我是jimmyfish──PLO核心技術探討

学习中。

經典牌局37──生命因你美麗：

PS 0.5/1.0/A0.2 PLO九人檯，100-250BB 深籌碼買入，前面有3位平跟，小盲棄，我在大盲拿KhTc7c4s，很差的牌，當然的過，4人爭奪。

翻牌KcKdTh，我中了最大的full house，觀，中位下注pot 5.65，其他人棄，我re-pot 22.6，對手平跟。

轉牌3d，我pot 48.6，對手跟。

河牌Qh，對手尚有85，pot有148，我照all in，對手想，最後亦跟。

開牌，對手是Ks9c8s3c，轉牌是小 full house，我順利拿下315的鍋。

這個對手超級魚，翻牌要棄的，跟到你河。

有牌，照下注，照re-pot，就是贏錢的秘訣。

I think you should put in at least one raise, either turn or river. can't put opponent on quads anytime you got raised. your bet only said you had a 7, his raise said he had one too, and with either an ace or king kicker. your flat call made him believe he was ahead, which was good. if you don't want to raise, then lead either turn or river, I prefer river, give him more chance to hit his kickers. he mihgt even raise you on river thinking you have 75xx. if you check, he would probably check behind with just a7, and you won't get value for your top boat. just my .02. I don't play the ps .5/1, and i mostly play 6max, so i might be totally wrong. but i have played some 2/4 9man on ps before, and there are enough fishes that will get it in with a7xx, 78xx and 75xx on that board.
the stacks were deep, but not so deep that you need to pot control against the small chance you are against quads. ( the other hand you had jjxx vs aq33, with 60 bb, it is automatic you get it in with top full. don't second guess yourself)

Jimmy, I have been reading this thread  for a while, and just too lazy to comment. most of the commenters thought you were too aggressive, but I think you are not aggreassive enough. this hand is a good example. you can be a winner playing nitty, but you can win more being viewed as a loose and aggreassive fish. as long as your bankroll is sufficient, and you can stand the variance.

remember, it is best to be feared in NLHE, but be loved in PLO.

hope I will meet you some day in macau, and we can talk PLO. or come to vegas during wsop, the cash game is very good.

經典牌局34──應不應該這麼保守：

PS 0.5/1.0/A0.2，九人檯，100-250BB深籌碼，我在UTG，有480，拿KhKsTs ...
jimmyking 发表于 2010-6-9 08:20

至asics：

多謝 閣下的指導。

經典牌局34的的確是一手非常經典的牌局，他經典之處在於深籌碼，兩個選手都有500個BB，而500確實是非常之深的數字，我未曾有這樣的經驗。

當然，實際的銀碼不是太大，最少對我來講。

有這樣的翻牌，我是絕對不會棄的。

在PS，我都不止輸過3次這樣的upper full Vs Quads，但應該都是100個BB左右。

如果在轉牌反加注，對手若真的有77，將會再反加點，那對我的傷害會很大。如果對手沒有，那是必需棄牌（我就會棄，因為河牌的下注將會很大，小 full根本跟不上）。

換句話說，輸給你的不會跟，沒有價值，而能贏你的，自己又難棄，所以是不能夠反加注的。

反而，我贊成閣下在河牌的率先下注，在最後一注，輸給自己的，很可能要crying call，而我在前面的觀望，其實對手應該要觀的，我不明白他為什麼依然下注。

是他的錯誤，我才能贏最後的66元。

河上的check raise不是太好，理由跟轉牌時一樣。

我只會在絶對的nuts，才會為500個BB全進。

jimmy:

I am no expert, just joining the discussion. and sorry for not typing in chinese.

there are two reasons I am not too worried about 77xx. first, most players will slowplay quads, so a raise by him on flop might actually diminish the chance he had 77xx. (most will slowplay kkxx here too. I like your leadout a lot, especially with stacks this deep. ) second, your line didn't show any strength at all. if you cr on turn, and he raise again, then I will start worrying about quads, and might fold or call depending on opponent.

the reason checkraising the turn might not be a good play is it showes lots of strength, might scare away a 87xx. if you don't want to raise the turn or river, the best line might be to lead out half to 2/3 pot on turn, and call if raised, then check call river. if not raised, then leadout again on river, and call any raise. your hand is strong enough to call at least one raise, if not a 3bet.

about the flop play: you said you would have reraised the flop if not worried about 77xx. I think leadout then flating the rasie is best, so as not reveal the strength of your hand. rr on flop screams at least k7xx if not kkxx, and most opponent will fold right there, having at most 3 outs. if the stack is not too deep, you can still get the money in on turn and river; if the stacks are deep, you don't want to commit anyway.

and last, all these discussions assume no read on the opponent. any info you have on the opponent should play a major role in determining which line is best.

至asics：

多謝 閣下的指導。

經典牌局34的的確是一手非常經典的牌局，他經典之處在於深籌碼，兩個選手都 ...
jimmyking 发表于 2010-6-14 09:39

經典牌局38──與鲨共泳：

PS 2/4 PLO九人檯，40-100BB 標準籌碼買入，我買入400，不一會兒，降到330，來了這樣的一手牌。

我在發牌人，前面所有人棄，我拿KdJcTd8c，雙同花兼小連張，於是加注到12，小盲來自台北的PS Pro Raymond Wu平跟，大盲棄，單挑。

Raymond Wu經常到澳門比賽，我見過他幾次，我認識他，但他不認識我。

翻牌是Ad/Qd/8h，RW觀，我中了wrap加聽最大的花，當然的下注，在27的鍋下24，RW反加注88，到我，如何是好？

PLO的凶很重要，而這把牌正好是最適合運用的時候，我反反加注到290，我想，就算你RW拿dry的暗三Q也要棄給我的，除非另有聽牌。

誰知RW想也不想全進，我也只餘30+，別無選擇的跟入。

RW原來拿著AhAcKc6c，最大的暗三，是當時的nuts，怪不得這麼勇猛。

翻牌前我的勝率是41：59，翻牌後我是53：47輕微領先，那怕對手拿最大的暗三。

轉牌7h，河牌9c，我最終拿下660的大鍋。

Raymond Wu他们好象有个俱乐部的,
我经常遇见他们的人一起打PLO,他们有个特殊的图标,
我在北京打过一次PLO,国内现在玩PLO的现场现金局特别少,
上海那边现在倒是有大一点的PLO局,
jimmyking,国内几个大城市的现金局挺不错,
下次,如果你愿意的话,我带你去西安的俱乐部打,
我最近一直在打着,红龙杯之前回澳门......

建设哥。。。请问成都有专门打PLO的俱乐部吗？

不好意思，成都的情况我完全不了解，你问问其他人吧！

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990名進錢圈，我夾硬以短籌碼擠進，只有20000不到，6個BB左右，跌到2個BB反彈，一度擠身平均籌碼，可惜最後後勁不力，最終倒在248名，獎金675元。

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