比赛问题

问个问题，3人獎池50\30\20，剩5人，平均15000chips.我最小筹码只有5000在btn拿TJs。300\600，fold到我，小盲和大盲都10000，小盲会call allin25%,大盲call allin35%,怎做好？怎样考量？

推就一个字

他们这么爱call的话还真是all不出来

TJs已经是18%的牌了，对照他call的范围你已经盈利了，不管他call与不call

你这是什么比赛，那么多筹码，钱圈才三人

闷闷 发表于 2013-1-10 10:49
你这是什么比赛，那么多筹码，钱圈才三人

普通SNG呀。

eboyyang 发表于 2013-1-10 22:27
这牌不ALL IN 就对不起自己的手牌了。你用18%的RANGE 去推一个 25%和一个35%。完全就是为了翻倍的啊。+EV啊 ...

这可不一定。

如果纯粹考虑chip EV，我们的牌是第18%好的牌，小盲对手会拿着前25%跟入。那么他一旦跟入，他的牌比我们好的概率是18/25。（假设牌的好坏顺序为纯线性）这个数字足够大，我们的下注基本就是bluff。也就是说，我们捡到的盲注必须足够大，以至于冒这个险是值得的。

若是考虑money EV，那就又差了一层。我们能推的范围就要更紧。

具体的数字还没算，但直觉上这是个fold。原因是两人跟入的频率异乎寻常地高。两人均fold的概率是
75%*65%=48.75% 还不到一半。 比赛中比较接近钱圈，如果一个全进有一半以上的可能被人跟，很难是+$EV的。谁有空给ICM一下

Howard 发表于 2013-1-11 14:32
这可不一定。

如果纯粹考虑chip EV，我们的牌是第18%好的牌，小盲对手会拿着前25%跟入。那么他一旦跟入 ...

LOL this is so fxxxing bullsxxx and i even doubt u know anything about ICM in tournament poker. Here you go for the lesson
Firstly, ICM normally applies to hero when he's the one who is facing a shove in late stage of a tournament. It doesnt matter when hero is the one who needs to decide shoving or not. Plus,we dont consider ICM in this spot cos hero is the shortest stack thus we should ONLY be making +cEV play. as in this case, it's quite complicated maths but i can leave the calculation for u maths guys.(and yeah, be a genius pls do the maths, it's impossible to do )
also, when u are shoving JTs knowing SB will call 25% while BB will call 35%, it's not a fxxxing bluff, it's a value shove. Why? cos we are ahead of their calling range. wtf is that when they call us 18/25 the time they will have a better hand thus it's a bluff bet? so according to your theory we need to shove top 12.5% for this to be a value shove???NO SIR, we simply need to shove 24.9% for this to be a value shove, oh wait, actually higher ,cos BB's calling 35%, so we should be shoving somewhere between 25-35% but again im no maths wizard .

PLUS,若是考虑money EV，那就又差了一层。我们能推的范围就要更紧。
GZZZZ, u shove wider as a short stack but call tighter . also as i said above, there's almost no money EV to consider in this spot as we are the shortest stack by miles.

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