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回复 58# mardiego


   bankroll is not really a big deal if you have the skills to do it, durrrr started with $50 bankroll and moved up to 25/50 within a year or so.  Jungleman started playing 25c/50c in 2008, and now he's playing durrrr and ivey at 200/400 and 300/600.  There is no barrel from 1c/2c to at least 10/20 if you are good enough.  from 25/50 to higher that's a real problem though, just so little game running between 25/50 and 200/400+, it's really difficult/near impossible for someone to build a decent bankroll for those nosebleed game without taking a big shot with a few buyins here and there.

回复 62# fcf


    bankroll is not really a big deal if you have the skills to do it, durrrr started with $50 bankroll and moved up to 25/50 within a year or so.  Jungleman started playing 25c/50c in 2008, and now he's playing durrrr and ivey at 200/400 and 300/600.  There is no barrel from 1c/2c to at least 10/20 if you are good enough.  from 25/50 to higher that's a real problem though, just so little game running between 25/50 and 200/400+, it's really difficult/near impossible for someone to build a decent bankroll for those nosebleed game without taking a big shot with a few buyins here and there.

这个我持不同意见。
因为小赌场经常输黄了关桌。打扑克再牛逼，不会比赌场牛逼吧。

另外关于durrrr之类的，我了解的不多。估计都是赌徒吧，他敢干且赢了且成名了那个幸运者。许多超越自己资金的，最终都是牺牲品，肯定比成功的多多了。

任何赌博都有波动，这是天生的规律。而且应该越盈利的项目，波动越大。如果你资金少，为了减少波动，只好选更有把握的情形去赢。例如，你有1/4的机会用全部家当去赢5倍你的家当。你肯定要放掉这机会，否则75%的时候会让你的游戏无法继续。这样，你只好选择你盈率很大，赢的机会很高的情形去打，那就严重损失了赢钱的效率。

我说一个真实的例子。我一个哥们，他只有10000左右的娱乐钱，去打10-25的plt limit omaha，有一把他有12个nut outs，他是黑桃AQ，翻牌2黑桃，外带KJ。别人不听的加注，等轮到他这里，必须把10000all in，而这个10000输了，不知道要多久他才能重回这个game，于是他扔了。这锅最后5万，river来黑桃了，于是他错过一次赢4万多的机会。如果他靠了，很可能也不来黑桃，把10000输了。
再好的赌博理论，都是建立在多次重复的基础上的。你的资金不具备多次重复性，赌博的许多东西都要打折扣。
我胡乱的胡说八道一下，那些Durrr之流，资金不够的。你等着他们破产吧。

我把话放这里。这些人我不了解，你们肯定都清楚。5年后，至少80%资金不够的药销声匿迹。包括durrr，其实，他们多半资金不够。他们输输赢赢，已经不是赌博了。没几个人的钱够多次重复的。我们现在见到的，不过是运气好的留下来的。

关于资金管理，没有人能比赌场做的更红了。他们有那么多年的经验。但如果你真的了解赌场，不是每个赌场的资金都够。小赌场只好设上限，比如百家乐别人到1000，他们只好到300，没有办法。这样更耽误他们赚钱，资金就更不够，恶性循环起来了。

我徒弟去玩2-5，他们资金不够。于是，就等牌，完全不bluff了，等好牌清理别人。我说，你其实退步了，别打2-5了。你的退步完全是资金造成的。

真正的好手，不管网上和陆地。一定是中东西和bluff两条腿走路。只用一条腿走路的，你的水平只相当于好手的1/4。为什么是四分之一呢。当然是大概，就是你bluff不但本省能赢钱，还能让你中了东西赢的更多。
这也是为什么1-2上多数人都是每小时10元，我是40的原因。

i wrote this on mitbbs on bank roll management. I agree with FCF's opinion. bankroll is important.. but skill is much more important than bankroll management

"I don't think we should get carried
away by bankroll management. Bankroll management will not turn you into a
winning player, but it can protect a winning player from go broke from
downswings.  It is useful if you 1) go up too fast  2) play at a level where
you can't afford to lose.

For most of us who hang around at microstake, we really have infinite bank
roll. For example, if you could afford to lose 200$ a month and you play
NL50$ and you always come back if you go broke for a month. You have 4 buy-
ins every month, but you in fact have infinite bankrolls.  If you ARE a
winning player, you will not go broke because you didn't bankroll management
. You keep losing because you are just not winning.  The more important
skill to have is to assess whether you are winning at the level you play."
Poker is not about going hot one week or two to go up a level. It is about
consistency over long run.  To know whether you are winning or not by your
play not by your bankroll is important. This is also important when you
level up.  The faster you can assess whether you are winning or not, the
less you will lose to test out the water. Skill decides the level you should
play more important than bankroll.

回复 63# 伟大的墙


    你可能误会我说的了, 我是指在遵守bankroll managment的条件下网上的高手照样可以从$50块比较快的(几个月)到10/20 这样的级别 (100k bankroll).   我看过kk 贴过一个bankroll management的图, 就按那个来就行, 而且很厉害的还可以在激进一点, 因为本身优势大.   

不过说起durrrr 这几个整天玩200/400的, 除了跟fulltilt有deal的 (不是老朱这种, 是durrrr, phil ivey 那样的, 他们据说每年可以从fulltilt 分几百万), 其他人玩200/400 以上都是有不小的破产机会的, 因为说到底他们bankroll也就几百万, 玩那个级别是不够的, 真是在赌了.

我其实还是比较庆幸我实行了比较“标准”的bankroll managment

100个买入的管理有些人觉得太保守了，不过最近3个月我光EV就亏了超过30个买入了（最近几天扑克室发疯了），剩下的牌cooler也有，自己被badbeat打tilt了以后额外奉送的也有。还有自己乱调策略反而降低了盈率，但是由于这段运气很差，当时一开始以为是运气问题才输钱，打法是好的

kk 基本不睡觉怎么的, 好像早上晚上都回帖呀, 近来怎么样呀?

回复 65# fcf


    你可能误会我说的了, 我是指在遵守bankroll managment的条件下网上的高手照样可以从$50块比较快的(几个月)到10/20 这样的级别 (100k bankroll).   我看过kk 贴过一个bankroll management的图, 就按那个来就行, 而且很厉害的还可以在激进一点, 因为本身优势大.   

不过说起durrrr 这几个整天玩200/400的, 除了跟fulltilt有deal的 (不是老朱这种, 是durrrr, phil ivey 那样的, 他们据说每年可以从fulltilt 分几百万), 其他人玩200/400 以上都是有不小的破产机会的, 因为说到底他们bankroll也就几百万, 玩那个级别是不够的, 真是在赌了.

所以嘛，我就觉得Durrrr他们在表演，有其他财源。否则，

kk 基本不睡觉怎么的, 好像早上晚上都回帖呀, 近来怎么样呀?
fcf 发表于 2010-5-14 08:16

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