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maomaobiao 发表于 2013-9-11 09:14
I sort of understand lz's question, look at these
"那么在捉牌的情况下打18 BB,不中的话不是送钱吗?" ...
I sort of understand lz's question, look at these
"那么在捉牌的情况下打18 BB,不中的话不是送钱吗?"
"其实问题就是出在 flop 的18BB上,如果没有那个bet, 我是不会都进去的。"
The V played very well with such a betting size (18BB), and your call is the best result he wanted tbh. If you push back on flop, whether V gonna fold or call, I don't know. But ask yourself, if you were V in this situation, and being pushed back on flop, what will you do?
我没明白你为什么这么问,如果我是对方,flop捉牌打18BB,对方推我all-in,可以算一下比例,如果不算高两张AK,只算9张club出牌,大约36%赢面,对方(也就是我)推all-in,大概65BB左右,而锅里是48BB,多半会fold掉。但是我上面多次说了,概率确实非常重要,可是有时候现场要做一些考虑到其他因素的调整,所以1/4-1/3可能是call。
当然了,这是我的打法,我是鱼,所以回答错了很有可能,我还是不明白你问这个和我的问题有什么关系。
Leading 18BB is not "giving free money", it has many effects
1) To claim the dead money, if opponent fold
2) Image build when oop (especiall when PF is 3-bet'd)
3) Building the pot, setting a trap, letting opponent commit to this pot (if turn draws the nuts flush)
4) Like Sco pointed out, to bluff/float, when miss. Why not?
这四点完全同意,是这么回事。这不过没有长筹码的时候很难这么打。我说送钱是因为建立在只有一个buy-in筹码的基础上这么说的。
So, what's our (hero's) best action on flop? ALL-in. Forget about AJ.
B'cause if you worry about AJ here, you should have fold PF already.
说的也没错,但是AJ对QJ在flop是J 7 4 上的优势并不大,所以我选择了call。而且我会担心AA/KK,虽然当时我感觉应该不是AA/KK,但那毕竟只是感觉,可能性是有的。我知道自己说到这儿有人该说我自相矛盾了,这里我承认,大家难道不觉得大现场对对手牌的判断就是一个充满矛盾假设、再慢慢排除缩小范围的过程吗?
从这手牌来看,确实flop推all-in 是最好的,但是现场的时候经常是一念之差,而后面的出牌往往又经常会BB你,让你先前认为正确的打法全输,而你分析认为不对的打法歪打正着。扑克不就是这样的吗?
Further, you wanna talk about turn? Sure,
1) once you know V has nut flush, fold.
2) if you know V was bluffing, call.
这一点我在顶楼也说了,就是因为对手在flop 18BB虚晃一枪,让我坚定地在turn中了两对的情况下all-in,我发这个帖子的问题也是如果对付对手的这种打法。
How can we read V's move? I guess nobody can tell you that here in this forum.
Just my two cents.
另外,亲,我胆敢怯生生地问一句,这里都是看得懂中文的,你发这么多英文干啥子腻?
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