再开一贴， 讨论tptk 被raise flop.

actually this is something I have been thinking lately.  when the flop is semi dry/wet you got raise with TPTK. What do you do here when he raise you c bet. Lets say you are out of position. everyone iwth 100$ stack

EP you raise AcKh 3$.  co call. everyoe fold

flop is Kc7s5s.
you c bet 4$ with tptk.. he raise to 12$.. what do you do  here?

3 bet or just call.. if 3 bet he calls what do you do?  if you 3 bet and he come over the top all in do you get it in?
if you call what do you do on turn?



discussion and reasoning?

请大家踊跃发言。。。

i usually call and check and reevaluate turn.  but this is very weak play.  I hate it..

If u 3 bet flop, probably u should be ready to go with it. 3 bet flop then fold is very bad IMO.

3 bet and fold is very bad. i totally agree. but if I call what do we do on turn and river. Are we calling off the whole stack if the flush card doesn't come?  or are we calling turn and fold river shove?

我觉得跟牌再看trun比较好，这么打是很弱，但是3-bet flop好像有点违背小牌小锅的原则。

如果能加入对对手的解读可能更好判断。

it totally depends on the villian. On this board, we prob need to include AK in our 3bet/call range,otherwise our 3bet/call range is going to be set and random two pair (well,if u don't wanna get in AK here then u won't get in AA here also cos it's bascially the same hand on this board).
anyways it's kinda tough to deal with this kind of situation in general, i would prefer to flat if i m in position tho.  But oop,mehh....

恩 很好的一个讨论，往往这种时候是我们的大难题

对手的类型很重要，他的AF，他的VP/PFR都会决定我们的走向

我在那边论坛发过两手AA，一手直接fold，一手3bet get in

沉思一下。

回复 7# lisa


    这是一个有代表性的话题，大家可以踊跃发言，但是请不要灌水，这里警告一下。

我fold，如果对手是鱼，我就allin、

恩 很好的一个讨论，往往这种时候是我们的大难题

对手的类型很重要，他的AF，他的VP/PFR都会决定我们的走 ...
skizzik 发表于 2010-8-25 14:14

    skizzik 兄可不可以把那两把牌的牌局和分析发一下, 或者发在我的msn e-mail 里.. 先谢了..