三脚架 xx圈 online 日记

因为圈和PS, live 都不太一样, 就单独开设个日记贴. 用于自己反思.

live 日记 http://www.zhiyoucheng.co/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=29216
这个月基本放弃live, 直接赞助了一个1/1 玩家任他打吧. 现在主要针对xx圈. 论坛上传成绩图片比较麻烦, 我成绩基本上更新在微博.
我的平台匿名数据,  3% rake, 游戏币免费. 打的不是DPQ.

月初经人介绍, 开始打. 问家里人借了支付包账号, 用20K 的bankroll开始试水.
第一天 打了2/4, 2/4/8, 确实soft.
第二天 打了5/10(1), 5/10 基本等于live 1/1£, 第一感觉起手range比live紧太多了, 但是很多人都非常passive, limp AJo, 88 99 都是常见都,
EP, LP limp TT, AQ, AK no 3bet, KK no 4bet, 感觉很怪. 对手多是weak nit+weak ABC+偶尔出现的松鱼, 且确实翻后技术不好, 基本是靠缩紧翻前range减少自己的错误.
第三天 打了10/20(5), 因为ante较大相对5/10松一些, 也凶一些. 波动会大一些, 而且对手也出现一些激进选手, 一堆错误.

当然我当时从live转online其实也没怎么适应, 但是数据匿名, 发现确实有些人比我紧太多了.
第四天准备稳定10/20, 但是run的超级惨, 我也不买保险, 直接down了10K. 前三天白打. 思考了下决定从5/10开始慢慢打建立bankroll.
这4天我也下了DPQ, 试打5/10. 后来放弃. 不喜欢的原因如下:
1. 加注操作比较烦人. 不能精确加注,
2. 我的俱乐部全是8人桌...抽水5%, 还要买游戏币.
3. 局也不是很甜, 挺干的.
4. 数据确实摆在台面上.

不能精确加注是主要原因, 我用的是ipad, 操作不方便. 就放弃了.

干脆就打我朋友推荐的这个就好. 选这个也是因为心动了: 我这个朋友, 在1/1, 是losing player!!! 然而打这个圈他确盈利了, 如果以他为坐标, 那么这个局确实甜(事实证明他盈利主要原因是上风). 我这个朋友无online背景, 纯靠live自学成才(我略微指导, 然朽木不可雕, 平常ABC还好, 上起头来就是配送型选手). 如果以后没得打 (这个局头以前在战旗开, 我朋友说战旗倒了, 我搜了下, 发现小圈确实不如DPQ稳), 再换圈也可以.

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

1994474221 (UTG): 101.3 BB (VPIP: 42.81, PFR: 1.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 280)
3066782264 (UTG+1): 109.2 BB (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 9.49, 3Bet Preflop: 1.03, Hands: 478)
Hero (MP): 108.3 BB
3064156798 (MP+1): 444.4 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 2.96, Hands: 569)
2138584184 (CO): 164.8 BB (VPIP: 35.47, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 650)
2572624523 (BTN): 137.8 BB (VPIP: 28.63, PFR: 11.95, 3Bet Preflop: 3.41, Hands: 977)
706025548 (SB): 279.4 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 7.30, 3Bet Preflop: 2.25, Hands: 1,018)
128253673 (BB): 276 BB (VPIP: 27.01, PFR: 6.21, 3Bet Preflop: 3.47, Hands: 2,963)

8 players post ante of 0.2 BB, 706025548 posts SB 0.5 BB, 128253673 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.1 BB) Hero has  A J

1994474221 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, 1994474221 calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (12.1 BB, 2 players)  3 6 J
1994474221 checks, Hero bets 6 BB, 1994474221 calls 6 BB

Turn: (24.1 BB, 2 players)  4
1994474221 checks, Hero bets 24 BB, 1994474221 raises to 90.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 66.6 BB

River: (205.3 BB, 2 players)  9

1994474221 shows  5 7  (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 20%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows  A J  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 59%, Flop 80%, Turn 0%)
1994474221 wins 205.3 BB

简单来说还是自己打的不好吧
对于这种limpping range 25%-30, limp call 60的娱乐玩家, 我的iso size可以更大, 尤其在oop, 锤到8bb左右都可, 隔离出一个单挑, 对手range极度紧缩的底池.
翻后则当对手展现激进的时候放弃自己抓咋牌即可.
对手总的来说有1/5的概率在flop领先鱼one pair, 4/5输钱. 还有可能被我们cooler.
对付这种娱乐玩家, cb 1/3 可能也不是那么有效（强牌可以打光的可以1/3勾引）
或者就是oop x flop 100% 尝试把pot 控制在能call down范围之内.
切不要给对手足够的隐含.  

这个牌turn call>jam吧 虽然river一样被大光
但是对手xr 仍然是真实的牌力 我是不知道对手会limp call很多9x

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

1550554981 (UTG+1): 76.6 BB (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 5.07, 3Bet Preflop: 2.19, Hands: 694)
1843338874 (MP): 66.7 BB (VPIP: 36.43, PFR: 11.88, 3Bet Preflop: 3.91, Hands: 1,044)
963573106 (CO): 141.8 BB (VPIP: 35.26, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.05, Hands: 313)
2756507489 (BTN): 111.4 BB (VPIP: 38.98, PFR: 9.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.75, Hands: 453)
Hero (SB): 95.8 BB
1518047244 (BB): 170.9 BB (VPIP: 33.41, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 5.99, Hands: 437)
3212579309 (UTG): 139.9 BB (VPIP: 19.76, PFR: 14.52, 3Bet Preflop: 8.29, Hands: 498)

7 players post ante of 0.2 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, 1518047244 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.9 BB) Hero has  K A

fold, fold, fold, fold, 2756507489 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, 2756507489 calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (13.4 BB, 2 players)  9 9 A
Hero bets 9.5 BB, 2756507489 calls 9.5 BB

Turn: (32.4 BB, 2 players)  K
Hero bets 17 BB, 2756507489 raises to 34 BB, Hero raises to 80.6 BB and is all-in, 2756507489 calls 46.6 BB

River: (193.6 BB, 2 players)  8

Hero shows  K A  (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 66%, Flop 9%, Turn 9%)
2756507489 shows  9 8  (Full House, Nines full of Eights)
(Pre 34%, Flop 91%, Turn 91%)
2756507489 wins 193.6 BB

co vpip 45 vpip 14
82s+, A4o+, 43s+, 53s+.T9o-K9o+.15% pfr=77+AT+. A7s+, K9s+ KJo QJo, QTs JTs
limp call 77% =410*.71=290 combos
JJ blocker+ flop=Ts8c7s=239 combos.
flop x-r=9%=20 combos.
这里对手有足够的nuts,
2p=J9s, T8s, T7s, 87s (9),
K8ss Q8ss, J8ss, 98ss, 86ss, 85ss, Q9ss, T9s 97s=16.
65ss,

JJ vs 这个range=44.2 vs 55.8, but 这tm是mini-r, 潮湿面, 对手wsdwrf 够低, 我觉得看turn/jam flop都可以, 毕竟我们有足够多的set还挡掉了了天顺.
当然对手never不会有82s. 娱乐玩家 服了

vs 常规range 能call call一枪. call不了flop直接丢. x 也没问题


PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

4182069275 (BTN): 200.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (SB): 98.6 BB
3379607099 (BB): 99.8 BB (VPIP: 46.29, PFR: 13.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.93, Hands: 410)
1108590774 (UTG): 104.6 BB (VPIP: 25.68, PFR: 8.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
2252616643 (MP): 99.7 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 33)
95311544 (CO): 97.5 BB (VPIP: 35.77, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 1,447)

6 players post ante of 0.2 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, 3379607099 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has  J J

fold, fold, 95311544 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, 95311544 calls 4 BB

Flop: (12.2 BB, 2 players)  T 8 7
Hero bets 9.1 BB, 95311544 raises to 21 BB, Hero calls 11.9 BB

Turn: (54.2 BB, 2 players)  2
Hero checks, 95311544 bets 71.3 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.3 BB

River: (196.8 BB, 2 players)  3

Hero shows  J J  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 84%, Flop 83%, Turn 27%)
95311544 shows  8 2  (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)
(Pre 16%, Flop 17%, Turn 73%)
95311544 wins 196.8 BB

回头看river easy fold..88 87 2, A8 好多。赢什么？没炸糊的

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

2668240085 (UTG+1): 142.1 BB (VPIP: 28.28, PFR: 8.23, 3Bet Preflop: 1.44, Hands: 391)
Hero (MP): 204.9 BB
4235677584 (MP+1): 71.8 BB (VPIP: 19.29, PFR: 12.16, 3Bet Preflop: 6.21, Hands: 483)
370274306 (CO): 135.3 BB (VPIP: 42.96, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 136)
248162732 (BTN): 205 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 90)
1804113266 (SB): 71.2 BB (VPIP: 49.48, PFR: 8.25, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 296)
443021796 (BB): 337.9 BB (VPIP: 28.23, PFR: 9.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 210)
51844601 (UTG): 246 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.80, Hands: 766)

8 players post ante of 0.2 BB, 1804113266 posts SB 0.5 BB, 443021796 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.1 BB) Hero has  7 7

fold, 2668240085 raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, 370274306 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (12.1 BB, 3 players)  8 7 A
2668240085 bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, 370274306 raises to 16 BB, fold, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (50.1 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero checks, 370274306 bets 33.4 BB, Hero calls 33.4 BB

River: (116.9 BB, 2 players)  Q
Hero checks, 370274306 bets 82.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 82.7 BB

Hero shows  7 7  (Full House, Sevens full of Eights)
(Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
370274306 shows  8 8  (Four of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
370274306 wins 282.3 BB

27-1
我们从头来算range 看看这个娱乐玩家在flop x-r的range是什么
vpip 31%=414 combos A9o+, 98o+, K2s+.43s 53s 96s+ Q8spfr 8%=A8s+, KJs, QJs, AJo+, limp-r range全部紧缩range.
剩余306 combos

vs 常规iso 对手会defend 67%=205 combos, vs Hero 这样的8bb oop iso,  估计会defend 50%
=150 combos 88-, 43s-JTs, 64s-QTs, J8s, Q8s K8s
Flop=Th5h4d, 剩余131 combos
flop xr range=10%=13 combos

这里假设我们是AcAd
对手flop x-r range=120*0.1=12 combos.
55 44, 54s=8 combos, A4hh 64hh=2 combos, 76hh, 78hh=2 combos,
这个x-r range VS AA=73.6 : 26.4.
所以得出5%=100% set+, 6% flop x-r=set, 2p+ (no any FD), 10%=combo draw+.

AA vs 这个range=fold 100%=optimal play.

Ander_AK 发表于 2017-10-29 02:12
你对all in ev的理解是错误的。
你可以把all in ev理解为一个不能自由存取的银行，2万pot被9%小概率bb， ...

这个运气理解学习啦。。。之前想自己全下基本都是领先的，多数是被BB，后来就想通啦，每一次的中牌，每一次的手牌AA 都是运气的一种形式，只要上桌，运气总是一个平衡状态。

笔记
PFR 6%以下的选手会limp TT-，flop vs 1/3 基本会100% defend.PFR 6%的玩家几乎就是safe ABC, value heavy 趴活选手
limp-call, flop x-r的line 里几乎100%是set
limp-call, flop x-c的range都是capped range
这里就可以剥削:
不需要保护equity的, 强draw都可以1/3剥削, draw可以实现equity
需要保护equity的, weak draw 锤2/3 turn 看board
垃圾牌不要cb 1/3, 对手基本的limp call range基本 100% defend flop 1/3 cb.


翻前open 4bb, EGO 玩家会defend 几乎100% 4x 以下的3b,
ATs这样的牌对手几乎会100% defend


River
xc turn, river=blank, pot size以内, 大概率xc bluff catcher
心里有数的猴子bet bet, 当river card 发的不好的时候基本会放弃咋呼
能打出bbb或者x-2b-b的基本是value lineIP:
1. call, 2bet, c-bet river基本都是强力的value line, 多数猴子在river underbluff的, 选择call, 2bet, x-back give up line.
2. 2bet, xx, c-bet river pot size,
3. c, c, float bet big size

OOP 价值: 1. cbet-cbet-cbet/3bet pre, cb-cb-cb/cb 2/3 cb 2/3 cb 2/3
关键点就是river的bet, 有些人会把不应该极化的range打成极化. 所以你的bluff catcher vs 对手的cb river range就十分的弱.
有人flop turn cb air/semi-bluff, river一旦miss就放弃了, bet bet (hit) bet 确实难丢, 但是还是可以剥削丢.

相对的就是IP
1. flop float bet, cb turn cb river



2. x-r flop, cb turn, cb river
3. xc, xx, river probe pot size.


对手防御line:
c 2/3 c 2/3 c 2/3
cb, cb, xc.
cb, xx, c down (ip)
bet-call, xx, xc.

对手很少打出cb river for bluff的line
比如 bb-cb/c, float b-cb, xx, 2bet-cb, 几乎都是value
ip的c, xx, river float bet pot size也是value


xx-call turn probe-float river
因为对手underbluff, 所以不建议建立一个river-xr的range: xr-bluff 100%被抓, xr-for value 100% 没支付或者只能被对手nuts接住
所以建立一个1/3的blocking/value/bluff range比较好.
常见的87s high flush, 如果river击中且对手range cap没有很多flush, 一定要自己主动donk去拿价值, xc等对手去偷/犯over value的错误是无意义的

oop
x-r+cb+cb
xx-probe bet-cb 很多人turn probe bet river x with bluff catcher, 这种turn probe river bet big size的几乎都是value



PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 530.9 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 115)
MP: 325.1 BB (VPIP: 19.13, PFR: 16.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 115)
CO: 618.7 BB (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.20, Hands: 115)
Hero (BTN): 290.3 BB
SB: 172.2 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 115)
BB: 430.7 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.20, Hands: 149)
UTG: 68.5 BB (VPIP: 51.56, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 64)

7 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.9 BB) Hero has  9 A

fold, UTG+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, CO calls 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (14.9 BB, 3 players)  3 3 9
UTG+1 bets 9.9 BB, CO calls 9.9 BB, Hero calls 9.9 BB

Turn: (44.6 BB, 3 players)  3
UTG+1 checks, CO bets 29.7 BB, Hero calls 29.7 BB, fold

River: (104 BB, 2 players)  6
CO checks, Hero checks

CO shows  5 A  (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 31%, Flop 2%, Turn 3%)
Hero shows  9 A  (Full House, Threes full of Nines)
(Pre 69%, Flop 98%, Turn 97%)
Hero wins 104 BB

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 414.2 BB (VPIP: 30.70, PFR: 22.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 117)
MP: 95 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 117)
CO: 200.7 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 7.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 116)
Hero (BTN): 167.7 BB
SB: 220.9 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 117)
BB: 160.5 BB (VPIP: 22.35, PFR: 10.61, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 271)

6 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has  A A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.7 BB, 2 players)  2 8 K
BB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, BB raises to 10.9 BB, Hero calls 8.4 BB

Turn: (29.5 BB, 2 players)  7
BB bets 19.6 BB, Hero raises to 65.4 BB, BB raises to 146.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 81 BB

River: (322.3 BB, 2 players)  4

BB shows  K A  (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 12%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 88%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)Hero wins 322.3 BB


我的个人总结就是不要尝试
1. 2bet bluff turn, 160BB 对手TPTK不会丢
2. 对手oop 4x-2bet的范围以价值为主, bottom range=TPGK
3. 有些傻逼会奇怪的玩翻前range.

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 206.6 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
BB: 138.5 BB (VPIP: 46.43, PFR: 1.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: 109 BB (VPIP: 41.03, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 39)
UTG+1: 339.7 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 47)
Hero (MP): 156.6 BB
CO: 439 BB (VPIP: 33.90, PFR: 20.34, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 59)
BTN: 214.3 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 59)

7 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.9 BB) Hero has  A A

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9.6 BB, CO calls 9.6 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8.6 BB, fold

Flop: (33.7 BB, 3 players)  9 8 K
BB checks, Hero bets 22.4 BB, CO calls 22.4 BB, fold

Turn: (78.5 BB, 2 players)  6
Hero checks, CO bets 52.3 BB, Hero calls 52.3 BB

River: (183.1 BB, 2 players)  T
Hero checks, CO bets 61 BB, Hero calls 61 BB

Hero shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 88%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO shows  K A  (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 12%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 305.1 BB

PokerStars - $10 Ante $2 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 230.3 BB (VPIP: 26.37, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 93)
CO: 196.7 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 93)
BTN: 211.8 BB (VPIP: 31.11, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 90)
SB: 221 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 139.2 BB
UTG: 467.7 BB (VPIP: 17.98, PFR: 3.37, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 89)
UTG+1: 399.3 BB (VPIP: 17.20, PFR: 8.60, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 93)
MP: 376.7 BB (VPIP: 31.46, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 89)

8 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.1 BB) Hero has  Q K

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (14.1 BB, 3 players)  T J 9
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 9.4 BB, BTN calls 9.4 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, MP+1 calls 26.6 BB, fold

Turn: (95.5 BB, 2 players)  T
Hero bets 95.5 BB, MP+1 raises to 190.1 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 3.5 BB and is all-in

River: (293.5 BB, 2 players)  5

Hero shows  Q K  (Straight, King High)
(Pre 63%, Flop 78%, Turn 0%)
MP+1 shows  T J  (Full House, Tens full of Jacks)
(Pre 37%, Flop 22%, Turn 100%)
MP+1 wins 293.5 BB