这深筹码的AK到底有什么用

AK论实力，其实真不怎么样。

如果翻前全进，他落后于所有的对子。你说他翻牌中了就厉害了，这话虽然没错，可太见光死。别人知道你中了，又跑得远远的，翻牌后不好赢钱。
然后成顺子能力有很差。

可AK确实是好牌，他的真正意义到底在哪里呢。

且听下回分解。

伟大的墙 发表于 2014-4-27 22:48
当翻牌前acrion很大，深筹码最怕的就是有人拿了AA翻牌前全进。真有人翻前全进，别说QQ，就是KK可能都会扔掉 ...

问题是怎么大干呢

后位，有人open当然3bet不说

如果你是前位或者limp到你，你总不能上来就15BB+吧，如果正常5-10BB，翻后C bet同样有一个平衡的问题

估计要多拿中对子做类似open

柏木雪狐 发表于 2014-4-30 09:11
这个意思是说面对好手REG的btn 3-bet不4bet而是Just call么

没位置会很难打吧，要donk bet吗

原文说的是我们在BTN，某好手在Blind 3 Bet，我们平Call可获得更多价值。
你说的对。面对好手，我们又没位置，这种弹性很大的牌难打极了，还不如翻前4Bet 把他吓走的好。

吹牛无罪 发表于 2014-4-29 01:53
One of the most common misunderstandings of hand categorization comes when a player raises AK on t ...

这个意思是说面对好手REG的btn 3-bet不4bet而是Just call么

没位置会很难打吧，要donk bet吗

gulugulubing 发表于 2014-4-29 22:07
多写指点 可是后面半句倒是很理解，前半句还是不太懂。。。。为啥FLOP有Q了，对手手里没Q，弃牌率也很小 ...

Q是张很有趣的牌。
有它的，会觉得它很大很大，等闲舍不得放手。
没它的，会觉得它也没啥大不了，不怕不怕啦。

吹牛无罪 发表于 2014-4-29 21:23
AK 遇到 翻牌 有Q 的情况，胜率急剧下降到35%以下，而且无论对手手里有Q或者没Q，弃牌率都小。就算转牌  ...

多写指点 可是后面半句倒是很理解，前半句还是不太懂。。。。为啥FLOP有Q了，对手手里没Q，弃牌率也很小呢（而FLOP没Q，对手弃牌率就大么？）

gulugulubing 发表于 2014-4-29 18:48
小弟愚钝 也不知道自己领会的对不对，您的意思是 出现Q  high的FLOP时 很大的可能是帮助了本来和AK差不多 ...

AK 遇到 翻牌 有Q 的情况，胜率急剧下降到35%以下，而且无论对手手里有Q或者没Q，弃牌率都小。就算转牌 出 A 或者 K， 也不敢放手大打，因为对手AQ、KQ的比重极大。所以AK  翻牌 遇Q，不宜CBET。  

吹牛无罪 发表于 2014-4-29 01:53
One of the most common misunderstandings of hand categorization comes when a player raises AK on t ...

小弟愚钝 也不知道自己领会的对不对，您的意思是 出现Q  high的FLOP时 很大的可能是帮助了本来和AK差不多甚至还不如AK的牌 所以AK就没多大价值了么？

gulugulubing 发表于 2014-4-28 18:28
打跑QQ么 各位大神讨论的太热烈 小弟看得云里雾里...

One of the most common misunderstandings of hand categorization comes when a player raises AK on the button and is 3-bet from the blinds by a good regular. The inclination is to push our hand into the premium value category and raise. This is almost certainly the correct play if we think he’s capable of continuing with worse hands after a 4-bet (5-bet shoving AQ, for example, or spazzing out and shoving a random bluff). However, if he’s not, AK actually usually rests in the top of our medium value range. It becomes a great time to call. Then, on almost any A or K high flop, our hand becomes premium and we can raise for value. Or, on any low flop, our hand finds itself often in the medium value category and we can call. One of the reasons that AK still has medium value, even when it misses the flop, is the value of its equity. Not only would turning an A or K almost certainly be enough to win the pot, but against an aggressive opponent, a turned A or K almost always earns us another big bet. Whether our opponent holds a hand like AJ and is value-owning himself, or whether he holds a hand like QJ and is bluffing it off, turning an A or K is incredibly profitable. This keeps us high in the medium value category even when we completely miss the flop. In 3-bet pots, the only types of flops where AK isn’t in either the medium or high value categories are usually Queen-high. The Q often reduces our equity just enough to put us into the low value category.

gulugulubing 发表于 2014-4-28 18:28
打跑QQ么 各位大神讨论的太热烈 小弟看得云里雾里...

不是打跑QQ AK在有Q的牌面 不适合cbet