鱼的迷茫

鱼的迷茫
2009-7-2



我发现自己真的不能控制自己，对扑克感觉迷茫，自己真的不会玩牌了，一下是我今天遇到的牌局，望高手指教！




QQ-1；下家经常反加3BET，我对他有点愤怒，所以没考虑上家就ALLIN，真愚蠢。
PokerStars Game #29990702653:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 4:21:15 CCT [2009/07/01 16:21:15 ET]
Table \'Lina II\' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Rodogor ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tigergambler ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 4: 0532gszy ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Vlorg ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Florino ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 7: c.spider11 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 8: baobao520 ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: JamalJigga ($13.75 in chips)
Florino: posts small blind $0.10
c.spider11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qh]
baobao520: folds
JamalJigga: folds
Rodogor: folds
tigergambler: raises $0.50 to $0.75
0532gszy: calls $0.75
Vlorg: folds
Tuwei168 leaves the table
Florino: calls $0.65
c.spider11: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c 8h]
Florino: checks
tigergambler: checks
Daywalker VI joins the table at seat #1
0532gszy: bets $1
Florino: raises $2 to $3
tigergambler: calls $3
0532gszy: raises $22.60 to $25.60 and is all-in
Florino: folds
tigergambler: calls $22.60
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 8h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 8h 6s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tigergambler: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
tigergambler collected $53.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $56.70 | Rake $2.80
Board [2s 3c 8h 6s Ks]
Seat 2: Rodogor folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 3: tigergambler showed [2d 2c] and won ($53.90) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: 0532gszy mucked [Qd Qh]
Seat 5: Vlorg (button) folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 6: Florino (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: c.spider11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: baobao520 folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 9: JamalJigga folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)

QQ-2；我太太拉着我没有ALLIN，我盘牌前就想ALLIN.
PokerStars Game #29977532093:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/01 20:54:54 CCT [2009/07/01 8:54:54 ET]
Table \'Beltrovata\' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nzezied ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 ($25.90 in chips)
Seat 3: konsi7777 ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 ($52.40 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Hannusque ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: budzior ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 9: waver11 ($4.55 in chips)
nzezied: posts small blind $0.10
Tulsy_Tsan99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qc]
konsi7777: calls $0.25
Dr.Hibbert55: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Hannusque: folds
budzior: folds
BreweRonnie: raises $3.50 to $5
waver11: folds
nzezied: folds
Tulsy_Tsan99: folds
konsi7777: folds
0532gszy: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 9d]
0532gszy: checks
BreweRonnie: bets $4.75
waver11 is sitting out
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.75) returned to BreweRonnie
BreweRonnie collected $10.10 from pot
BreweRonnie: doesn\'t show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [8h 9h 9d]
Seat 1: nzezied (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: konsi7777 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hannusque folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 7: budzior folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie collected ($10.10)
Seat 9: waver11 (button) folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)


Aks;我最近AK,AQ输惨了，看到AK,AQ就怕。
PokerStars Game #29989736719:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 3:57:04 CCT [2009/07/01 15:57:04 ET]
Table \'Garlena II\' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hardcore ny ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: gilka12 ($18.45 in chips)
Seat 3: ggu_master ($16.10 in chips)
Seat 4: innka23 ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Gaseri ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 6: 0532gszy ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 7: BassT09 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 8: fritzthetige ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 9: BKKiMP ($11.90 in chips)
ggu_master: posts small blind $0.10
innka23: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Ad Kd]
Gaseri: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.25
BassT09: folds
fritzthetige: folds
BKKiMP: folds
hardcore ny: folds
gilka12: calls $0.25
ggu_master: raises $0.75 to $1
innka23: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.75
gilka12: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Td 8c 9d]
ggu_master: bets $2.25
0532gszy: calls $2.25
gilka12: folds
*** TURN *** [Td 8c 9d] [Tc]
ggu_master: bets $1.75
0532gszy: calls $1.75
*** RIVER *** [Td 8c 9d Tc] [7h]
ggu_master: bets $2.50
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.50) returned to ggu_master
ggu_master collected $10.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***

首先 这也是我的惨痛代价换来的一句话，我想告诉你，就是扑克不是打一手牌，而是打这手牌。

还得自己去参...

首先 这也是我的惨痛代价换来的一句话，我想告诉你，就是扑克不是打一手牌，而是打这手牌。

还得自己去参...
高手指教谢谢！但我真的没能明白，，是不是每手牌的情况不同，要区别对待？我刚玩牌半年，现在真的迷茫了，怎么样能再进一步，我感觉很难有突破，是紧/松，激进/保守，希望大家能告之。

提高自控能力，守纪律，尽量减少情绪对打牌的影响，不论是愤怒/挫败/激动/或是高兴  [s:167]

要有一颗坚强的心,总是要不断经历信心受挫及重建信心的过程。

看过书么？没有的话还是好好看一两本吧。

谢谢大家指教！我是把扑克当修行，我玩扑克没花一分钱，都是扑克室赞助的，现在已经玩到刀了2000刀，我是先把能找到的扑克中文资料，都看看了，我不懂英文，很遗憾，我最想看到CHENBILL的《扑克数学》。我想高手能指出我的错误！谢谢！！

惨败
-被AA慢打
PokerStars Game #30009397858:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 17:23:38 CCT [2009/07/02 5:23:38 ET]
Table 'Klytia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Zigslick ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DeBruns ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 4: hb2c ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 6: ereslider ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Taavi001 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: DittscheGE ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 ($36.35 in chips)
ereslider: posts small blind $0.10
Taavi001: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Kh Ac]
DittscheGE: folds
r眉眉d70: calls $0.25
Zigslick: calls $0.25
DeBruns: folds
kcnyc9: folds
hb2c: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ereslider: folds
Taavi001: folds
r眉眉d70: raises $1.50 to $3
Zigslick: folds
0532gszy: calls $1.50（这时候我脑子空白了，想不明白为什么他反加注，认为他咋呼。）
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2s 6d]
r眉眉d70: checks
0532gszy: bets $2.25
r眉眉d70: raises $2.25 to $4.50
DeBruns is disconnected
0532gszy: raises $20.80 to $25.30 and is all-in（当时考虑他说不是暗3条，感觉不是就ALLIN）
r眉眉d70: calls $20.80
*** TURN *** [Kd 2s 6d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2s 6d Th] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
r眉眉d70: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
r眉眉d70 collected $54.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.20 | Rake $2.80
Board [Kd 2s 6d Th 7c]
Seat 1: Zigslick folded before Flop
Seat 2: DeBruns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hb2c folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy (button) mucked [Kh Ac]
Seat 6: ereslider (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Taavi001 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DittscheGE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 showed [Ad As] and won ($54.40) with a pair of Aces
真没想到他AA慢打，我在MTT里遇到过，刚刚玩现金，现在也遇到了，看样扑克很复杂，也许现在输是最便宜的，可恨的AA慢玩。

不经历风雨怎么见彩虹。 [s:171]

惨败
-被AA慢打
PokerStars Game #30009397858:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 17:23:38 CCT [2009/07/02 5:23:38 ET]
Table 'Klytia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Zigslick ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DeBruns ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 4: hb2c ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 6: ereslider ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Taavi001 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: DittscheGE ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 ($36.35 in chips)
ereslider: posts small blind $0.10
Taavi001: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Kh Ac]
DittscheGE: folds
r眉眉d70: calls $0.25
Zigslick: calls $0.25
DeBruns: folds
kcnyc9: folds
hb2c: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ereslider: folds
Taavi001: folds
r眉眉d70: raises $1.50 to $3
Zigslick: folds
0532gszy: calls $1.50（这时候我脑子空白了，想不明白为什么他反加注，认为他咋呼。）
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2s 6d]
r眉眉d70: checks
0532gszy: bets $2.25
r眉眉d70: raises $2.25 to $4.50
DeBruns is disconnected
0532gszy: raises $20.80 to $25.30 and is all-in（当时考虑他说不是暗3条，感觉不是就ALLIN）
r眉眉d70: calls $20.80
*** TURN *** [Kd 2s 6d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2s 6d Th] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
r眉眉d70: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
r眉眉d70 collected $54.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.20 | Rake $2.80
Board [Kd 2s 6d Th 7c]
Seat 1: Zigslick folded before Flop
Seat 2: DeBruns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hb2c folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy (button) mucked [Kh Ac]
Seat 6: ereslider (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Taavi001 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DittscheGE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 showed [Ad As] and won ($54.40) with a pair of Aces
真没想到他AA慢打，我在MTT里遇到过，刚刚玩现金，现在也遇到了，看样扑克很复杂，也许现在输是最便宜的，可恨的AA慢玩。

这个不算慢打.
preflop对手3bet就要警惕对手QQ,KK,AA,AK这几种牌.
flop 以后对手reraise,意思是他不怕KK.所以要警惕他是AK,AA,或KK.
这种情况下最多你只能call.
我看了你其他牌谱,你对poker的理解还不够.

鱼的迷茫
2009-7-2



我发现自己真的不能控制自己，对扑克感觉迷茫，自己真的不会玩牌了，一下是我今天遇到的牌局，望高手指教！




QQ-1；下家经常反加3BET，我对他有点愤怒，所以没考虑上家就ALLIN，真愚蠢。
PokerStars Game #29990702653:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 4:21:15 CCT [2009/07/01 16:21:15 ET]
Table 'Lina II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Rodogor ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tigergambler ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 4: 0532gszy ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Vlorg ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Florino ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 7: c.spider11 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 8: baobao520 ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: JamalJigga ($13.75 in chips)
Florino: posts small blind $0.10
c.spider11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qh]
baobao520: folds
JamalJigga: folds
Rodogor: folds
tigergambler: raises $0.50 to $0.75
0532gszy: calls $0.75
Vlorg: folds
Tuwei168 leaves the table
Florino: calls $0.65
c.spider11: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c 8h]
Florino: checks
tigergambler: checks
Daywalker VI joins the table at seat #1
0532gszy: bets $1
Florino: raises $2 to $3
tigergambler: calls $3
0532gszy: raises $22.60 to $25.60 and is all-in
Florino: folds
tigergambler: calls $22.60
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 8h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 8h 6s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tigergambler: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
tigergambler collected $53.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $56.70 | Rake $2.80
Board [2s 3c 8h 6s Ks]
Seat 2: Rodogor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tigergambler showed [2d 2c] and won ($53.90) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: 0532gszy mucked [Qd Qh]
Seat 5: Vlorg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Florino (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: c.spider11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: baobao520 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JamalJigga folded before Flop (didn't bet)

QQ-2；我太太拉着我没有ALLIN，我盘牌前就想ALLIN.
PokerStars Game #29977532093:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/01 20:54:54 CCT [2009/07/01 8:54:54 ET]
Table 'Beltrovata' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nzezied ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 ($25.90 in chips)
Seat 3: konsi7777 ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 ($52.40 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Hannusque ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: budzior ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 9: waver11 ($4.55 in chips)
nzezied: posts small blind $0.10
Tulsy_Tsan99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qc]
konsi7777: calls $0.25
Dr.Hibbert55: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Hannusque: folds
budzior: folds
BreweRonnie: raises $3.50 to $5
waver11: folds
nzezied: folds
Tulsy_Tsan99: folds
konsi7777: folds
0532gszy: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 9d]
0532gszy: checks
BreweRonnie: bets $4.75
waver11 is sitting out
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.75) returned to BreweRonnie
BreweRonnie collected $10.10 from pot
BreweRonnie: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [8h 9h 9d]
Seat 1: nzezied (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: konsi7777 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hannusque folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: budzior folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie collected ($10.10)
Seat 9: waver11 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Aks;我最近AK,AQ输惨了，看到AK,AQ就怕。
PokerStars Game #29989736719:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 3:57:04 CCT [2009/07/01 15:57:04 ET]
Table 'Garlena II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hardcore ny ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: gilka12 ($18.45 in chips)
Seat 3: ggu_master ($16.10 in chips)
Seat 4: innka23 ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Gaseri ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 6: 0532gszy ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 7: BassT09 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 8: fritzthetige ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 9: BKKiMP ($11.90 in chips)
ggu_master: posts small blind $0.10
innka23: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Ad Kd]
Gaseri: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.25
BassT09: folds
fritzthetige: folds
BKKiMP: folds
hardcore ny: folds
gilka12: calls $0.25
ggu_master: raises $0.75 to $1
innka23: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.75
gilka12: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Td 8c 9d]
ggu_master: bets $2.25
0532gszy: calls $2.25
gilka12: folds
*** TURN *** [Td 8c 9d] [Tc]
ggu_master: bets $1.75
0532gszy: calls $1.75
*** RIVER *** [Td 8c 9d Tc] [7h]
ggu_master: bets $2.50
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.50) returned to ggu_master
ggu_master collected $10.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***

第一手:
QQ并不是nuts,比你强的还有set,two pairs,AA,KK.
poker的真理,是牌手的action=牌手的牌力.虽然很多时候,因为等draws,或bluff,action偏离牌力,但是大多数时候,action=牌力,仍然是判断对手牌力的主要依据.
在Read的时候,很多牌手喜欢猜对手的牌.这往往会陷入一个误区:因为read的目的,是判断自己和对手的牌力对比.太执着于猜对手的牌是什么,会影响对牌力对比的判断这个主要目的.在有些牌,因为猜中对手的牌而获利,可是更多的牌,却因为猜错而损失.
因为猜中牌很难,而判断双方牌力对比,却容易的多.比如在以上例子中,你拿QQ敢allin吗?如果你不敢,而对手敢,证明对手牌力比你强.