怎样利用notes 来narrow 对手range

转一个我在XXXbbs 发的帖。 很多regs, live or on-line have a lot of tells in their bet sizing.  观察仔细一点，很容易读出他们的牌的,  我们就可以把reg 也当鱼抓了, A.K.A. FishReg.

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对手是个tight reg. 1.3k hand history with vpip 11 6 2.3 (play 11% of hand, raise 6%, 3 bet 2.3%)
one of the notes i have on him
"3 bet with pocket Js and check set flop... and pot turn and pot river"

I 3 bet this hand preflop with AQo to isolate MP. Villian flat behind.  He is pretty tight. so he can have JJ QQ AK KK, maybe 1010 KQs and AA. I suspect him to 4 bet most of the time with AA  KK. So these two hand needs to weight less in the range especially AA.

Now on the flop, i didn't hit anything. Vs villian's range, I didn't have much fold equity. He also had fold to c bet 45%, so I was just going to check and give up. he checked behind.

Turn I made top pair, MP check again so i didn't think he had anything. I bet to protect my equity in the pot.  Villian calls. MP folds. River made a flush but otherwise was a blank. I checked (can't seem to get called by worse except KQ. I can also induce some bluffs since my hand is under reped and played like AK.). villian bets half pot. He could have AhKh here or set. But my notes says that he slow play flopped sets but turn on aggression on turn and river. I suspect him to raise me with sets on turn with QQ JJ and probably pot river. with a nut flush, he would also bet pot size for value. With these notes, a lot of hands that beat me down-weighted, JJ QQ AhKh. Since there was only 3 combo of AA out there which he would 4 bet pre most of the time.  The most likely hand he could have is KK with some really
really thin value bet. The rest are bluffs and hands I beat. So I called and he showed a bluff.

Regs has a lot of tell in their sizing. Use it to your advantage.

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Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

UTG+2: $34.00
MP1: $123.55
Hero (MP2): $100.00
CO: $108.55
BTN: $125.65
SB: $140.70
BB: $141.70
UTG: $40.00
UTG+1: $431.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with A Q
3 folds, MP1 raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, CO calls $10, 3 folds, MP1
calls $7

Flop: ($31.50) 5 J 2 (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($31.50) Q(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $14.00, CO calls $14, MP1 folds

River: ($59.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30.00, Hero calls $30

Final Pot: $119.50
Hero shows A Q
CO shows A K
Hero wins $116.50
(Rake: $3.00)

很精彩的分析啊，尤其RIVER没有位置，牌面又有FLUSH，
为什么CALL对手的BET，分析得很精彩

各位多看英文，权当学习了！打poker英文好有很多优势的！

ok. I don't mind if you guys keep spewing real stuffs , but this post seems not much value for me. g ...
monox0 发表于 2011-1-6 12:37

obviously villian played very bad. Can't expect too much from fishreg.  
Preflop,  i would 4 bet with AK.  If I can't 4 bet here because of 3 better's stats, i will just fold~~~
as played,  has to bet flop here.  
turn is probably a fold especially after checking the flop.

回复 20# zephyr


    这话说的多好啊。真实在。——怎么感觉自己有点“吹捧”的嫌疑。 好在不是互相吹捧，是我单向吹捧。

怕看英文的朋友们，其实大可不必。你想啊，关于打牌的词和说法也就那么一小撮，而且又每天要见个好几次的，很容易就混个脸熟了。再说，除了这个坛子，外面好多关于Poker的好东西还是英文的偏多，比如原版书，2+2论坛之类的，适当学点儿英文，值啊，万一将来去WSOP了，也好适应啊。

ok. I don't mind if you guys keep spewing real stuffs , but this post seems not much value for me. given the ex followed.
V should keep in mind his perceived 3b range,  and thus giving up the river bluff IMO.

That's what I mentioned recently, that do not want to miss any chance to win everypot, could be a big leak for many REGs.

For this case, this is an absolute good chance to check down. (for give up purpose as well as value)   I suppose Hero call with a J, so I may value bet my Qx

原来被人吹捧感觉确实不一样.. 你这一说, 我马上有点轻飘飘了... 怪不得人人都喜欢吹牛~~~~我也不能脱俗啊 ...
windstormm 发表于 2011-1-6 09:06

这吹捧并非总是贬义... 我是衷心谢谢donot的赞扬(不就是吹捧另一种说法吗?).. 给我很多发帖的动力~~~

最喜欢看墙和风暴吵架
最近风暴有点少和墙吵架了

原来被人吹捧感觉确实不一样.. 你这一说, 我马上有点轻飘飘了... 怪不得人人都喜欢吹牛~~~~我也不能脱俗啊 ...
windstormm 发表于 2011-1-5 20:06

风暴你还是有点欠揍啊。好话也有很多种的，有发自真心的赞叹，有诚意的感激，当然也有阿谀奉承，刻意讨好之类的。首先你自己要去分辨不是么？

其实好话坏话并不以其字面意思为界，说什么都不要紧，关键是说这些话时候心里的态度。并不是忠言才逆耳，并不是敢说反语才是真英雄。为什么你跟墙吵来吵去，大家始终不会介怀你，就是知道你嘴里不管说啥心里都没有恶意。为什么有些人说同样的话，甚至是字面意思上更轻的话，马上就受到不欢迎，就是因为感觉到他们的不良用心。人是有思想，有感觉的，也是将心比心的。有句话说得真好：“路遥知马力，日久见人心。”