请教ED的一篇文章What To Do When They Won’t Fold

回复 40# windstormm


    祷告上苍，千万别把这变英语课堂啊

挺简单点事，怎么听着象一生二二生三三生万物那么复杂啊

回复  RichZhu
rich 老师,这是你E文差还是我E文差?  没说AJ 88 不打... Ed 是说over play it vs fish... s ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-9-12 05:15

我觉得这已经不是英文的问题了，是最简单的逻辑与理解力的问题。即便不懂英文的看到你这些都会觉得奇怪。人家文章写得那么清晰，却被你歪曲成这样，我真是无语了。

我们别扯太多了，一个一个最简单的问题来。

作者这篇文章的基本点是谈论松紧的问题还是凶弱的问题？

你先回答我这个问题。

（咱们只是简化问题，千万别提什么“松紧”和“凶弱”是相关联的。）

回复 42# RichZhu

要松, 但要松到还是对鱼的range 有edge的地步.. 同时要打得凶, 利用牌有利的情况下play big pot... 个人觉得这是有联系的...

乍一看标题，吓我一跳，以为智游城新开了一个版块。
青萍之末 发表于 2010-9-10 22:59

    要不我们就开个板块叫“专打Q9”得了。

我发现我最近打牌看见Q9s比看见AA都激动，都是被这些人害的……

回复  RichZhu

要松, 但要松到还是对鱼的range 有edge的地步.. 同时要打得凶, 利用牌有利的情况下play bi ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-9-12 05:42

好，至少我们同意这篇作者说的是要松。但是你说“Ed Miller 的文章是说, 你不用等AA KK QQ 去抓鱼  AJ 88+ 就够了”，是不是跟ed miller “要打松”这个基本点是相反的？

回复 45# RichZhu
Rich, i don't know what you are trying to say.  不过我觉得不向反...我们来看看原文...

"I’m not suggesting that you go crazy, but you have to be willing to put some money at risk. Guys who don’t fold create lots of big pots, and if things don’t go your way, you could lose a few of them in a row. You should be OK with that possibility. If you’re not, you will struggle to be the winner in no-limit hold’em that you could be. Having said that, I have two specific tips for handling the guy who never folds."
"if you stick to hands like A-J and 8-8 or better, you will easily win more than half the time just by the relative strength of your hand over his."

那里是批判打AJ 88+的?

回复 46# windstormm


    我的理解啊，打AJ，88+肯定是没错的，ED也没批判，对这个你们两个也没分歧。

我理解的你们两个的分歧是在于：

Rich认为AJ,88+　是loosen-up前就该打的牌；如果loosen-up，应该比这还松，比如要打Q9；

而风暴认为玩AJ,88+已经是loosen-up的结果；再松就不合适了;

不知道是不是这样

回复  RichZhu
Rich, i don't know what you are trying to say.  不过我觉得不向反...我们来看看原文...

那里是批判打AJ 88+的?
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windstormm 发表于 2010-9-12 05:55

没有人批判打AJ 88+了，是批评“只打AJ 88+”，这是一个简单逻辑。

作者是在说要扩大起手牌的范围。在这个范围里有特定的一个范围的牌（AJ，88+）特别适合翻牌前加大注与对手单挑。作者并不是说只打这些牌。恰恰相反，只打这些牌的人恰恰就是文章一开始作者说的那一类，打得太紧，错失太多机会。

I think one of the problem people have is that because these people never fold their hand, and when you have position with AJ alike, you are unwilling to put in a big raise, because they are afraid of being drawn out and lose their preflop investment, but the fact is your are ahead of their range, you should commit as much as possible when you are ahead and hope to clear them with a hand that is normally unfit to play big pot.   the key of course is "ahead of their range".  

Am I understanding this correctly?  so ed is suggesting to turning us from a weak tight player to a loose aggressive player vs these people will limp call with weak hands...

回复 49# windstormm


    我看见好几次了，叫做 ahead range，这到底想说什么？
这个真那么重要吗？那能四两拨千斤以弱胜强的牌类似小对子之类的，在range落后后，就不能玩了吗？

是不那样我们遇到维克多那样的选手，只能用比AA更好的起手牌去应对了。