an interesting hand.... what you play would be?

live $1/2 NL

Villan is a solid player, haven't done anything out of line. I lost a big pot with AQo on a A 5 8 T A board against his bottom set last week.

I've been playing basically ABC poker so far, waiting for good hands and wining pots against loose players.

We both have about $250 behind before the hand started. There's a $5 straddle UTG, 3 people limp and it's on me. I raise to $40 with AQ. it was folded to Villan in the small blind, who calls. everyone else folds.

pot ~$100

the flop comes AK3, giving me top pair and nut flush draw. Villan checks... what should i do?

as played i bet $50, Villan chk/raise all in and it's on me.....

thoughts?

我flop会bet70，他推我all in 我是扔不掉。估计是落后的，但管他是什么都有机会把他灭了。

get in, that's it.

atubo_beep 发表于 2013-4-28 15:38
get in, that's it.

以你对对手的了解，对手有可能用A+Js和A+Ts，推ALLIN吗？如果没可能，对手的牌至少AK，可能是SET3，可能是flush，pot 你需要用160元拿下360的pot，去不去两可吧，如果对手是flush，比例不太合适，AK到勉强合适，SET又redraw，比例也不是很合适。

这个牌很有意思。

综合楼主的描述对桌面动态、交战历史的描述，对手在flop的check-raise all in 90%不是bluff，而是一个value。既然是value，这里对手在这个board的bottom range是AK了。别指望对手是AQ，这只能说运气太好了。

这时候我们仅剩一个flush draw了，这里其实是个make tough fold的spot，赔率不够我们去draw一个flush。

如果我来打这手牌，我flop会check behind，因为对手在作为一个solid player，SB在那个位置call这么大的一个翻牌前加注，他的range其实是很窄的，88+以上的对子，或者AK。这样的翻牌出来后，我们要么遥遥领先，要么落后，如果这里我是TT/JJ with non-spade，我可能会考虑bet-fold这个flop。但AQ with Q spade，I would check the flop。call any bet on turn and river。

有些对手会拿TT/JJ with one spade check-raise all in这个flop，一般只有特别好和特别差的玩家会这么玩。如果如楼主描述，我觉得对手不属于打的特别好，也不属于特别差的。

Ander_AK 发表于 2013-4-28 16:37
这个牌很有意思。

综合楼主的描述对桌面动态、交战历史的描述，对手在flop的check-raise all in 90%不是bl ...

大胜必经大忍，大败常因心切 你这个签名真是不错

richardsyj 发表于 2013-4-28 16:47
大胜必经大忍，大败常因心切 你这个签名真是不错

我的德州座右铭，谢谢

I agree with AK. betting the flop is not a good play. we are either way ahead or slightly behind with 9 clean outs.

Being out of position and facing a big raise, a solid player's preflop cold calling range is very narrow. The flop just hits his range hard. Betting at the flop only turned our hand into a bluff bc weaker hands are folding and better hands are going to give us heavy action. With top pair and the nut flush draw, there's almost no bad turn card for us.

Actually i was the Villan sitting in the small blind with KK. Given the action in front of me there's no way not to give away information about my hand no matter what i do (unless i fold...). There hasn't been any preflop 3bet by that time. So i chose to cold call as oppose to 3betting. Against this opponent (hero in the hand), i think he may not be good enough to recognize what's going on and put me on a much wider range than it should be.


But i'm not sure about my flop chk/raise. As played i chose to end the battle on the flop to avoid facing any tough decisions later in the hand.

richardsyj 发表于 2013-4-28 16:18
以你对对手的了解，对手有可能用A+Js和A+Ts，推ALLIN吗？如果没可能，对手的牌至少AK，可能是SET3，可能是 ...

这牌对手大概率是AK，set3 如果人pre call了这么大raise 进来，全pay 给他又何妨，对手小flush的可能性几乎是不存在的。由于str 导致实际筹码深度只有50bb，而且已经投入了90，超过自己1/3的筹码，再投160 赢一个500多点（总）的pot 30%的概率足够了，gogogo。