假如是您,怎样处理这手牌？

最近去拉斯维加斯打了一场比赛，其中有一把牌跟Phil Ivey扛上了。我当时的打法不一定正确，很想知道其他同学的打法。

其他人都Fold

David:小盲 K10o

Phil:大盲 QJo

Flop:KQJ
Turn:10
River:3

不管我的打法错或对,将会原本的告知大家。希望得到更多的啟发...

David Chiu 发表于 2009-12-5 08:23
An important concept to understand is that hand values change dramatically when the pot becomes head ...

turn上bet很精彩。牌面凶险，位置不力，中了两对这样有showdown价值的牌面，在还没有完全套池的时候多数人恐怕要check了。但面对后面phil这样丧心病狂的对手，check不但得不到信息，而且基本失去这个锅了。我的问题是turn上bet尺度是否有点大？这样的牌面牌力两级分化，bet这么大有点像强烈表示自己有a，赶走对手的意思。phil可能是感觉到这点才跟了这么大一注。phil与其到河牌bluff，还不如在turn上动手，读准老邱没a推掉。个人认为turn上bet小一点可能更好，三分之一池底左右，这样更像有a

前面步骤会一致，最后rive check raise light 会不会更好？因为已经对手的牌力已经较能确定，更容易拿下pot和决策吧？

因为邱先生说：
我的观望可以引来P.Ivey的诈唬，我的下注只能被比KT更强的牌跟，所以我的下注是没有价值的。但是P.Ivey可能会试想把我吓跑，如果我给他这个机会。

所以给了bluff的机会后call不划算，raise才更能扩大收益不用摊牌吧？

[quote="windstormm":16su7rrz]look like Ivey is putting David on Kx (x<9). His river bet is only 1/3 pot and clearly a value bet not a bluff.  He certainly think he is ahead. Because David will not miss the opportunity to value bet river if he has got straight. same reason for david's call, Ivey probably will raise turn with a straight. It would suck to slow play the straight and board paired up on river.  When David checks river, he definitely can't fold to a 1/3 pot bets. My only question to David is will you call an all in bet on river from Ivey? Or pot size? What size of bets were you planning to call up to?

it is a bluff for sure. once David checks the river, Ivey knows that David doesnt have the Ace, so a big part of David's range is two pair type hands, such as KQ, KJ etc or a total bluff. Ivey thinks his bet can fold most of David's two pair hand, thus, the bet is +ev.
no way David would call Ivey's river bet with only a pair of king. so there is no value in getting worse hand to call.[/quote:16su7rrz]

很有意思。David您认为Ivey的river bet是bluff还是value呢？

[quote="zhzhjgood":2isauojw]这手牌转牌的BET很漂亮。因为估算对手牌力范围里没A，那么BET就没问题。在对手眼里。邱前辈的牌有A的可能性是不能忽略的。这样BET不但可以得到一点点的价值跟注，同时或许也可以打走一些比自己强的牌。比如KQ KJ或其他的卡顺听牌。或通过下注弄清楚自己的位置。判断出现可能性很小的比自己牌力大的牌，比如A牌或有9的牌。或SET（虽然可能性很小）。毕竟不能百分百确认对手没A没9没SET。另外转牌BET的一个好处是可以自己来控制POT。也可以看成锁筹码BET。毕竟没了位置。转牌如果让牌了对手来BET来控制POT会非常艰难。

问题就是，转牌bet，河牌check，就是没有A了。对手的9可以放心大胆的value bet你，再混淆以部分bluff来balance。

可以说老邱要做出最好的决策很难，而ivey几乎怎么做问题都不大。ivey cehck river和bet river都没亏。而老邱的call则比较艰难，一个不慎就会做出错误的决定

这里老邱的两对check call river可不是一个easy call[/quote:2isauojw]


主要是还是OUT OF POSITION.

这手牌转牌的BET很漂亮。因为估算对手牌力范围里没A，那么BET就没问题。在对手眼里。邱前辈的牌有A的可能性是不能忽略的。这样BET不但可以得到一点点的价值跟注，同时或许也可以打走一些比自己强的牌。比如KQ KJ或其他的卡顺听牌。或通过下注弄清楚自己的位置。判断出现可能性很小的比自己牌力大的牌，比如A牌或有9的牌。或SET（虽然可能性很小）。毕竟不能百分百确认对手没A没9没SET。另外转牌BET的一个好处是可以自己来控制POT。也可以看成锁筹码BET。毕竟没了位置。转牌如果让牌了对手来BET来控制POT会非常艰难。

问题就是，转牌bet，河牌check，就是没有A了。对手的9可以放心大胆的value bet你，再混淆以部分bluff来balance。

可以说老邱要做出最好的决策很难，而ivey几乎怎么做问题都不大。ivey cehck river和bet river都没亏。而老邱的call则比较艰难，一个不慎就会做出错误的决定

这里老邱的两对check call river可不是一个easy call

这手牌转牌的BET很漂亮。因为估算对手牌力范围里没A，那么BET就没问题。在对手眼里。邱前辈的牌有A的可能性是不能忽略的。这样BET不但可以得到一点点的价值跟注，同时或许也可以打走一些比自己强的牌。比如KQ KJ或其他的卡顺听牌。或通过下注弄清楚自己的位置。判断出现可能性很小的比自己牌力大的牌，比如A牌或有9的牌。或SET（虽然可能性很小）。毕竟不能百分百确认对手没A没9没SET。另外转牌BET的一个好处是可以自己来控制POT。也可以看成锁筹码BET。毕竟没了位置。转牌如果让牌了对手来BET来控制POT会非常艰难。

guess will have to ask Ivey himself  to find out... [s:167]

Either way, bot are very aggressive on a dangerous board.  Both are willing to go broke on a 2 pair.  学习了. 真凶啊..

look like Ivey is putting David on Kx (x<9). His river bet is only 1/3 pot and clearly a value bet not a bluff.  He certainly think he is ahead. Because David will not miss the opportunity to value bet river if he has got straight. same reason for david's call, Ivey probably will raise turn with a straight. It would suck to slow play the straight and board paired up on river.  When David checks river, he definitely can't fold to a 1/3 pot bets. My only question to David is will you call an all in bet on river from Ivey? Or pot size? What size of bets were you planning to call up to?

it is a bluff for sure. once David checks the river, Ivey knows that David doesnt have the Ace, so a big part of David's range is two pair type hands, such as KQ, KJ etc or a total bluff. Ivey thinks his bet can fold most of David's two pair hand, thus, the bet is +ev.
no way David would call Ivey's river bet with only a pair of king. so there is no value in getting worse hand to call.

look like Ivey is putting David on Kx (x<9). His river bet is only 1/3 pot and clearly a value bet not a bluff.  He certainly think he is ahead. Because David will not miss the opportunity to value bet river if he has got straight. same reason for david's call, Ivey probably will raise turn with a straight. It would suck to slow play the straight and board paired up on river.  When David checks river, he definitely can't fold to a 1/3 pot bets. My only question to David is will you call an all in bet on river from Ivey?  What size of bets were you planning to call up to?