PLO学习贴

谢谢楼上版主的说解！

打了一段时间PLO，感觉就如muyir总结所言，
PLO输钱最大的原因就是自己OT。
河牌自己明明不是NUTS，面对别人的重注，情绪上头，不舍得仍。

像下面这把牌，输得可够惨的，
对手很凶，每把不管在什么位置，翻牌前都加满进局，
憋了很久了，就想搞他一把，结果最后被他给清了！
PokerStars Game #47322164183:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/07/26 22:55:35 ET
Table 'Klotho II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: donkmcdonk ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: --5sunny ($7.29 in chips)
Seat 3: BESH-LO ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaolin888 ($13.11 in chips)
Seat 5: iwantfood ($18.11 in chips)
Seat 6: 10after10 ($19.63 in chips)
--5sunny: posts small blind $0.02
BESH-LO: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xiaolin888 [6c Jd Kh Qh]
xiaolin888: calls $0.05
iwantfood: raises $0.17 to $0.22
10after10: calls $0.22
donkmcdonk: folds
--5sunny: calls $0.20
BESH-LO: calls $0.17
xiaolin888: calls $0.17
*** FLOP *** [6h 5h Qd]
--5sunny: checks
BESH-LO: checks
xiaolin888: checks
iwantfood: bets $1
10after10 said, "hi besh"
BESH-LO said, "hey"
10after10: folds
--5sunny: calls $1
iwantfood said, "besh says ur gay"
iwantfood said, "and to not talk to him nemore plz"
BESH-LO: folds
xiaolin888: raises $4.05 to $5.05
10after10 said, "there's a moron at this table"
iwantfood said, "well gl on ur draws i have the nuts"
iwantfood: raises $12.15 to $17.20
BESH-LO said, "making friends 10"
--5sunny: folds
xiaolin888: calls $7.84 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($4.31) returned to iwantfood
*** TURN *** [6h 5h Qd] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 5h Qd 4c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xiaolin888: shows [6c Jd Kh Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
iwantfood: shows [5d 7c Qs Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
iwantfood collected $26.49 from pot
iwantfood said, "oh boy"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $27.88 | Rake $1.39
Board [6h 5h Qd 4c 9c]
Seat 1: donkmcdonk (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: --5sunny (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: BESH-LO (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: xiaolin888 showed [6c Jd Kh Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 5: iwantfood showed [5d 7c Qs Qc] and won ($26.49) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: 10after10 folded on the Flop

这手牌，我觉得flop的decision没错，Top 2 pair加second nut flush draw，问题不大，这牌考虑对手的range，肯定是+EV。唯一担心的是另一个对手，他flat call，会不会是nut flush draw。因为这样的board，如果有3个人在，很可能是一个人set，另一个nut flush draw，这样你就draw dead。
preflop可能有点问题，utg的位置，我prefer用small rundown limpin。KQJ6这样的牌limpin，无疑是鼓励后面的人进入，但它不是非常好的适合多人pot。如果KQJT甚至KQJ8，都要好得多。

这手牌应该没有对错之分吧，只能怪自己运气太差
PokerStars Game #47327777216:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/07/27 3:06:40 ET
Table 'Ino II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: maryo124 ($12.73 in chips)
Seat 3: AnKray ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaolin888 ($4.91 in chips)
Seat 5: Eateneyes ($7.87 in chips)
Seat 6: IamThe Man3 ($13.38 in chips)
maryo124: posts small blind $0.02
AnKray: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xiaolin888 [Qd Qc Kh Kc]
xiaolin888: raises $0.12 to $0.17
Eateneyes: raises $0.41 to $0.58
IamThe Man3: folds
maryo124: calls $0.56
AnKray: folds
xiaolin888: calls $0.41
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6h Ks]
maryo124: checks
xiaolin888: checks
Eateneyes: bets $0.85
maryo124: folds
xiaolin888: raises $3.41 to $4.26
Eateneyes: calls $3.41
*** TURN *** [Jd 6h Ks] [5h]
xiaolin888: bets $0.07 and is all-in
Eateneyes: calls $0.07
*** RIVER *** [Jd 6h Ks 5h] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xiaolin888: shows [Qd Qc Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
Eateneyes: shows [Td 9s Qs 7h] (a straight, Nine to King)
Eateneyes collected $9.94 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.45 | Rake $0.51
Board [Jd 6h Ks 5h 9h]
Seat 2: maryo124 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: AnKray (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: xiaolin888 showed [Qd Qc Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: Eateneyes showed [Td 9s Qs 7h] and won ($9.94) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 6: IamThe Man3 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

not bad，不过对于这样的对手要加note，他的3bet range很广

还是打得太软了！
现在打得很纠结，松紧度掌握得很差，该凶的时候不凶，不能使利润最大化，
该紧的时候却去BET，往往雪上加霜，损失更多！好难把握啊。。。

像这手，我位置占优，如果TURN上我再BET的话，对手可能就FOLD了，
事后他也说怀疑我是FULL HOUSE！

天天被老外说suck
PokerStars Game #47551927636:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/08/01 3:57:32 ET
Table 'Dejopeja VI' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Liza Di ($15.35 in chips)
Seat 2: pingeagle ($4.08 in chips)
Seat 3: Kaschmir13 ($1.62 in chips)
Seat 4: quagmire78 ($16.28 in chips)
Seat 5: fatflyingpig ($9.97 in chips)
Seat 6: BIGBOOBS8844 ($12.99 in chips)
Seat 7: xiaolin888 ($7.63 in chips)
Seat 8: Modano9 ($2.78 in chips)
quagmire78: posts small blind $0.02
fatflyingpig: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xiaolin888 [6d Ad Ah Kh]
BIGBOOBS8844 said, "blablablub"
quagmire78 said, "but if you're curious, they jiggle when she's bluffing"
BIGBOOBS8844: folds
fatflyingpig said, "lol...me too...maybe thats why i won"
xiaolin888: raises $0.12 to $0.17
Modano9: folds
Liza Di: calls $0.17
pingeagle: folds
Kaschmir13: folds
quagmire78: folds
fatflyingpig: raises $0.53 to $0.70
xiaolin888: calls $0.53
quagmire78 said, "hey chickie, don't throw em out there if you don't want us talking about em"
Liza Di: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ks 3h]
fatflyingpig: bets $0.80
xiaolin888: raises $0.95 to $1.75
fatflyingpig said, "my downfall"
fatflyingpig: calls $0.95
*** TURN *** [Tc Ks 3h] [Ts]
fatflyingpig: checks
quagmire78 said, "don't fall dummy"
77caps77 joins the table at seat #9
xiaolin888: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ks 3h Ts] [2c]
fatflyingpig: checks
xiaolin888: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fatflyingpig: shows [Ac 7c 3c As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
xiaolin888: shows [6d Ad Ah Kh] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
fatflyingpig collected $2.42 from pot
xiaolin888 collected $2.42 from pot
fatflyingpig said, "whew"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.09 | Rake $0.25
Board [Tc Ks 3h Ts 2c]
Seat 1: Liza Di folded before Flop
Seat 2: pingeagle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kaschmir13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: quagmire78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: fatflyingpig (big blind) showed [Ac 7c 3c As] and won ($2.42) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 6: BIGBOOBS8844 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xiaolin888 showed [6d Ad Ah Kh] and won ($2.42) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 8: Modano9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

这把很不想FOLD啊，
不过打了这么久，感觉河牌对手在连续CALL后，突然主动BET POT，应该是成NUTS了，
如果这时不舍得FOLD，往往会死得很惨。。。
因为，在PLO，一切皆有可能！
PokerStars Game #47591969783:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/08/01 23:22:06 ET
Table 'Icarus III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: pokeng ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 2: LindsayNigra ($1.66 in chips)
Seat 3: Dirtnap91 ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaolin888 ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 5: ambiental10 ($11.57 in chips)
Seat 6: Rhyno2008 ($4.85 in chips)
ambiental10: posts small blind $0.02
Rhyno2008: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xiaolin888 [Kd 9c 9h Td]
pokeng: folds
LindsayNigra: calls $0.05
Dirtnap91: calls $0.05
xiaolin888: calls $0.05
ambiental10: calls $0.03
Rhyno2008: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 9d 3d]
ambiental10: checks
Rhyno2008: checks
LindsayNigra: checks
Dirtnap91: checks
xiaolin888: bets $0.24
ambiental10: calls $0.24
Rhyno2008: folds
LindsayNigra: folds
Dirtnap91: folds
*** TURN *** [2s 9d 3d] [Qs]
ambiental10: checks
xiaolin888: bets $0.70
ambiental10: calls $0.70
*** RIVER *** [2s 9d 3d Qs] [5c]
ambiental10: bets $2.03
Dirtnap91 leaves the table
xiaolin888 has timed out
xiaolin888: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.03) returned to ambiental10
ambiental10 collected $2.03 from pot
ambiental10: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.13 | Rake $0.10
Board [2s 9d 3d Qs 5c]
Seat 1: pokeng folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LindsayNigra folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Dirtnap91 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: xiaolin888 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: ambiental10 (small blind) collected ($2.03)
Seat 6: Rhyno2008 (big blind) folded on the Flop

我承认，这把牌很败RP
贴出来，当我输钱时，看看它，就知道还RP的时候到了！
PokerStars Game #47766617954:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/08/05 21:26:25 ET
Table 'Bernhard' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pizzalo.38 ($2.74 in chips)
Seat 2: H@RDDRIVE ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 3: H011YW00d ($3.21 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaolin888 ($4.99 in chips)
Seat 5: SpbEst ($1.86 in chips)
Seat 6: xxxAKIRAxxx ($8.27 in chips)
Seat 7: snex00 ($20.61 in chips)
Seat 8: chrisw_bwfc ($4.99 in chips)
Seat 9: LPéter ($4.95 in chips)
xiaolin888: posts small blind $0.02
SpbEst: posts big blind $0.05
H@RDDRIVE: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xiaolin888 [6h Ks 7d Kd]
xxxAKIRAxxx: folds
snex00: folds
chrisw_bwfc: folds
LPéter: calls $0.05
pizzalo.38: raises $0.22 to $0.27
H@RDDRIVE: folds
H011YW00d: folds
xiaolin888: calls $0.25
SpbEst: calls $0.22
LPéter: calls $0.22
*** FLOP *** [As 6s 6d]
xiaolin888: checks
SpbEst: checks
LPéter: checks
pizzalo.38: bets $0.15
xiaolin888: calls $0.15
SpbEst: folds
LPéter: calls $0.15
*** TURN *** [As 6s 6d] [Kc]
xiaolin888: checks
LPéter: checks
pizzalo.38: bets $0.65
xiaolin888: calls $0.65
LPéter: raises $3.46 to $4.11
pizzalo.38: calls $1.67 and is all-in
xiaolin888: raises $0.46 to $4.57 and is all-in
LPéter: calls $0.42 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.04) returned to xiaolin888
*** RIVER *** [As 6s 6d Kc] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xiaolin888: shows [6h Ks 7d Kd] (four of a kind, Kings)
LPéter: shows [8s 6c Ad 4c] (a full house, Sixes full of Aces)
xiaolin888 collected $4.20 from side pot
pizzalo.38: shows [Ac 3c Ah Jd] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
xiaolin888 collected $8.12 from main pot
snex00 said, "lolllllllllll"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.96 Main pot $8.12. Side pot $4.20. | Rake $0.64
Board [As 6s 6d Kc Kh]
Seat 1: pizzalo.38 showed [Ac 3c Ah Jd] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: H@RDDRIVE folded before Flop
Seat 3: H011YW00d (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: xiaolin888 (small blind) showed [6h Ks 7d Kd] and won ($12.32) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: SpbEst (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: xxxAKIRAxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: snex00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: chrisw_bwfc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: LPéter showed [8s 6c Ad 4c] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Aces

lol
最近我经常被人hit到1个或2个outs
长期来说，你赢的这钱都会还回去的

lol
最近我经常被人hit到1个或2个outs
长期来说，你赢的这钱都会还回去的
muyir 发表于 2010-8-6 12:31

呵，同意！所以贴出来，当我输钱的时候，回来看看这牌谱，也不至于太过郁闷