Zoom专题讨论

刷这个贴,想让为数不多的仍在打ZOOM的朋友们一起在这里讨论.共享一下心得和各种问题. 希望大家不要藏私,探讨有助于进步.

影响盈利的因素之一:情绪化.
因为这个已经不知道损失了多少钱,  心理素质太差真的是个大问题.  

症状一:易怒, 喜欢怼人.今天又和人怼上了.

起因是这么几手牌,
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 136.76 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): 118.36 BB
BB: 263.6 BB (VPIP: 20.18, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 583)
UTG: 104.48 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 44.64 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 42.8 BB (VPIP: 22.79, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 141)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players)  5 9 5
Hero checks, BB bets 3.16 BB, Hero calls 3.16 BB

Turn: (12.32 BB, 2 players)  J
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (12.32 BB, 2 players)  7
Hero bets 8 BB, BB raises to 22 BB, Hero raises to 112.2 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 53.8 BB

Thai Bang Wa said, "u r so fkg lucky"
Thai Bang Wa said, "not good, but lucky"
Thai Bang Wa: folds


这么轻微的diss还不至于上头, 但是我关注了一下他ID,决定轻微地搞他几下.


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 60.12 BB (VPIP: 28.35, PFR: 13.39, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 129)
Hero (SB): 111.84 BB
BB: 96.84 BB (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 31)
UTG: 255.76 BB (VPIP: 20.20, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 2.62, Hands: 710)
MP: 113.76 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 2,681)
CO: 152.68 BB (VPIP: 13.71, PFR: 6.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 199)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T T

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players)  7 5 J
Hero checks, UTG bets 3.68 BB, Hero calls 3.68 BB

Turn: (14.36 BB, 2 players)  Q
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (14.36 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero bets 6.88 BB, fold

Hero wins 13.72 BB





PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 669.96 BB (VPIP: 20.06, PFR: 12.85, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 725)
SB: 68.72 BB (VPIP: 48.12, PFR: 30.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 138)
BB: 190.52 BB (VPIP: 26.80, PFR: 20.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 625)
UTG: 103.88 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
MP: 103.08 BB (VPIP: 35.23, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 89)
Hero (CO): 173.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, BTN calls 2.48 BB, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (7.84 BB, 3 players)  4 7 J
BB checks, Hero bets 2.24 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero raises to 29 BB, fold

Hero wins 24.68 BB


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 135.08 BB (VPIP: 24.08, PFR: 19.74, 3Bet Preflop: 9.55, Hands: 1,808)
SB: 207.6 BB (VPIP: 20.46, PFR: 13.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.55, Hands: 619)
Hero (BB): 450.52 BB
UTG: 205.76 BB (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.60, Hands: 307)
MP: 238.88 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 40)
CO: 143.2 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 23.94, 3Bet Preflop: 9.76, Hands: 144)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (4.96 BB, 2 players)  3 6 7
SB checks, Hero bets 2.36 BB, fold

Hero wins 4.72 BB


几乎每打一手,都要喷我几句.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.12, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.35, Hands: 1,763)
SB: 152.68 BB (VPIP: 24.58, PFR: 21.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.19, Hands: 362)
BB: 112.76 BB (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 20.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.86, Hands: 699)
UTG: 219.92 BB (VPIP: 21.08, PFR: 13.31, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 777)
Hero (MP): 126.04 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 209)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J K

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players)  5 3 9
UTG bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players)  7
UTG bets 9.12 BB, Hero calls 9.12 BB

River: (35.64 BB, 2 players)  4
Thai Bang Wa said, "do u ever fold, donkey ?"
Thai Bang Wa: bets $4.68
hero: raises $22.55 to $27.23 and is all-in
Thai Bang Wa said, "no u always suck out"
Thai Bang Wa said, "i hope u know how bad u are"
Thai Bang Wa said, "i flopped a set"
Thai Bang Wa said, "and you suck out after 2 terrible calls"
Thai Bang Wa said, "pls get cancer and die, chinese idiot"
Thai Bang Wa: folds


到了这手,我在屏幕前贱笑,  叫你TMD骂我.

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5 6

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players)  3 4 2
BB checks, Hero bets 4.48 BB, CO raises to 13 BB, fold, Hero raises to 104.88 BB and is all-in, CO calls 91.88 BB

Turn: (219.16 BB, 2 players)  K

River: (219.16 BB, 2 players)  A

Hero shows  5 6  (Straight, Six High)
(Pre 52%, Flop 63%, Turn 77%)
CO shows  2 2  (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 48%, Flop 37%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 211.16 BB


一旦和人怼上, 扑克的目的(赢钱)这事就扔一边去了,脑子里只有一个念头,怼死他. 今天这个对手比较菜(看图), 怼赢了,就感觉特别舒坦,牌也不想打了.
有时碰上狠渣子,硬上, 自己就会输得很惨,特别上头.

心态坏了还谈什么技术~太年轻了···

打个扑克容易吗.                前几天调整了hud, 今天看见PT4主页有款Propoker huds.  看看和我hud设置思路一样,果断买了一个199.99刀.              刚才用了半小时,   要人命啊,  满屏花花绿绿, 眼睛被晃瞎.

发两手牌. 一手好,一手坏.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 114.4 BB
SB: 64.68 BB
BB: 172.76 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 96.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 99.08 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
CO: 65.96 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 84)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  3 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players)  K 8 3
BB checks, Hero bets 1.52 BB, BB raises to 6.04 BB, Hero calls 4.52 BB

Turn: (17.44 BB, 2 players)  T
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (41.44 BB, 2 players)  6
BB checks, Hero bets 39.56 BB, BB calls 39.56 BB

Hero shows  3 3  (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 49%, Flop 34%, Turn 20%)
BB shows  T 7  (Flush, King High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 66%, Turn 80%)
BB wins 115.12 BB

上面这手我觉得打得挺好, 河牌下注的尺寸在2/3 和1pot 之间犹豫好一会.  似乎满POT好一些.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 1,094)
SB: 112.16 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 22.19, 3Bet Preflop: 9.17, Hands: 2,820)
BB: 78.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 32.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (MP): 127.12 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.69, PFR: 17.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 293)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  9 9

fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players)  2 6 8
BB checks, Hero bets 1.52 BB, BB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BB

Turn: (17.36 BB, 2 players)  5
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (35.36 BB, 2 players)  9
BB bets 20.44 BB, Hero calls 20.44 BB

BB shows  7 A  (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 20%)
Hero mucks  9 9  (Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 80%)
BB wins 72.8 BB

这手错误的起因很搞笑,  新上的hud内容太多很占地方,一会遮住btn的标志,一会遮住对方的下注,一会遮住对方后手筹码. 边打边调,这手当时看不到对方筹码量, 转牌只能跟注.      翻牌除了set全是诈唬,正常对上短筹码转牌一定会R出去,可以拿57,67,78等的价值.     转牌只是跟的话,河牌我基本上跟注100%的河牌.

为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....

以下几手都在同一轮.  10分钟内的事情

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: 77.24 BB (VPIP: 18.02, PFR: 15.62, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 339)
BB: 209.64 BB (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 8.79, 3Bet Preflop: 1.25, Hands: 183)
Hero (UTG): 133.36 BB
MP: 162.6 BB
CO: 163.08 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K T

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players)  4 5 9
Hero bets 2.12 BB, MP raises to 7.8 BB, Hero raises to 24.8 BB, MP calls 17 BB

Turn: (57 BB, 2 players)  6
Hero bets 28 BB, MP calls 28 BB

River: (113 BB, 2 players)  Q
Hero bets 77.56 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.56 BB

Hero shows  K T  (High Card, King)
(Pre 61%, Flop 79%, Turn 20%)
MP shows  8 7  (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 21%, Turn 80%)
MP wins 260.12 BB

我不认为有人会用78s平跟UTG OPEN,  不认为78hh应该raise flop, 更不认为78会call 3bet.  为这个印尼NOOB点赞,我应该先看下他的国籍.  第一次碰到印尼人, 应该了解印尼人还没有聪明到可以打扑克.  @#$$%^(&.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 41.18, 3Bet Preflop: 36.36, Hands: 36)
Hero (SB): 123.36 BB
BB: 38.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 88.44 BB (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 13.15, 3Bet Preflop: 1.33, Hands: 222)
MP: 96.2 BB (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 65)
CO: 149.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 38.56 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 29.56 BB

Flop: (80.12 BB, 2 players)  J 6 J

Turn: (80.12 BB, 2 players)  2

River: (80.12 BB, 2 players)  T

Hero shows  K A  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 62%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
BB shows  7 T  (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 38%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)
BB wins 76.52 BB

可能是加拿大人比较有钱吧,  微级别的加拿大ID没有一个会打牌的.一个都没有.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 108.68 BB (VPIP: 25.62, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.82, Hands: 290)
BB: 155 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 8.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 83)
MP: 43.6 BB (VPIP: 18.35, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 333)
Hero (CO): 103.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  4 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero raises to 103.84 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 93.84 BB

Flop: (217.68 BB, 2 players)  T 2 2

Turn: (217.68 BB, 2 players)  A

River: (217.68 BB, 2 players)  4

BB shows  K K  (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 78%, Flop 93%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows  4 5  (Two Pair, Fours and Twos)
(Pre 22%, Flop 7%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 209.68 BB

  BB的cold call让我摸不太准, ,99-jj居多. 我已经怒不可扼, 推TMD.


再轮到小盲.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 111.56 BB (VPIP: 26.40, PFR: 19.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 128)
Hero (SB): 108.84 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 102.28 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 252.08 BB (VPIP: 16.19, PFR: 14.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 108)
CO: 123.96 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 20.20, 3Bet Preflop: 13.16, Hands: 206)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.56 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN raises to 111.56 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 99.84 BB and is all-in

Flop: (218.68 BB, 2 players)  9 8 2

Turn: (218.68 BB, 2 players)  Q

River: (218.68 BB, 2 players)  7

Hero shows  J J  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 9%)
BTN shows  Q Q  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 91%)
BTN wins 210.68 BB

小盲对BTN,永不停歇的互偷.  

4个买入也就一根烟的功夫

后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~   第1手牌 你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是MP1，mp2  用同花call你好正常的，换做我可能大多数时候3BET 你， 这里关键是对方在flop里面raise你了，我自己有个原则，当对手翻牌后raise我时我会慢下来思考一下对手的范围，这里raise你的范围里面肯定有SET，你也不是坚果同花听，即便对手是比你小的同花，你的正常outs 都没有到9，call 就好了 因为对手已经展示了他的强硬，你也没有位置，又非坚果兆我不支持打光所以call，TURN  同样的 不想打光就控制底池，river  要看你诈唬频率，一般刹车了··不要想拿下每个底池；第3手情绪化了；第4手JJ 我不想push的  所有不会3bt nl25我只有两手半~3手牌翻前打光，nl200以上4手翻牌光~

一条街价值诈频 发表于 2017-12-19 22:32
后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~   第1手牌 你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是M ...

谢评论. 有讨论才有进步

UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全是在烧钱, 不太可能打出+EV. 拿来3bet EV也很有限(我尝试过5万手,真不赚钱),当然每个人体系可能不一样.  不管什么体系,在MP跟注EP,基本上就是排除顶端3%左右了.  小对子,AT/Js这些占了很大比例.  

KdTd 是我EP最底端,肯定是要fold给preflop 3bet.   然而对MP来说在这个flop r for value的牌实在太少了,只有SET,45s. 所以我认为非常不合理. A5,66,77,88,9Ts,TT,JJ等等一些中等的牌也可能会用来半诈唬,毕竟他有位置,后面可以顺利摊牌.而这个牌面对UTG来说并不太有利.     而我的range里有太多超对, 只有很少7-8个flush draw的诈唬.   所以我认为3bet 更好.  我只需要诈唬走他9X,66-88等.   我计划要在转牌overbet全进, 但是这个6不太有利, 这时对超对来说全进显得不太合理. 河牌还算不错.所有9X,88肯定都跟不动了.  

他如果用88 hero call, 我可能会反醒是不是形象和数据有问题了. 78我真的只想抽他.

JJ,这手是他push我,  当然他不推我也要推的.    我的体系里4bet出去时大概有40%都是诈唬(抽空我截图出来给大家看),所以我3bet很少诈唬.
你只用3手牌4bet+打光. 那说明你做3bet时诈唬的比例太高了.   你可以回想看是不是被4bet的频率非常高.

傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-12-19 21:23
为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....

以下几手都在同一轮.  10分钟内的事情

一首歌送给PS

把你的st8,我的flush串一串

串一株幸运草  串一个同心圆

让所有期待EV的呼唤, 和胜率做个伴.

向PS大声的呼唤说声弄啥咧

向那流浪的EV说声我想你

让那黄线听得见,让那绿线看得见

谁也擦不掉我曾攒下的EV.

想带你一起看曲线问声你想干啥

给我再多的badbeat说声我不怕

听听绿线的誓言,看看执着的黄线

让我们 一起干翻他们吧.

傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-12-19 23:17
谢评论. 有讨论才有进步

UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全 ...

9人桌拿掉前3个位置，所谓UTG就是mp1 mp2,少人桌更需要激进,所有6人桌所谓UTG  kj+  at + 所有对子  45s+ 甚至隔一张的小sc   去openriase（需依据后位置激进度调整）  很正常 所以MP2可以激进的raise  你若没想到这层范围 那你下次应该去考虑了；至于中间你讨论的翻牌后范围，你没位置应该考虑SET最起码的  他是call你的 ，所以我和你不同在我非坚果兆，是以防守为主  先立于不败考虑  ，你总是无频率激进需要控制；至于你说我的 3bet  过多那是真的 ，我在微小级别里面3bet的很多，对手fold 多，直到他们做出调整 ZOOM 里面他们本身也调整的少  fold  的多 ，若被4bet  我会做记号 ，依据频率调整 ，5bet 全压或fold···