请教贴，比较基础的疑问，另附一手牌

好少参加超过千人的比赛。昨天晚上打了两个小级别的千人赛，一个24d 38K G，一个10d rebuy。因为前期采用的策略，到了中期筹码并不占优。当筹码降到20 BB左右时，面临一些很困惑的情况。大筹码开始频繁偷盲、小筹码也时不时孤注一掷。我的左边要不就是小筹码，动不动就拼命。当我拿到89s这样的牌在button加注，他们allin，我只能fold。左边如果是大筹码，加注后他们要么reraise、要么call，然后在board上疯狂出击。

    这个时候应该怎么办？死等牌，被盲注吃剩7、8个BB再拼命？感觉这时候poker成了一个运气主导的游戏。有一把，我在BB拿到AJo，中位一个小筹码allin，CO位筹码比我略多的也allin了。我考虑再三，只有把牌扔了。一个是44，一个是TT，最后board让我成了链，真他妈的造物弄人。当然从结果来反推是低级的做法，可这让我觉得poker成了百分百的人品游戏，我的人品又一向不好，几尴尬。

    疑问就是，如果中期不来牌，是不是被弄死是活该？

    24d 比赛进圈不久，遇到一个很郁闷的牌局，这里发泄一下：我在SB拿到KK，前位一个小筹码push，紧跟他的中等筹码再push。我心花怒放，自然也push了。小筹码A8s、中筹码88，这是多么好的局面啊。即使出了A、flush，我还能赢个很大的边池。8嘛，只有一张了，我虚个鸡鸡。如你所知，最后turn就来了一张8，气得我口歪眼斜。后来好歹熬到百人有零，遇到出局的一手牌。当时我刚调到那张桌上，看到当事button连all三把，从贫困线跃升到小康。可他all的都是些什么牌啊：68s、QKo、A6s。然后他到了button，我到了小盲。

Full Tilt Poker Game #15932314819: $38,000 Guarantee (116607228), Table 29 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold\'em - 18:10:22 ET - 2009/11/10
Seat 1: scoobano (101,214)
Seat 2: kingstgrinder (91,859)
Seat 3: Discotizer (82,828)
Seat 4: bodhigang (49,730)
Seat 5: littleupside (21,476)
Seat 6: Donka (40,190)
Seat 8: BONCELA (34,813)
Seat 9: Nibz32a (62,496)
bodhigang posts the small blind of 1,200
littleupside posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bodhigang [Ad Tc]
6 folds
Discotizer raises to 7,200
bodhigang raises to 49,430, and is all in
littleupside folds
Discotizer calls 42,230

      当时的想法：button可能是任何牌，两个小连张、AX、KX，甚至是rag。ATo对他的范围是占优的。因为OOP，出了任何牌我都不知道该怎么打，如果call他的raise，然后check flop，等于拱手把pot让给他。即使我hit A，bet后他allin，我也面临很困难的决定。除非hit T trip或者天链，机会何其渺茫。所以就allin了。

    鉴于这把牌一旦参与，做任何决定都会很困难。不知道你们会怎么搞？或者弃牌，选择下把从左边两个矮筹码身上找补？

When M>30 with pocket 3s, you can always play like cada, raise reraise all in and win a wsop bracelet [s:167]

[quote="Howard":aw0kt767]6-10M这个区间，很多牌都变得不能打了。

例如中小对子22-99，如果M<5，可直接推；如果M>10，且主要潜在对手均>10，可limp for set value；唯独6-10M这个区间，limp没有足够implied odds, 全推冒险，fold可惜。

老哈的Harrington on Hold 第二卷提出，
<1M, 属于dead zone
1-4M, Red Zone,
5-10M, Orange Zone,
10-18M, Yellow Zone,
>18M, Green Zone

具体zone间分界我记得不太清楚，可能未必准确。Orange Zone怎么打，我也忘了老哈是怎么说的了，谁手边有那本书，能不能贴一下。

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我要用圆规把这句话刻在脸上，当成座右铭！

When M>30 with pocket 3s, you can always play like cada, raise reraise all in and win a wsop bracelet [s:167]

6-10M这个区间，很多牌都变得不能打了。

例如中小对子22-99，如果M<5，可直接推；如果M>10，且主要潜在对手均>10，可limp for set value；唯独6-10M这个区间，limp没有足够implied odds, 全推冒险，fold可惜。

老哈的Harrington on Hold 第二卷提出，
<1M, 属于dead zone
1-4M, Red Zone,
5-10M, Orange Zone,
10-18M, Yellow Zone,
>18M, Green Zone

具体zone间分界我记得不太清楚，可能未必准确。Orange Zone怎么打，我也忘了老哈是怎么说的了，谁手边有那本书，能不能贴一下。

when you reraise and he still push you all in preflop or after flop, it would be an easy fold for you since he does have a big hand (big pocket pairs).

I would just simply fold. If you push with A 10 and hoping him to fold or think he will fold, it might be alright. If you want to double up, with A 10 that is defintely not the right cards to do.  the only cards you dominate is A9-A2. Everything else is either close to a coin flip or dominate you completely- AK-AJ AA KK QQ JJ 1010.  You have 20bb. you don't need to gamble to continue in the touney yet.

你这样一讲，我觉得好像的确也是。
AT在那个时候allin似乎的确太冒了，应该再当一下忍者神龟。

when you reraise and he still push you all in preflop, it would be an easy fold for you since he must have a big hand (big pocket pairs). If he calls preflop, you need to lead out for betting (1/3-half pot) no matter what is on the flop to represent your big pocket pairs. He probably fold if he doesn't have a made hand. If he raises you, easy fold. You have tried all you can and still have around 10 bb for next chance to double up on him when you do have a hand.

I would just simply fold. If you push with A 10 and hoping him to fold or think he will fold, it might be alright. If you want to double up, with A 10 that is defintely not the right cards to do.  the only cards you dominate is A9-A2. Everything else is either close to a coin flip or dominate you completely- AK-AJ AA KK QQ JJ 1010.  You have 20bb. you don't need to gamble to continue in the touney yet.

不好意思。把10K看成10BB了。
你说raise到10K，那他一样是call或者push我。也就是说，我百分之百损失10K筹码。
在我看来，这牌只有两个选择：

1 fold。
2 allin。

中间选择就是送钱。我最终选择了allin，一个是基于之前看到他allin的牌，二是想到无数人教育说：比赛后期要猛，不能软。不然大家都要欺负你。到现在我有点迷糊，那牌allin得很愚蠢吗？

Why do you have to reraise all in with 20bb?  less than 10bb maybe but definitely not with 20 bb. 3 options.
1) reraise to 10k if you think he is stealing. he comes over the top easy fold.
2) call to see a cheap flop. If nothing hits, easy fold after flop without committing any more chips.
3) fold and make a move when you have a monster hand and this guy will double you up easily.

you have 20bb. there is still plenty of game to be played. Why commite all your chips with A 10?  you are not that dominant even if he calls you with 23s and this guy is clearly not afraid of go all in from your description.  You don't even have much fold equity.

关于你的第一点，我的想法是这样的：他已经bet了3bb，pot一共大约是6个bb。我reraise到10bb，一共是16bb。他需要call 7个bb去赢16个bb。几乎可以肯定，他百分五十call，百分之五十push我。而我一旦flop不到nuts或者被他push（这时候还有个committ的问题，我好像也只能call他的push。这样一来就跟直接push一样，但失去额外的fold equity），就等于白送他10bb。

第二点一样，我几乎等于白送他2.5bb。

第三点正是我有所怀疑的地方。我是否该fold。但那样是否偏软？失去一个很有可能double up的机会，或者鼓励他一直偷我的盲？比赛奖金从18名到200多名差距微小。我想要往前冲，当时我比平均筹码都略少。正是这个问题，让我之后贴上来。这个问题可以抽象成这样的说法：

在比赛后期，筹码低于平均水平的情况下，该不该大胆用一些边缘牌去打击range很广但筹码比你多的对手？

6-10M这个区间，很多牌都变得不能打了。

例如中小对子22-99，如果M<5，可直接推；如果M>10，且主要潜在对手均>10，可limp for set value；唯独6-10M这个区间，limp没有足够implied odds, 全推冒险，fold可惜。

老哈的Harrington on Hold 第二卷提出，
<1M, 属于dead zone
1-4M, Red Zone,
5-10M, Orange Zone,
10-18M, Yellow Zone,
>18M, Green Zone

具体zone间分界我记得不太清楚，可能未必准确。Orange Zone怎么打，我也忘了老哈是怎么说的了，谁手边有那本书，能不能贴一下。

Why do you have to reraise all in with 20bb?  less than 10bb maybe but definitely not with 20 bb. 3 options.
1) reraise to 10k if you think he is stealing. he comes over the top easy fold.
2) call to see a cheap flop. If nothing hits, easy fold after flop without committing any more chips.
3) fold and make a move when you have a monster hand and this guy will double you up easily.

you have 20bb. there is still plenty of game to be played. Why commite all your chips with A 10?  you are not that dominant even if he calls you with 23s and this guy is clearly not afraid of go all in from your description.  You don't even have much fold equity.

非常感谢霍兄的分析。其实乌兄的疑问，我也深有同感。霍兄的分析有拨云见日之功。希望高手们不要笑话我。 [s:149]