学习Jimmy---个人PLO笔记兼讨论贴

不知你指的BIG DRAW 是有几个OUTS？
我觉得13个以上的话，无论如何都是值得看到RIVER的。 ...
kimiq 发表于 2010-6-7 11:33

无所谓多少个outs，甚至20个
一旦turn有pair board，你就是draw dead

其实我喜欢flop就拉满，不管我是BIG DRAW 还是SET，
可能我打的级别比较低，刚学打PLO，还没打几天。
感觉这种牌有点COIN FLIP的感觉。

木亦是指当对手的flop raise是tight range的时候。
我想是的，当对手的flop raise 是 tight range 很多时候都是set的时候，我们可以不必3bet on flop
虽然打法缺乏平衡，但是面对这种不平衡的对手，我们要尽量exploit他的弱点，而不需要平衡。

big draw也有很多类似，在不同的board也有不同的情况。

这两天没打牌，一方面没时间，另一方面也觉得自己leak太多
在2p2发现一个不错的帖子，值得花时间研究研究

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.co ... it-omaha-us-690798/

今天错误犯得比较大的一手：
preflop和flop问题不大，问题是到了turn
这个可call可不call，应当取决于对手的agg程度。不过这个对手是刚刚上桌，对他了解不深，犹豫半天还是call了
River帮了我，也害了我
事实上，跟这个对手后来打了一阵子后，发现是标准的nit，真是浪费了
PokerStars Game #45273232536:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/06/09 21:06:44 CCT [2010/06/09 9:06:44 ET]
Table 'Eleonora' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: misiu79 ($35.40 in chips)
Seat 2: joodhan666 ($17.53 in chips)
Seat 3: hero ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Stubidos ($26.49 in chips)
Seat 5: firepara8 ($28.25 in chips)
Seat 6: beluking ($17.85 in chips)
beluking: posts small blind $0.10
misiu79: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ad 6c Ah Tc]
joodhan666: calls $0.25
hero: raises $0.75 to $1
Stubidos: folds
misiu79 is disconnected
firepara8: calls $1
beluking: calls $0.90
misiu79 has timed out while disconnected
misiu79: folds
joodhan666: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7c 3s Td]
beluking: checks
joodhan666: checks
hero: bets $2.75
firepara8: folds
beluking: folds
joodhan666: calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [7c 3s Td] [5c]
joodhan666: bets $3.50
hero: calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [7c 3s Td 5c] [2c]
joodhan666: bets $10.28 and is all-in
hero: calls $10.28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
joodhan666: shows [7h 3c Ac 9c] (a flush, Ace high)
hero: shows [Ad 6c Ah Tc] (a flush, Ten high)
joodhan666 collected $35.49 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.31 | Rake $1.82
Board [7c 3s Td 5c 2c]
Seat 1: misiu79 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: joodhan666 showed [7h 3c Ac 9c] and won ($35.49) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: hero showed [Ad 6c Ah Tc] and lost with a flush, Ten high
Seat 4: Stubidos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: firepara8 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: beluking (small blind) folded on the Flop

昨天又ontilt了，鄙视自己一下，最近一周最严重的一次
一旦连续几个coinflip或者占优都输，就容易ontilt
然后就会overplay AA，运气也不帮忙，每次出来的flop不是coinflip就是underdog
也有一些bad call
变成善财童子了

为了激励yacaimei打牌，对赌如下：
1。yacaimei从现在开始到下月底打13w手牌，我需要打5.5w手牌
2。如谁未达成目标，需向对付支付100刀。如都达成或都未达成，无需支付
鸭梨很大

牌打多了，真的什么冤家都有，想slowplay，结果...

PokerStars Game #45541185670:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/06/15 23:03:19 CCT [2010/06/15 11:03:19 ET]
Table 'Atlas II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bdaewn ($11.89 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($23.69 in chips)
Seat 3: Lodin07 ($11.97 in chips)
Seat 4: habibovich ($21.09 in chips)
Seat 5: pullshot1 ($6.12 in chips)
Seat 6: lara dawn ($17.44 in chips)
Lodin07: posts small blind $0.10
habibovich: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Jc Qc 5d Jh]
pullshot1: folds
lara dawn: calls $0.25
bdaewn: folds
Hero: calls $0.25
Lodin07: folds
habibovich: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c Jd]
habibovich: bets $0.25
lara dawn: folds
Hero: raises $1.31 to $1.56
habibovich: calls $1.31
*** TURN *** [2c 7c Jd] [2h]
habibovich: checks
Hero: bets $2.25
habibovich: calls $2.25
*** RIVER *** [2c 7c Jd 2h] [2d]
habibovich: checks
Hero: bets $5.50
habibovich: raises $11.53 to $17.03 and is all-in
Hero: calls $11.53
*** SHOW DOWN ***
habibovich: shows [2s Qd Tc Ac] (four of a kind, Deuces)
Hero: shows [Jc Qc 5d Jh] (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces)
habibovich collected $40.53 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42.53 | Rake $2
Board [2c 7c Jd 2h 2d]
Seat 1: bdaewn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero (button) showed [Jc Qc 5d Jh] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Deuces
Seat 3: Lodin07 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: habibovich (big blind) showed [2s Qd Tc Ac] and won ($40.53) with four of a kind, Deuces
Seat 5: pullshot1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lara dawn folded on the Flop

关于对付AA的一手牌，preflop是否应该call；flop之后c/f?

PokerStars Game #45540790466:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/06/15 22:49:01 CCT [2010/06/15 10:49:01 ET]
Table 'Meriones II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ILikeTuttles ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 2: s0undclash ($6.21 in chips)
Seat 3: SLONRU ($57.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Revirnrut ($33.74 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($10.57 in chips)
s0undclash: posts small blind $0.10
SLONRU: posts big blind $0.25
bdaewn: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Jc 9s Js Qc]
Revirnrut: folds
Hero: raises $0.60 to $0.85
ILikeTuttles: raises $2.05 to $2.90
s0undclash: folds
SLONRU: folds
Hero: calls $2.05
*** FLOP *** [5d 9d 6c]
Hero: bets $5.85
ILikeTuttles: raises $3.75 to $9.60 and is all-in
Hero: calls $1.82 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.93) returned to ILikeTuttles
*** TURN *** [5d 9d 6c] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [5d 9d 6c Kd] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Jc 9s Js Qc] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
ILikeTuttles: shows [Qh 5c Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
ILikeTuttles collected $20.44 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.49 | Rake $1.05
Board [5d 9d 6c Kd 6d]
Seat 1: ILikeTuttles (button) showed [Qh 5c Ad Ac] and won ($20.44) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 2: s0undclash (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SLONRU (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Revirnrut folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hero showed [Jc 9s Js Qc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes

两手典型错误，打完这两手，我气得就把牌桌关了
第一手是overplay small fullhouse，对手range里有诸如QJT9之类的牌，事后想想，flop的c/r有点大，turn上应该先check，看看对手的bet size。实际上从统计数据看，对手并不agg，这手应该是浪费了2/3个buyin左右。此外对手即时只有J，比如AKQJ，这时我也就是coinflip，所以，唉....
第二手的问题是自己stack不够大，flop的raise无法形成HU的情况。另外自己是bottom two pair，应当直接fold。能够raise allin应该自己top 2 pair，还要在加足够深的stack或者nut flush draw

PokerStars Game #45581828892:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/06/16 21:18:40 CCT [2010/06/16 9:18:40 ET]
Table 'Aunus II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: King Kire II ($40.61 in chips)
Seat 2: Gerovasik ($42.14 in chips)
Seat 3: hero ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: DrawSemaj ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: packbill ($49.42 in chips)
Seat 6: cleric2525 ($9.20 in chips)
Gerovasik: posts small blind $0.10
hero: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [5s 9s 9c 5h]
DrawSemaj: raises $0.60 to $0.85
packbill: folds
cleric2525: folds
King Kire II: folds
Gerovasik: folds
hero: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Jd Js 9d]
hero: checks
DrawSemaj: bets $1.50
hero: raises $4.71 to $6.21
DrawSemaj: calls $4.71
*** TURN *** [Jd Js 9d] [8h]
hero: bets $13.52
DrawSemaj: raises $4.42 to $17.94 and is all-in
hero: calls $4.07 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.35) returned to DrawSemaj
*** RIVER *** [Jd Js 9d 8h] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hero: shows [5s 9s 9c 5h] (a full house, Nines full of Jacks)
DrawSemaj: shows [As Jh 8s 9h] (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
DrawSemaj collected $47.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.40 | Rake $2
Board [Jd Js 9d 8h 7d]
Seat 1: King Kire II (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Gerovasik (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: hero (big blind) showed [5s 9s 9c 5h] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
Seat 4: DrawSemaj showed [As Jh 8s 9h] and won ($47.40) with a full house, Jacks full of Nines
Seat 5: packbill folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cleric2525 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #45582650480:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2010/06/16 21:48:02 CCT [2010/06/16 9:48:02 ET]
Table 'Ialmenus II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Liaedrar ($20.79 in chips)
Seat 2: pete korea ($14.41 in chips)
Seat 3: hero ($10.15 in chips)
Seat 4: ZH144 ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Met07 ($15.72 in chips)
Seat 6: bdaewn ($10.06 in chips)
ZH144: posts small blind $0.10
Met07: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [4h 8c 7c 6d]
bdaewn: folds
Liaedrar: folds
pete korea: calls $0.25
hero: calls $0.25
ZH144: calls $0.15
Met07: raises $1 to $1.25
pete korea: calls $1
hero: calls $1
ZH144: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [7s 6c Jc]
ZH144: checks
Met07: bets $4.75
pete korea: calls $4.75
hero: raises $4.15 to $8.90 and is all-in
ZH144: folds
Met07: calls $4.15
pete korea: calls $4.15
*** TURN *** [7s 6c Jc] [Ac]
Met07: bets $5.57 and is all-in
pete korea: calls $4.26 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.31) returned to Met07
*** RIVER *** [7s 6c Jc Ac] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Met07: shows [Jh Kd 2h Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
pete korea: shows [Tc As Kc 2s] (a flush, Ace high)
pete korea collected $8.16 from side pot
hero: mucks hand
pete korea collected $30.13 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.22 Main pot $30.13. Side pot $8.16. | Rake $1.93
Board [7s 6c Jc Ac 4c]
Seat 1: Liaedrar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pete korea showed [Tc As Kc 2s] and won ($38.29) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: hero (button) mucked [4h 8c 7c 6d]
Seat 4: ZH144 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Met07 (big blind) showed [Jh Kd 2h Jd] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: bdaewn folded before Flop (didn't bet)