PLO上再次看错牌，误打误撞赢了个800刀pot，汗。。。

Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (5 handed) -

BB ($200)
UTG ($311.05)
MP ($136.50)
Button ($684.80)
Hero (SB) ($373.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 8, 9, J
1 fold, MP bets $7, Button calls $7, Hero calls $6, BB raises to $35, MP calls $28, Button calls $28, Hero calls $28

Flop: ($140) 7, 2, 9 (4 players)
Hero bets $138, 2 folds, Button raises to $552, Hero calls $200.75 (All-In)

Turn: ($817.50) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($817.50) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $817.50 | Rake: $2

Results:
Button had Q, A, 10, 6 (high card, Ace).
Hero had J, 8, 9, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $815.50

我打plo经常眼神不好或记错自己牌，这回flop出来792，我以为我有top 2了。我lead out POT，下注完才发现我是不是top 2，我只有一对呀，幸好BB和MP都丢牌了，我开始祈祷Button快丢，快丢呀。。。结果他开始想，用光了他的15秒，又requested TIME了，我打的另外一桌也有这个Button在，那桌他丢牌后直接sit out了，看样子全神贯注想这个792，他时间快到时候allin了，我郁闷呀，于是轮到我requested TIME想了。。。

我想半天，他要是有big draw，我筹码不深，他不需要慎重考虑，直接allin就得了；如果他是top 2或set，flop的draw那么多，他最终能否赢都难讲，钱不多，他也不需要hollywood花时间；如果他中了set＋big draw，我后边也就200多刀，基本pot commited了，他也不用演戏了。打live偶尔会碰到拿nuts后就开始演戏的玩家，也听说过演戏演到被call floor man来计时到最后一秒才allin的。。。想来想去，我觉得他应该只是dry flush draw，才需要另外一桌都sit out来慎重考虑这么久吧，于是我也在时间快用光时候哭着跟了。。。

打完这手牌，赶快跑了，桌上玩家肯定觉得plo里跑来了一条holdem里的超级fish。。。难不成俺还能高级到有deep thinking，借着位置打走sandwich的BB的AAxx，然后留下flush draw和俺allin？

昨天我玩了一会HU PLO， 只玩了一小会儿就发现根本不行，我被变成烤乳猪了

回复 21# asics


谢谢分析，我对两对的打法现在清晰了许多了。。。

另，我还以为jj89,jj79这样牌价值ok，可以在sb跟raise呢，原来还是不对的。其实我是希望作为一个新手我plo能play like a rock，因为我知道在筹码deep的时候，我post flop处理的并不好，看样子我现在离rock还差很多。。。

When I play .05/.1 & .1/.25 PLO, I hardly won with 2 pairs. I am broke now (just don't want to deposit more money). I hope I can win some with Saturday's Freeroll.

very lucky......

回复 19# FreeFree

with the stack sizes in the actual hand, leading out with top two is fine. your spr was just over 2, so you are pot commited with this hand. you can also
let BB cbet. he had only one potsize bet left and would likely put it in with his overpair and you are ahead of his range. even if button raise over the cbet i would still call since he probably just tried to isolate the cbet with pair+draw type hand.

if everyone is deep, say 500 behind, then it would be difficult to play dry top two. i agree with most of what muyir said. I would check and see waht happens. if bb cbets and everyone fold, I would prob checkraise allin. if everyone check to button who is laggy, i might also cr and hope to take it down. easy fold after bet and raise. if it is checked through, no disaster since your hand is weak.

again, the important thing is not how to play top two in sb, but why would you be in this position? you should only be playing strong hand in sb in a multiway 3bet pot, so on 79x flop, if you have top two you should have at least a gutshot to go with it (say jt97ss). play only cards that work well together oop, then you won't be in this predicament. say you have jj97 instead of jj98 so you have top two. it is a fold in sb after a raise.  in late position, you can call with jj97, or reraise if it is jt97ss if you are deep enough.   in deep stack plo, position is everything.

这个。。。没法说，呵呵
今天没打几手牌，就碰到了Top 2 pair的杯具，flop上他的胜率是2％

PokerStars Game #51034415845:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/10/13 23:04:17 CCT [2010/10/13 11:04:17 ET]
Table 'Luisa V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: farcua ($26.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Kezza22 ($59.80 in chips)
Seat 3: crehate ($52.70 in chips)
Seat 4: homeboy27 ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: hero ($99.95 in chips)
Seat 6: willyjr ($37.35 in chips)
willyjr: posts small blind $0.25
farcua: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8h 9c Ac 6h]
Kezza22: folds
crehate: calls $0.50
homeboy27: raises $1 to $1.50
hero: calls $1.50
willyjr: folds
farcua: calls $1
crehate: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Ts Qc 6c]
farcua: checks
crehate: checks
homeboy27: bets $5.95
hero: calls $5.95
farcua: raises $19.15 to $25.10 and is all-in
crehate: folds
homeboy27: calls $17.55 and is all-in
hero: calls $19.15
*** TURN *** [Ts Qc 6c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Qc 6c 7c] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
farcua: shows [Qs 8c Qd 2d] (three of a kind, Queens)
hero: shows [8h 9c Ac 6h] (a flush, Ace high)
hero collected $3.20 from side pot
homeboy27: shows [Qh 4h Ah Tc] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
hero collected $73.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $79.95 Main pot $73.75. Side pot $3.20. | Rake $3
Board [Ts Qc 6c 7c 3d]
Seat 1: farcua (big blind) showed [Qs 8c Qd 2d] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: Kezza22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: crehate folded on the Flop
Seat 4: homeboy27 showed [Qh 4h Ah Tc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 5: hero (button) showed [8h 9c Ac 6h] and won ($76.95) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: willyjr (small blind) folded before Flop

回复 18# muyir


我当时自以为Top 2 lead out Pot, 是因为pot138，而BB和MP都只有100多了，只希望button深筹码的最好没hit到flop,是不是如果俺真有dry top2,在这样筹码分布情况下，俺也不该lead out么？

我想问下，你说如果我真是dry top 2，假设所有player包括我自己都deep，都至少还有5、600刀behind，那flop我在sb该如何处理呢？当成drawing hand打？可这变fullhouse的概率就跟追gun shot一样渺茫；当成made hand打，说大不大说小还不小，我筹码不算很多时候常top 2输光给set。更别提就算现在ahead，未来要沦落的下场了！

dry top 2还是要看flop的structure吧。比如heavy wet的，碰到raise，对手有flush加pair的range，有wrap draw的range，碰到这两种你会稍微落后，但是考虑到已经砸进去的钱，你没有fold ev，只有硬着头皮进。
说是在的，我不是很喜欢这种打法，因为这是多人锅。除非我剩下的钱只有一个pot。否则我会check，看看后面人怎么反应，如果一个人bet，其余人fold，我可以shove，HU不是很怕。如果一个人bet，另一个raise，很可能一个strong draw，一个set，这时候我会直接fold。如果大家都check，看看下一张也不是坏事情，毕竟你是two pair不是top set，没那么可惜。
反之，如果flop非常dry，因为没有位置，donk问题不大，不过碰到raise要非常小心，非常dry的board，对手除了set很难想象有什么东西能raise你。即使是btm set，你也落后不少。

top 2虽然比bottom set小，但是有个奇怪的区别，set over set的情况在plo上屡见不鲜，但是top 2却拿了另外两种set的blocker，所以我似乎总迷茫觉得top 2比bottom set要安全一点点。。。
我没位置，难道我pot flop, check fold turn？check call flop，check fold turn？check raise flop，打allin 进去，然后输光给set或drawing hand? 或者check,如果一家bet，别人都跑路我就call，看turn action见机行事，但是如果有人pot,有人跟，我就fold？或者check fold 在flop上，当作一切没发生？

top 2碰到top或middle set，我也碰到国不少次。这种只能靠看对手形象了，比较solid我信。C/R频率太高的，CB太多，float太多的，我就不信。他真中了，我只能认命。

女同学们都还记得我呀，大家都还好么？ 前一阵子的WCOOP彻底颠覆了我的BR，现在偶尔用老插快速升级法玩一玩PLO，即赢个buy-in升一级，有点像卫星赛里的steps。

深筹码里的top2确实很难搞，hand很难再improve，一旦被人追到容易on-tilt

别人都跑路我就call，看turn action见机行事，但是如果有人pot,有人跟，我就fold？或者check fold 在flop上，当作一切没发生？

mm这段话很玄妙，我写到小本子上慢慢研究一下