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321#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-26 16:26:45 | 只看该作者
今天太惨了..
AA vs Tc5d4dTh vs A9dd, pre 11bb, cccc. flop V1 donk, V2 r 52, Hero r 115. Turn V donk 125bb, 读对手非4455Tx, jam, V call. Pot=800bb. River 输.

A2 open 5bb, c, V1 3bet 17bb, call call. flop As9d2d. xx Hero V cbet 35bb, f, V1 call. Turn Ks. Hero cbet 55bb, V xr 125bb, Hero call. river 3s. V jam, Hero 300bb left. tank 许久fold. 对手KK.

第一手是纯BB. 第二手turn想想其实可以丢的. 当时在flop的计划是bet flop, bet turn rep flush draw. 不太喜欢turn (原本想blank bet 75bb, x river的)  对手xr我有怕马可流澌是在x-r with sxxx, 或者K9, call了在说. river对手all in 我直接炸了. 真是蠢啊.
322#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-28 20:16:10 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-28 22:50 编辑

Flop=Kc9d7c.
V check, Hero?
Pot=6+6+1+1=14
if Hero and V check down, wining=14-1.75=+12.25
if Hero c-bet, V x-fold, wining=14-2.25=+11.75
if Hero c-bet, V x-call, then check down, wining=9+14-2.75=+20.25

Hero 手牌1
=5s4s, equity VS V c-range=0.142 vs. 0.858, VS 0-range=0.0652
V o-range=322, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.0652-9*0.935)*(101/303)=+5.47 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.142=+1.74 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=3.73 BB

Hero 手牌2
=QsJs, equity VS V c-range=0.262 vs. 0.738, VS o-range=0.262
V o-range=306, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-119)/306)+(20.25*0.262-9*0.738)*(119/306)=+6.66 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.393=+4.81 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=1.85 BB

Hero 手牌3
=QsJs, equity VS V c-range=0.202 vs. 0.798, VS o-range=0.262
V o-range=298, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((298-120)/298)+(20.25*0.202-9*0.798)*(120/298)=+5.77 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.417=5.11 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=0.66 BB
Hero 手牌3.5
=6s6h, equity VS V c-range=0.187 vs. 0.813, VS 0-range=0.445


V o-range=322, V c-range=122

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((322-122)/322)+(20.25*0.187-9*0.813)*(122/322)=5.96 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.445=+5.45125 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=0.50875 BB


Hero 手牌4
=8s8h, equity VS V c-range=0.206 vs. 0.794, VS o-range=0.552
V o-range=313, V c-range=118
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.206-9*0.794)*(118/313)=+6.20 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.552=6.762 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=0.562 BB

Hero 手牌5
=KsTs, equity VS V c-range=0.519 vs. 0.481, VS o-range=0.737
V o-range=303, V c-range=101
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.519-9*0.481)*(101/303)=+9.893 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.737=9.02825 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=0.864 BB

=Ks8s, equity VS V c-range=0.466 vs. 0.534, VS o-range=0.713
V o-range=306, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-102)/306)+(20.25*0.466-9*0.534)*(102/306)=+9.377
EV (check)=12.25*0.713=8.73425 BB
这里c-be>x, EV 差距=0.64275 BB

Hero 手牌6
=KsQs, equity VS V c-range=0.519 vs. 0.481, VS o-range=0.759
V o-range=301, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((301-102)/301)+(20.25*0.611-9*0.389)*(102/301)=+10.77 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.759=9.29775 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.47225 BB

Hero 手牌7
=KsQs, equity VS V c-range=0.568 vs. 0.432, VS o-range=0.751
V o-range=303, V c-range=102
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-102)/301)+(20.25*0.568-9*0.432)*(102/303)=+10.4 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.751=9.19975 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.20025 BB

Hero 手牌8
=9s9h, equity VS V c-range=0.568 vs. 0.432, VS o-range=0.902
V o-range=331, V c-range=99
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-99)/331)+(20.25*0.86-9*0.14)*(99/331)=+13.7 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.902=11.0495 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=2.6505 BB

Hero 手牌9
=Ks9, equity VS V c-range=0.735 vs. 0.265, VS o-range=0.835
V o-range=305, V c-range=92
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((305-92)/305)+(20.25*0.735-9*0.265)*(92/305)=+11.98 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.835=10.23 BB
这里c-be<x, EV 差距=1.74 BB


=Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.537 vs. 0.463, VS o-range=0.61

V o-range=313, V c-range=114

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-114)/313)+(20.25*0.538-9*0.462)*(114/313)=+9.92 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.61=7.4725 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.92-7.4725=2.4475 BB




=8s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.504 vs. 0.496, VS o-range=0.594

V o-range=317, V c-range=115

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((317-115)/317)+(20.25*0.504-9*0.496)*(115/317)=+9.57 BB

EV (check)=12.25*0.594=7.2765 BB

这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.57-7.2765=2.2935 BB


323#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-29 10:00:50 | 只看该作者
=Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.537 vs. 0.463, VS o-range=0.61
V o-range=313, V c-range=114
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-114)/313)+(20.25*0.538-9*0.462)*(114/313)=+9.92 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.61=7.4725 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.92-7.4725=2.4475 BB

=8s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.504 vs. 0.496, VS o-range=0.594
V o-range=317, V c-range=115
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((317-115)/317)+(20.25*0.504-9*0.496)*(115/317)=+9.57 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.594=7.2765 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=9.57-7.2765=2.2935 BB
324#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-29 12:20:08 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-29 17:39 编辑

=2s2h, equity VS V c-range=0.157 vs. 0.858, VS 0-range=0.0652
V o-range=322, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-101)/303)+(20.25*0.0652-9*0.935)*(101/303)=+5.47 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.142=+1.74 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=3.73 BB

=4s4h, equity VS V c-range=0.161 vs. 0.839, VS o-range=0.384
V o-range=323, V c-range=124
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((323-124)/323)+(20.25*0.161-9*0.839)*(124/323)=+5.592 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.384=4.704 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.592-4.704=0.888 BB
3s3h, EV 差距=5.596 (cb) -4.4835 (x)=1.1125 BB

=As7s, equity VS V c-range=0.258 vs. 0742, VS o-range=0.554
V o-range=303, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((303-119)/303)+(20.25*0.258-9*0.742)*(119/303)=6.56446 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.554=6.7865 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.56446-6.7865 BB=-0.22204 BB



=7s6s, equity VS V c-range=0.251 vs. 0.749, VS o-range=0.515
V o-range=313, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-120)/313)+(20.25*0.251-9*0.749)*(120/313)=6.61 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.515=6.30875 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.61-6.30875 BB=0.30125 BB


=9s8s, equity VS V c-range=0.278 vs. 0.722, VS o-range=0.605
V o-range=312, V c-range=109
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.278-9*0.722)*(118/313)=6.99 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.605=7.41125 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=6.99-7.41125 BB=-0.42125 BB

=As9s, equity VS V c-range=0.34 vs. 0.66, VS o-range=0.629
V o-range=302, V c-range=110

EV (c-bet)=11.75*((302-110)/313)+(20.25*0.34-9*0.66)*(110/302)=7.552 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.629=7.71 BB
这里c-bet<x, EV 差距=7552-7.71 BB=-0.158 BB


=QsQh, equity VS V c-range=0.337 vs. 0.663, VS o-range=0.636
V o-range=304, V c-range=120
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((304-120)/304)+(20.25*0.3371-9*0.663)*(120/304)=7.451BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.636=7.791 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=7.451-7.791=-0.34

=8s6s, Ts8s, equity VS V c-range=0.325 vs. 0.675, VS o-range=0.409
V o-range=340, V c-range=126
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((340-126)/340)+(20.25*0.325-9*0.675)*(126/340)=7.583 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.409=5.01025 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=7.583-5.01025=2.57275


=As2s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.29
V o-range=331, V c-range=122
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-122)/331)+(20.25*0.153-9*0.847)*(122/311)=+5.644 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.29=3.553 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.644-3.553=2.091 BB


=As2s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.29
V o-range=331, V c-range=122
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((331-122)/331)+(20.25*0.153-9*0.847)*(122/311)=+5.644 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.29=3.553 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.644-3.553=2.091 BB


=QJo, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.392
V o-range=306, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((306-119)/306)+(20.25*0.261-9*0.739)*(119/306)=6.6494 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.392=4.802 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=6.6494-4.802=1.8474 BB


=Qs8s, equity VS V c-range=0.153 vs. 0.847, VS o-range=0.255
V o-range=309, V c-range=119
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((309-119)/309)+(20.25*0.139-9*0.861)*(119/309)=5.32 BB
EV (check)=12.25*0.255=3.12375 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=5.3246739482200647-3.12375=2.2009239482200647 BB

=8s7s, equity VS V c-range=0.260 vs. 0.740, VS o-range=0.538
V o-range=313, V c-range=118
EV (c-bet)=11.75*((313-118)/313)+(20.25*0.201-9*0.799)*(118/313)=+6.14
EV (check)=12.25*0.538=6.5905 BB
这里c-bet>x, EV 差距=6.14-6.5905=-0.4505 BB















325#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-30 20:00:19 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-8-31 00:19 编辑

AK open, call call call call.
V=2P+=15/333=0.045
Hero ahead=0.79
Flop 击中one pair的概率=0.286
VS 4 player=0.79*0.286=0.22594
6bb open, call 4=31bb, cbet 22bb, Pot=53bb, -rake=49.5
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(31-6-3.5)*(0.794)=17.071
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-22)*(1-0.794)=-4.944

(-6*(1-0.286))+(17.071-4.944)*(0.286)=-1.05
(-6*(1-0.286))+((31-6-3.5)*(0.794)+(-6-x)*(1-0.794))*0.286=0
X=4.1552379659175776
c-bet size-18bb, EV=-0.815678

既这种模式下hit or fold 全真教-EV.
VS 3 player=
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(25-6-2.25)*(0.843)=14.12025
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-15)*(1-0.843)=-3.297
(-6*(1-0.286))+(14.12025-3.297)*(0.286)=-1.1885505

VS 2 player=
情况1: Hero open miss=-6*(1-0.286)=-4.284
情况2: Hero open, Hero ahead, every one fold=(19-6-2.5)*(0.893)=9.3765
情况3: Hero open, Hero behind, and stop paying off=(-6-13)*(1-0.893)=-2.033
(-6*(1-0.286))+(9.3765-2.033)*(0.286)=-2.183759




326#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-8-31 00:21:09 | 只看该作者
这种模式下, 需要对手犯错. 比如AQ value KQ, QJ, QT, Q9, Q8.  
327#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-9-3 22:18:17 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-9-3 23:03 编辑

A pot size raise is a bet/raise that gives your opponent 2:1 pot odds (at best).
3 * size of opponent's bet/raise + size of pot before your opponent's bet/raise was made:

1/1, 以对手5bb open (无caller, limpers), 为例子: 5*3+2=17
验证: 12/(17+17+2)=0.3333333333333333
2bet size (open, iso)
open size=4bb. (4-1)/(4+4+1)=0.3333333333333333iso 1 limper=(x-1)/(x*2+2)=1/3, x=5
iso 2 limper=(x-1)/(x*2+2+1)=1/3, x=6
iso 3 limper=(x-1)/(x*2+2+2)=1/3, x=7
iso 4 limper=(x-1)/(x*2+2+3)=1/3, x=8 (就是4bb+1bb*x limpers)

straddle open size=(x-2)/(x*2+2)=8
验证: 6/(8+8+2)=0.3333333333333333 (以前标准是6-7, 看来确实少)
straddle iso 1 limper=(x-2)/(x*2+4)=1/3, x=10

straddle iso 2 limperr=(x-2)/(x*2+6)=1/3, x=12
straddle iso 3 limperr=(x-2)/(x*2+8)=1/3, x=14 (就是8bb+2bb*x limpers)

3bet size
4bb open=(x-4)/(x*2+2)=1/3, x=14 (V open size*3+2bb)
7bb open=(x-7)/(x*2+2)=1/3, x=23

sqz size=xbb open size*3+y caller+2 (133bb有效, 视26.6664=4bet, 接近20%有效, 原则上不能>33+的size, 否则套池)
4bb, 2 caller=22bb
5bb, 2 caller=27bb
5bb, 4 caller=37bb (需要约185有效)
6bb, 2 caller=32bb (接近套池)
6bb, 3 caller=38bb (需要约185有效)
7bb, 2 caller=37bb (需要约185有效)

4bet size
10bb open=(x-10)/(x*2+2)=1/3.5, x=24.66
验证: (24.66-10)/(24.66*2+2)=0.285 我们给对手的赔率极低, 所以我们需要压制对手N多equity, 一般来说只有KK+在flop能做到.
10bb open+1 caller=(x-10)/(x*2+10+2)=1/3.5, x=31.333
大约等于xbb open size*(2.5+x limper 数量)
4bet 一般目的是要求形成一个spr 2:1的pot, 既打出自己20%-25%的有效. 如果牌力够强则是价值, 牌力不够则视为咋呼.

pot size raise:
pot=25, V bet 15,
如果给V赔率=1/4, size=(x-15)/(x*2+25)=1/4, x=42. yz=(42-15)/(42*2+25)=0.2477064220183486
如果给V赔率=1/3.5, size=(x-15)/(x*2+25)=1/3.5, x=51.66. yz=(52-15)/(52*2+25)=0.28682
如果给V赔率=1/3, size=(x-15)/(x*2+25)=1/3, x=70. yz=(70-15)/(70*2+25)=0.3333333333333333 (pot size raise 实在太凶残了)

1/(2+1+1)=0.25
2/(3+2+2)=0.2857142857142857 (1/3.5)
3/(3+3+3)=0.3333333333333333
328#
JCreeks11 发表于 2017-9-10 03:19:12 | 只看该作者
恕我直言,楼主一些很基本的东西,比如什么时候应该cbet、AK应不应该preflop 3bet、raise 1pot意味着什么,这些很基本的东西都没搞清楚的时候,就能不断盈利。也是挺厉害的。
329#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-9-11 00:18:27 | 只看该作者
JCreeks11 发表于 2017-9-10 03:19
恕我直言,楼主一些很基本的东西,比如什么时候应该cbet、AK应不应该preflop 3bet、raise 1pot意味着什么, ...

什么时候应该cbet、AK应不应该preflop 3bet, 我觉得真的一点都不基本.
330#
 楼主| 三脚架 发表于 2017-9-11 00:25:29 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 三脚架 于 2017-9-11 00:36 编辑

不知道怎么算多人底池的MDR.
V1 open, V2 4x 3bet, Hero call, V1 call.Flop=K89r. Hero=AK.
Pot=60bb.
V jam 175. V2 fold.
Hero?
MDR=1-175/(175+60)=0.2553191489361702
Hero need equity=175/(175*2+60-5)=0.4320987654320988


设Hero=77-QQ, ATs, KQs, AKo. 共66, MDR=16.8510638297872332=17.
AK+, 9988=18. AK需要防御.
设V open-call. Donk jam=88.99. K9s, K8s. 89s. 89o*33. AK, KQ, KJ. Hero=54.9
这里需要对手100% jam KJo+才能call.
设V open-call. Donk jam=88.99. K9s, K8s. 89s. 89o*33. AK, KQ, KJ.
设88, 99=2. K9s, K8s=2. 98s, 98o*50%, KJs+, KQ+, Hero=52.7
without KQ, Hero=50. without KQo, with KJs, KTs, Hero=45.8
非常薄.
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