輸晒合理嗎？

PokerStars Zoom Hand #113322147910:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2014/03/15 15:53:44 ET
Table 'Thyestes' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mussahpro ($35.70 in chips)
Seat 2: jimmyking18 ($23 in chips)
Seat 3: pokermasurf ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: Iggy S1 ($31.11 in chips)
Seat 5: Mne_doedet14 ($17.24 in chips)
Seat 6: rukidinme82 ($58.55 in chips)
jimmyking18: posts small blind $0.10
pokermasurf: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jimmyking18 [3s 5h Ks 2h]
Iggy S1: folds
Mne_doedet14: raises $0.39 to $0.64
rukidinme82: calls $0.64
mussahpro has timed out while disconnected
mussahpro: folds
jimmyking18: calls $0.54
pokermasurf: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 3h 2s]
jimmyking18: checks
Mne_doedet14: checks
rukidinme82: checks
*** TURN *** [4s 3h 2s] [Jh]
jimmyking18: bets $2.08
Mne_doedet14: calls $2.08
rukidinme82: raises $6.57 to $8.65
jimmyking18: calls $6.57
Mne_doedet14: folds
*** RIVER *** [4s 3h 2s Jh] [3d]
jimmyking18: bets $13.71 and is all-in
rukidinme82: calls $13.71
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jimmyking18: shows [3s 5h Ks 2h] (a full house, Threes full of Deuces)
rukidinme82: shows [Js Jc 7h 6h] (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
rukidinme82 collected $46.97 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $48.97 | Rake $2
Board [4s 3h 2s Jh 3d]
Seat 1: mussahpro (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jimmyking18 (small blind) showed [3s 5h Ks 2h] and lost with a full house, Threes full of Deuces
Seat 3: pokermasurf (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Iggy S1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mne_doedet14 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: rukidinme82 showed [Js Jc 7h 6h] and won ($46.97) with a full house, Jacks full of Threes

送lz个牌谱转化器，这样看着太累了。http://www.handconverter.com/

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2454925
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BTN: $35.70
Hero (SB): $23.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $31.11
MP: $17.24
CO: $58.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 3 5 K 2
1 fold, MP raises to $0.64, CO calls $0.64, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.54, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.17) 4 3 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($2.17) J (3 players)
Hero bets $2.08, MP calls $2.08, CO raises to $8.65, Hero calls $6.57, MP folds

River: ($21.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.71 all in, CO calls $13.71

Final Pot: $48.97
Hero shows 3 5 K 2 (a full house, Threes full of Deuces)
CO shows J J 7 6 (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
CO wins $46.97
(Rake: $2.00)

as played 如果我们在turn 靠的话 当漂亮的3掉在river我们肯定不能fold了
我觉得这牌在turn 应该fold after got raised 夹在中间 还有个未知要做什么的
我是nit 翻牌前 100bb stack 前面一个raise一个call 在小盲位置这牌我会fold

fold pre.

royalflush 发表于 2014-3-16 22:14
as played 如果我们在turn 靠的话 当漂亮的3掉在river我们肯定不能fold了
我觉得这牌在turn 应该fold after ...

turn 被反加，我有double flush draw+2對，能棄一個pot raise嗎？

jimmyking 发表于 2014-3-17 02:33
turn 被反加，我有double flush draw+2對，能棄一個pot raise嗎？

当时回复的时候 没有仔细算过，我当作我们只有K flush draw out of position against two and a pot raise

turn 面对两个人 我们 bet 靠近 pot, 有一个人靠，一个人pot raise。大部人这两个人对手在这里的范围都是强的，我们的小两对肯定是落后的。所以这一手 算是drawing hand, double flush draw + full house draw= 8+8+4 = 20 outs  
但是我们必须discount 某些 outs的
我们两个FD 都是不是 nut 其中一个更是 5 而已 所以面对两个人 discount 9 应该算和理
我们的FH draw 也是最小的 如果其中一个人有set 那么我们 hit 到 会输更多 discount 2 应该合理

现在仔细看 对手其实没有 pot raise, 只是 80%+ pot raise。

所以我们其实就9 outs 而已, 简单的算在river 当我们hit 到 9 outs 的时候 对手一定靠,另一个对手肯定fold turn after 我们靠
=0.8(-6.57)+0.2(6.57+2.08+13.71)=-0.784

这个当然是太过简化的计算，不能完全模拟真实情况。但是如果我选择在pre-flop 玩这手牌，flop 算是好的牌面 我应该会lead bet close to pot instead of check，除非CO的cbet很高，尽管如此我也许也会donk out 因为三人pot CO不一定cbet。

这个牌，仔细想来，对手flop有位置check，然后turn上raise的原因代表什么？
顺子，同花抽，看起来都不太可能。或许是一个极凶的对手拿到了红桃的nut同花抽想把别人打跑？
当然打牌的时候可能想不到这么细

jimmyking 发表于 2014-3-17 02:33
turn 被反加，我有double flush draw+2對，能棄一個pot raise嗎？

reverse implied odds.

其實muyir的問題我有想過，翻4s3h2s ，轉Jh，有甚麼牌會在最後位check flop，repot turn？

我可以肯定講，我沒有牌會這樣打。

有nuts的56XX，在翻後我已經下注。沒有nuts的56XX，轉牌我不會repot。

當然不是所有的對手像我一樣的緊，我認為最大的可能是有56XX的nuts慢打一下翻牌。

但拿著頂暗三的JJXX，我是勢估不到。