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321#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-20 19:01:14 | 只看该作者
等待12.4%其实比较枯燥. 再一个是翻后能不能打对也很重要.
最好打的对手就是非平衡对手. 最难打的就是平衡选手.
以后不越级思考了. 鱼就是鱼, 以后overpot jam就当之前的钱喂狗了, 没必要call.
最近犯了3个这样的错误. 都是给自己打崩了. call对了不增加士气, call 错误了老天都骂你蠢.

还有除此以外的牌需要打出break even+, 仍然可以投资.
322#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-22 16:24:23 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-22 17:02 编辑

网上一直有区分各个玩家类别的帖子, 我今天也说说.
我一直觉得最好打的玩家, 鱼中鱼的玩家, 是全真教.
全真教玩家是指当其出手(bet, raise, xr rasie, 2bet 3bet 4bet)时, 其出手的目的必然是(他自己认为)的bet for value, bet for semi bluff with strong draw, blocking or protect equity, 或者是for information.
也就是全真教玩家不会bluff, 及semi bluff with weak draw, float bluff, 2bet bluff, check-raise bluff及bet for thin value.
全真教玩家能盈利得前提是牌桌上有些calling station, 这些calling station会无脑得支付全真教玩家价值. 但是任何一个思考型的玩家, 都不该让全真教玩家榨取任何价值, 因为全真教玩家打的及其不平衡.
flop: x-r oop, 2bet cbet ip. 3bet, 4bet
Turn: x-r oop, 2bet cbet ip. 3bet

首先是flop.
全真教打的比较直接.
一般默认donk正常size都是TPMK+ (e.g. KT on K high board, A9 on A high board)
cbet 一般是TPGK+
xr 一般是2P+,

Flop=965, Hero cbet, V call.
Turn=8, Hero cbet, V x Jam. Hero ?

flop很湿润, 按照全真教玩家的性格, flop应该会快打强牌, 比如99 66 55, 87s, 87o. xc 一般都是听牌. 这里如果筹码浅 (60-70bb), 全真教玩家也会x-jam combo draw, 但是100BB+的有效, 再强的combo draw他们也不会选择check raise, 而会选择donk或者check call. Turn 8s, 卡8顺子击中, 后门黑桃听牌击中. Hero cbet, V check raise, 我们应该防御什么range?

一般来说对手x-jam是100% for value. A7dd-87dd. 75dd, 74dd共计8个combo. 其目的是为了for value+protect equity (防止被后门黑桃, 公对, 大顺suck out或者被发成chop chop).

这里对手不会x-r 99, 66, 55. flop牌面很很湿润, 在flop上直接就会快打. 如果他们惧怕天顺, 在turn上他们会惧怕更多的combo, 更会主动check-r for bluff.



323#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-25 22:58:59 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-25 23:20 编辑

记两手牌
04:00 pm, 史戴斯
Hero EP open ATo 5bb, 史戴斯EP+1 (刚tilt) 12bb 3bet, ffff, Hero call. 我不确定这里对手range是两极化的AAKKQQ, trash, 还是紧缩的 AQ KQ KJ AT A9 99 88. 这里ATo 肯定是防御低端range, 可以丢的. 当时想下call吧. flop T56r=Pot24bb, V c-bet 25bb pot.
Turn=Qr, Pot 74bb, V c-bet 35bb.
River=Ar, pot 144bb, Hero cbet 44bb, V jam 100bb. 昨天太困了, 这牌几乎已经套池了.  
river call 60/244

这里对手range比较紧缩了了:  JJ+, 56, AKo, AQo KQo JT JQ JK
这里对手没有的range: 100% 没有55 66 TT. 这个是一定的. 也没有T6 T5.
这里对手range 上限: 56s. 2组.
AA KK QQ JJ. AT.

semi bluff
4 outs: 79s 89s.
5 outs, A5, A6, 67. K5 K6 Q5 Q6
6 outs=AJo+, AKo+

8 outs=78s

Turn,
56s AAKKQQ,
4 outs=79s 89s.
5 outs=A5, A6, K5 K6 Q5 Q6
6 outs=AKo, AQ, KQ,
8 outs=78s

river A hero bet 44 V all in
AA QQ
56s AAKKQQ,
5 outs=A5, A6, Q5 Q6
6 outs=AKo, AQ,



324#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-25 23:30:48 | 只看该作者
还有7bb open, c c, Hero 32 QQ, Ian falt with KK c c pot=32*4=128
flop=TT8.  Hero cbet 多少?
42.24=33%
52=40%
57=44%

如果V flat range=59. c-range=KK(2) QQ-JJ, 88=13
(59-13)/59=0.7796610169491525^3=0.4739335569848912699

cbet 57, Ian call. Trun 2d. X, Ian bet 80, V 80/(80+57+57+128)=0.2484472049689441
设cbet QQ, turn x=18*0.2484472049689441=4.472

防御4个AA就可以. KK QQ 都可以xf.
325#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-26 16:26:45 | 只看该作者
今天太惨了..
AA vs Tc5d4dTh vs A9dd, pre 11bb, cccc. flop V1 donk, V2 r 52, Hero r 115. Turn V donk 125bb, 读对手非4455Tx, jam, V call. Pot=800bb. River 输.

A2 open 5bb, c, V1 3bet 17bb, call call. flop As9d2d. xx Hero V cbet 35bb, f, V1 call. Turn Ks. Hero cbet 55bb, V xr 125bb, Hero call. river 3s. V jam, Hero 300bb left. tank 许久fold. 对手KK.

第一手是纯BB. 第二手turn想想其实可以丢的. 当时在flop的计划是bet flop, bet turn rep flush draw. 不太喜欢turn (原本想blank bet 75bb, x river的)  对手xr我有怕马可流澌是在x-r with sxxx, 或者K9, call了在说. river对手all in 我直接炸了. 真是蠢啊.
326#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-28 20:16:10 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-28 22:50 编辑

Flop=Kc9d7c.
V check, Hero?
Pot=6+6+1+1=14
if Hero and V check down, wining=14-1.75=+12.25
if Hero c-bet, V x-fold, wining=14-2.25=+11.75
if Hero c-bet, V x-call, then check down, wining=9+14-2.75=+20.25

Hero 手牌1
=5s4s, equity VS V c-range=0.142 vs. 0.858, VS 0-range=0.0652
V o-range=322, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.0652-9*0.935)*(101/303)=+5.47 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.142=+1.74 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=3.73 BB

Hero 手牌2
=QsJs, equity VS V c-range=0.262 vs. 0.738, VS o-range=0.262
V o-range=306, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-119)/306)+(20.25*0.262-9*0.738)*(119/306)=+6.66 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.393=+4.81 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=1.85 BB

Hero 手牌3
=QsJs, equity VS V c-range=0.202 vs. 0.798, VS o-range=0.262
V o-range=298, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((298-120)/298)+(20.25*0.202-9*0.798)*(120/298)=+5.77 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.417=5.11 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=0.66 BB
Hero 手牌3.5
=6s6h, equity VS V c-range=0.187 vs. 0.813, VS 0-range=0.445


V o-range=322, V c-range=122

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((322-122)/322)+(20.25*0.187-9*0.813)*(122/322)=5.96 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.445=+5.45125 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=0.50875 BB


Hero 手牌4
=8s8h, equity VS V c-range=0.206 vs. 0.794, VS o-range=0.552
V o-range=313, V c-range=118
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.206-9*0.794)*(118/313)=+6.20 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.552=6.762 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=0.562 BB

Hero 手牌5
=KsTs, equity VS V c-range=0.519 vs. 0.481, VS o-range=0.737
V o-range=303, V c-range=101
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.519-9*0.481)*(101/303)=+9.893 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.737=9.02825 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=0.864 BB

=Ks8s, equity VS V c-range=0.466 vs. 0.534, VS o-range=0.713
V o-range=306, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-102)/306)+(20.25*0.466-9*0.534)*(102/306)=+9.377
EV (check)=12.25*0.713=8.73425 BB
这里c-be>x, EV 差距=0.64275 BB

Hero 手牌6
=KsQs, equity VS V c-range=0.519 vs. 0.481, VS o-range=0.759
V o-range=301, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((301-102)/301)+(20.25*0.611-9*0.389)*(102/301)=+10.77 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.759=9.29775 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.47225 BB

Hero 手牌7
=KsQs, equity VS V c-range=0.568 vs. 0.432, VS o-range=0.751
V o-range=303, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-102)/301)+(20.25*0.568-9*0.432)*(102/303)=+10.4 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.751=9.19975 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.20025 BB

Hero 手牌8
=9s9h, equity VS V c-range=0.568 vs. 0.432, VS o-range=0.902
V o-range=331, V c-range=99
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-99)/331)+(20.25*0.86-9*0.14)*(99/331)=+13.7 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.902=11.0495 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=2.6505 BB

Hero 手牌9
=Ks9, equity VS V c-range=0.735 vs. 0.265, VS o-range=0.835
V o-range=305, V c-range=92
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((305-92)/305)+(20.25*0.735-9*0.265)*(92/305)=+11.98 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.835=10.23 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.74 BB


=Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.537 vs. 0.463, VS o-range=0.61

V o-range=313, V c-range=114

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-114)/313)+(20.25*0.538-9*0.462)*(114/313)=+9.92 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.61=7.4725 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.92-7.4725=2.4475 BB




=8s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.504 vs. 0.496, VS o-range=0.594

V o-range=317, V c-range=115

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((317-115)/317)+(20.25*0.504-9*0.496)*(115/317)=+9.57 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.594=7.2765 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.57-7.2765=2.2935 BB


327#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-29 10:00:50 | 只看该作者
=Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.537 vs. 0.463, VS o-range=0.61
V o-range=313, V c-range=114
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-114)/313)+(20.25*0.538-9*0.462)*(114/313)=+9.92 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.61=7.4725 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.92-7.4725=2.4475 BB

=8s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.504 vs. 0.496, VS o-range=0.594
V o-range=317, V c-range=115
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((317-115)/317)+(20.25*0.504-9*0.496)*(115/317)=+9.57 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.594=7.2765 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.57-7.2765=2.2935 BB
328#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-29 12:20:08 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-29 17:39 编辑

=2s2h, equity VS V c-range=0.157 vs. 0.858, VS 0-range=0.0652
V o-range=322, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.0652-9*0.935)*(101/303)=+5.47 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.142=+1.74 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=3.73 BB

=4s4h, equity VS V c-range=0.161 vs. 0.839, VS o-range=0.384
V o-range=323, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((323-124)/323)+(20.25*0.161-9*0.839)*(124/323)=+5.592 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.384=4.704 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.592-4.704=0.888 BB
3s3h, EV 差距=5.596 (cb) -4.4835 (x)=1.1125 BB

=As7s, equity VS V c-range=0.258 vs. 0742, VS o-range=0.554
V o-range=303, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-119)/303)+(20.25*0.258-9*0.742)*(119/303)=6.56446 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.554=6.7865 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.56446-6.7865 BB=-0.22204 BB



=7s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.251 vs. 0.749, VS o-range=0.515
V o-range=313, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-120)/313)+(20.25*0.251-9*0.749)*(120/313)=6.61 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.515=6.30875 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.61-6.30875 BB=0.30125 BB


=9s8s, equity VS V c-range=0.278 vs. 0.722, VS o-range=0.605
V o-range=312, V c-range=109
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.278-9*0.722)*(118/313)=6.99 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.605=7.41125 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.99-7.41125 BB=-0.42125 BB

=As9s, equity VS V c-range=0.34 vs. 0.66, VS o-range=0.629
V o-range=302, V c-range=110

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((302-110)/313)+(20.25*0.34-9*0.66)*(110/302)=7.552 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.629=7.71 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=7552-7.71 BB=-0.158 BB


=QsQh, equity VS V c-range=0.337 vs. 0.663, VS o-range=0.636
V o-range=304, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((304-120)/304)+(20.25*0.3371-9*0.663)*(120/304)=7.451BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.636=7.791 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=7.451-7.791=-0.34

=8s6s, Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.325 vs. 0.675, VS o-range=0.409
V o-range=340, V c-range=126
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((340-126)/340)+(20.25*0.325-9*0.675)*(126/340)=7.583 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.409=5.01025 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=7.583-5.01025=2.57275


=As2s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.29
V o-range=331, V c-range=122
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-122)/331)+(20.25*0.153-9*0.847)*(122/311)=+5.644 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.29=3.553 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.644-3.553=2.091 BB


=As2s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.29
V o-range=331, V c-range=122
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-122)/331)+(20.25*0.153-9*0.847)*(122/311)=+5.644 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.29=3.553 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.644-3.553=2.091 BB


=QJo, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.392
V o-range=306, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-119)/306)+(20.25*0.261-9*0.739)*(119/306)=6.6494 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.392=4.802 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=6.6494-4.802=1.8474 BB


=Qs8s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.255
V o-range=309, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((309-119)/309)+(20.25*0.139-9*0.861)*(119/309)=5.32 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.255=3.12375 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.3246739482200647-3.12375=2.2009239482200647 BB

=8s7s, equity VS V c-range=0.260 vs. 0.740, VS o-range=0.538
V o-range=313, V c-range=118
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.201-9*0.799)*(118/313)=+6.14
EV (check)=12.25*0.538=6.5905 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=6.14-6.5905=-0.4505 BB















329#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-30 20:00:19 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-31 00:19 编辑

AK open, call call call call.
V=2P+=15/333=0.045
Hero ahead=0.79
Flop 击中one pair的概率=0.286
VS 4 player=0.79*0.286=0.22594
6bb open, call 4=31bb, cbet 22bb, Pot=53bb, -rake=49.5
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(31-6-3.5)*(0.794)=17.071
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-22)*(1-0.794)=-4.944

(-6*(1-0.286))+(17.071-4.944)*(0.286)=-1.05
(-6*(1-0.286))+((31-6-3.5)*(0.794)+(-6-x)*(1-0.794))*0.286=0
X=4.1552379659175776
c-bet size-18bb, EV=-0.815678

既这种模式下hit or fold 全真教-EV.
VS 3 player=
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(25-6-2.25)*(0.843)=14.12025
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-15)*(1-0.843)=-3.297
(-6*(1-0.286))+(14.12025-3.297)*(0.286)=-1.1885505

VS 2 player=
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(19-6-2.5)*(0.893)=9.3765
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-13)*(1-0.893)=-2.033
(-6*(1-0.286))+(9.3765-2.033)*(0.286)=-2.183759




330#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-31 00:21:09 | 只看该作者
这种模式下, 需要对手犯错. 比如AQ value KQ, QJ, QT, Q9, Q8.  
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