乎都是AQs AKs 89s 等.. 对手nb 发两次全跑赢

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 150.76 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 30)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.59, PFR: 7.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)
BB: 146.72 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
UTG: 243.76 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 161 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, SB calls 2.2 BB, BB raises to 15.24 BB, Hero calls 12.64 BB, fold

Flop: (33.08 BB, 2 players)  6 2 9
BB checks, Hero bets 17.36 BB, BB raises to 131.48 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (202.6 BB, 2 players)  5

River: (202.6 BB, 2 players)  K
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (202.6 BB, 2 players)  4

River #2: (202.6 BB, 2 players)  3

BB shows  8 7  (Straight, Nine High)
Board #1 (Pre 19%, Flop 46%, Turn 100%)
(Flush, Nine High)
Board #2 (Pre 20%, Flop 44%, Turn 83%)

Hero shows  T T  (One Pair, Tens)
Board #1 (Pre 81%, Flop 54%, Turn 0%)
(One Pair, Tens)
Board #2 (Pre 80%, Flop 56%, Turn 17%)

BB wins 97.32 BB
BB wins 97.28 BB
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