有人知道些内幕吗？Chinese Cheating at Poker Stars

Chinese Cheating at Poker Stars

A large scale Chinese cheating ring has been discovered operating at the PokerStars' $52 through $108 Double or Nothing sit & gos from the summer of 2009 until February 2010. PokerStars have already agreed to pay $587,000 compensation to those players affected by collusion.


Things started to unfold in public when the user Jane0123 appeared on the 2+2 forum complaining that his account on PokerStars had been unfairly frozen with $10,000 in it. Jane0123 got an icy reception, one user responding, "Ya finally got busted huh? Well it's about time. I sent about 25 emails complaining about you ****ing clowns." Jane0123's Sharkscope data showed that he had played 11,766 DoN's with an average stake of $87 and a profit of $56,300.

It soon became apparent that many of the suspected cheaters dominated the DoN Leaderboard on PokerStars. The nickname wudiyg was the site's biggest winner at DoN games in 2009 with a profit of $96,000.

The total sum won by the suspected ring is somewhere around $750,000. Often half of the players in any given game have been part of the ring, most of them coming from the Chinese town of Hangzhou. Several dozens of players are involved.

Users on 2+2 accuse PokerStars of not acting as decisively as they could have in investigating the cheating. However, the company have started paying compensation to affected players. Approximately $85,000 in cash or FPP have been confiscated from the cheaters, but since the total sum to be paid is $587,000 at this point, it's obvious PokerStars will have to pay most of it themselves.

Many players are not happy with the compensation promised or already paid to them. The user Simplicity8 says, "I've played about 7000 $52-$108 dons in the first 6 weeks of 2010. I kind of felt like something was up, but I assumed I was a losing player and just gave up. If true, this makes me pretty sick as they have not only just stolen money from me, but they have taken away future earning power from me. I was on a pretty nice pace to hit SNE (Supernova Elite)."

According to some calculations, the cheaters have generated $600,000 rake to PokerStars. While users on 2+2 admit that DoN's are an easy target for colluders and such collusion can be difficult to detect, others say that the cheating happened on such a scale and duration that PokerStars' security should have put their sensors up much sooner.

Investigation is still ongoing, but many suspect that so is the cheating possibly by another group of Chinese players. In recent weeks a lot of players from the Wenzhou area in China have joined the $52 through $108 DoN's on the site.

肯定是作弊的

作弊的空间很大，但不知道她是不是真的作弊了。

發表一些看法:
1. DoN相較於 傳統SNG / Cash Game更容易入手,  很容易就訓練出一批人出來(甚至是訓練一批下線來打fpp)
2. pokerstars don $1 到 $100 也才 6個級別,  每個像樣一點的grinder都是同時開個10~20桌, 同桌有兩個以上的中國人很常見.
3. 佛山 Stud幫、 NL25 sss (allin or fold)集團,人數也不少, 為何被舉報那麼多次而還沒封號? 一定是做到誠實打牌讓ps無話可說.
4. 真的要怪的話, 作弊的那幾個老鼠屎 錯在6成以上,  ps 調查人員無法分辨don作弊成員 2成,  2p2 那些敲邊鼓的外國人也給個兩成吧.

我个人的看法是这些中国牌手绝大多数都没有故意去作弊

但是比如另一个账号他认识，也是中国人，在圈边的时候往往会有比如“都是中国人，让着他一点就算了”、“中国人不打中国人”之类的心态。

可是这样一来，整个中国群体相对整个大环境而言，就产生了相对优势。那个人DON的ROI是4%，就赢了十万美金了。如果不让这点，比如要是因为不让而变成了ROI 2%，那不就少了5万美金么？

DON 108的温州男。。。这么厉害的数据。。。如果是作弊得来的，就有点太恶心了

ls的同学和我交手过么？我哥们说的是我以前的帐号仍在调查中。你可能打得不算多，事实上在今年初那次风波中，绝大部分20.8-104级别中国籍reg都被封号调查。我相信真正作弊串通的只是一小部分人，大部分人都是安分守己的在打牌。don本身制度的缺陷造成作弊的易发，而很多复杂情况的牌例很难判定牌手的出发点是否公正。从这一点来说，ps的安全部门的确缺乏don专业性的审核调查能力。回到你前面说的ps通情达理，我也同意你的看法，从总体来说，ps应该是各个方面都可以给玩家提供最好环境的平台。但是对国人的差别对待，don事件还是反映得比较明显。这也不能给ps戴上种族主义的帽子。很多事情我们自己的确应该反省，不仅仅是扑克道德，包括多帐户，刷红利等等很多国人玩家还在乐此不疲的行为正不断影响着我们整个群体的声誉。don事件已经告一段落，今后国人玩家不能同桌，有能力的自然会继续打，成绩再好也不怕引起非议甚至被冤枉错杀，本来靠串通才能生存那些害群之马自然也会逐渐消失。风波总算可以消停，只是造成的恶劣影响已经无法抹去。

你分到钱当然觉得客服很同情达理，但是另一个分到几k刀的牌友也同样认为PS对DON密谋事件没有鉴别能力，这和分没分到钱没什么关系。既然你说到Aceking828，他刚好是我哥们，我和你同样认为他没有作弊，但是他的账号一直被PS调查审核中，我正是看到了PS发给他的信，才觉得PS缺乏鉴别DON密谋的能力。