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标题: 扑克之旅第三天 [打印本页]

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 04:08
标题: 扑克之旅第三天
睡觉真是个严重的问题。本来昨天睡的比前天好，但早晨被查房的催着退房间叫醒后，再也没睡踏实。我每天要八小时睡觉，少了就跟丢了魂一样。光凭这一点就不适合打wsop

考虑身体情况今天准备最多打两个小时。看直播的也别等着了，顶多也就能发五六手牌而已

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 04:52
Two 5-10 games going now, i am no5 on the waiting list.

I had about 10 cigerets so for this trip.

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 05:10
2-5 called me first, so i am on the 2-5 with max buy in $500 now.

Table looks not very tough. Stacks are shallow too. Only 2 have e covered. I will take it easy and relax a bit now.

作者: 清都山水郎 时间: 2012-7-9 05:46
边打1／2边看火花直播。

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 06:47
Got my sear on 5-10, and moved.

Stack grew to $688 after 1.5 hour of 2-5, but i will add some.

Papa is on this table.Another taiwan girl in here too.

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 06:53
本帖最后由 Howard 于 2012-7-9 06:53 编辑

Added 500 to $1188

First hand i was dealt, two limps, i r 60 w AQo from co, all f

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 06:57
本帖最后由 Howard 于 2012-7-9 06:57 编辑

Open folded AJo utg1. The hand was choped sb vs bb

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:03
5limps, i ck my bb w 87o. 6way pot 60

T92r, i ck, papa led 25 utg1, 2 calls, co r 150, i f, papa tank f, but co call.

Tn T, co ck/f to btn AI

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:09
Papa's back:

Papa limps utg, fold to me on sb, call w Qd4d, bb ck. 3w 30

T86dcd,i led 25 with my flushdr, bb f but papa calls
Hu turn 4c, now ddcc, i ck he checks.
Rv 6c, backdoor flush would get there, i ck. he fired 55.

Now i can beat the missed str8 in his range but lose to all others. I mess with chips try to get a read but got none. I fold

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:10
Went AI w a short stack guy. His TT held vs my AQs. Lost $165

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:18
4limps, i ck w 33 on bb.
Flop QQQ all ladies. I led smalish 30. Two callers and i know i was done and have no outs

Turn 9, i ck, mp ck, hj taiwan girl led sheepish 40, i f, guy call.

Rv K, it goes ckck. Guy's TT held and girl says small pair

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:34
Funny AA, maybe badplay:

Guy in seat2 is racking up, i requested to move there from seat5. It's sb position, so i posted 15 for sb+bb

Mp papa open 30, co taiwan call, btn f. The former seat2 guy is still there racking chips, so i was waiting behind. Finally i got to my seat and looked over AA. I rr130, only papa call.

Hu TT8, i led smallish 150, hope he can at least call. He has about 900 behind, thinking over calling and rasing, but ended folding. sxxx

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:42
Guy to my right limp, i r 50 w AcKh hj, papa call on bb, limper call.

3way 155, AQ4hhc, ckck, i led 135 fairly big, papa minr to 250, dealer made him toss in 20 more, other guy f.

Now if i call this minr, the eff stack is about $800, roughly a potsize. If he's on a draw, i should mov AI, otherwise he has a chance for a free shot for my stack. But it's likely he has a made hand. Can he do this move by AJ? Not really but maybe 20%. i decided to go AI, he calls.

Tn Q rv blank. He has AKo also. Chop.

He said, it's like kissing your fat sister. I didnot understand and think he is cursing me, but other people explained it to me. If u dont know what it means u can google.

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 07:53
Too many people moved to the main 5-10 game, we are 4handed. Game is on hold. My stack is $1150 now. Despite having lots of good preflop hands

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 08:07
Played 3handes for a while, now its forur handed. No time to record anything

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 08:27
Session ended. Cashed out $1684.
Missed ton of value. Mistakes a lot.
Driving home time

作者: notch 时间: 2012-7-9 09:13

Howard 发表于 2012-7-9 06:57
Open folded AJo utg1. The hand was choped sb vs bb

没睡好？打那么紧？

作者: maomaobiao 时间: 2012-7-9 09:18

Howard 发表于 2012-7-9 09:42
Guy to my right limp, i r 50 w AcKh hj, papa call on bb, limper call.

3way 155, AQ4hhc, ckck, i le ...

I didnt google it, but I guess it means

It (she) might not look pretty, but you know you love it (her).

作者: david4fun 时间: 2012-7-9 09:42

maomaobiao 发表于 2012-7-9 09:18
I didnt google it, but I guess it means

It (she) might not look pretty, but you know you love it ...

No. it is used to describe a tie game, meaning not special/overwhelming.

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 11:26

notch 发表于 2012-7-9 09:13
没睡好？打那么紧？

这手牌是我刚上桌第三手。我第一手就是AQ直接加注50收锅，现在第三手再搞，就有点容易引起后面的人造我的反。而且全桌都不认识。再而且第五座我很不喜欢，无法同时观察全桌的人。故此我觉得此处fold是最佳选择

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-9 11:34
补记，4人桌时的一首牌：

这手牌前，全桌4人均同意强制straddle 20，所以其实是个5-10-20局。这手牌我在大盲10。

纽扣和小盲均fold。我在大盲用T7o跟注，我下家straddler check。两人HU 底锅45。

翻牌J96，两红桃。我过牌，他下注30，我跟。我筹码1200，他cover我。他大概是个比较直白的玩家，想象力不太充分。此前连加注两手牌，但一手QQ，一手AK。迄今为止没发现他bluff。

底锅105，转牌是一张黑色的8，是我的最佳三张out之一。我略作迟疑，继续过牌，希望他继续保持所谓momentem。

他拿出筹码来摆弄了一会儿，似乎要下注，但最后过牌，我当然很失望。

河牌是个9，非红桃。我下注100，他很快的扔进200 miniraise，我秒跟。

请评价。

作者: maomaobiao 时间: 2012-7-9 11:52

Howard 发表于 2012-7-9 13:34
补记，4人桌时的一首牌：

这手牌前，全桌4人均同意强制straddle 20，所以其实是个5-10-20局。这手牌我在大 ...

如果对手真的如你所说，缺乏想象力，那么turn的check其实有点没有必要。

至于river，对方的mini raise，我们怎么也要call吧。

如果我们turn 领打，这个river，可能会c-c吗？我不知道，也许吧，那样的话，效果很可能是一样的。我瞎说。

作者: 清都山水郎 时间: 2012-7-9 12:09

Howard 发表于 2012-7-9 11:34
补记，4人桌时的一首牌：

这手牌前，全桌4人均同意强制straddle 20，所以其实是个5-10-20局。这手牌我在大 ...

应该是有张9，但不太会有fullhouse。flop 两对的话turn上继续bet可能大一些。river call 是一定的，raise没有必要。

作者: notch 时间: 2012-7-9 13:59

清都山水郎发表于 2012-7-9 12:09
应该是有张9，但不太会有fullhouse。flop 两对的话turn上继续bet可能大一些。river call 是一定的，raise ...

从对手的打法来看，turn上没有bet，所以不太可能是2p或者set
river的9应该不是fullhouse
那么既然自己是领先的，我会在river继续小raise过去，比如再加200
对手即使fold，那么我也没有亮牌，也算一点+ev吧

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-10 04:30
楼上三位或多或少都点中了要害。其中清都兄对对手牌力的分析精确到位，notch兄不光对牌力分析精确，而且结论也正是我觉得我比较失败的地方：河牌我不该秒跟。

在场上，我刚刚秒跟完，还没等对手亮牌就后悔了。我应该象notch描述的一样，3bet一下。对手信心满满亮出93o，一副“不好意思，I rivered you”的表情。我亮出牌以后，他半分钟没说话，可能是惊讶+思考。我跟他说，you saved a lot by checking the turn. 他半天才回过神来说，river cost me，这不废话嘛。

我的分析：当时4人桌，所有4人包括我在内，都进行了调整，比9人满桌肯定是松得多。对手转牌有下注趋势却忍住，结合翻前动作，最可能就是一对且不太强，如果是JX的话其踢脚很小；或者就是9X。对手基本不可能在有位置、draw heavy牌面对我过牌。
河牌我下potsize，他加注，基本是9X无疑且无葫芦。这里我显然应该3bet。如果我相信对手有4bet bluff的能力（基本没有这样的人，即使在5-10桌上），我就下个大一点的注，把他的选择限定为call or fold；如果我不相信他有这种能力，则可下一个中小型的注，最大化这个值：（跟注量 × 跟注%）

我秒跟而没有思索，是受了9人桌的思维定势，在有对、有更高顺子的牌面，我的小顺子是个典型的只能call raise不能3bet的牌。9人桌的人有两个趋势让这个牌变成不能3bet：一是转牌上对手有可能拿着两对过牌；二是河牌上对手拿着裸体9X未必敢加注我的potsize。但是4人桌对手就嚣张多了，这牌不加注，我损失value大大的。

至于转牌上是下注好，还是check/raise好，虽然从结果看当然是下个小注好一点，甚至有可能因此而清了他，但当时我是不知道他是否继续下注的，我只能根据我的感觉，当时的感觉是他继续下注的可能性非常大。如果硬要打分，我给转牌下注和check/raise 一样的80分，河牌上我给 bet/call 30分，给bet/3bet 95分。

作者: zdy32167 时间: 2012-7-10 05:21

Howard 发表于 2012-7-10 04:30
楼上三位或多或少都点中了要害。其中清都兄对对手牌力的分析精确到位，notch兄不光对牌力分析精确，而且结 ...

对手竟然是93o，我以为会是A9呢，小9不该raise吧
对手不太像有葫芦，但也不能完全排除这种可能，万一他拿了A9以为自己天大，推进来怎么办？
这种情况下对手推我们能call吗？

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-10 05:35

zdy32167 发表于 2012-7-10 05:21
对手竟然是93o，我以为会是A9呢，小9不该raise吧
对手不太像有葫芦，但也不能完全排除这种可能，万一他拿 ...

怕车祸也得开车出门不是；怕地震也得在屋里睡觉不是。只要一件事的风险足够小，好处足够大，就值得一干。别说他“万一”，就算“千一”，“百一”，都没问题。我判断他不会拿着A9 去搞4bet，可信度95%+

作者: Howard 时间: 2012-7-11 05:40
本帖最后由 Howard 于 2012-7-11 05:42 编辑

总结一下，3天下来所有记录下来的 raise 和 3bet、4bet 牌

raise with： Position    Action b4 me             Result
------------------------------------------day1---------------------------------------------------------------
AQo             MP          UTG limp                HU flop top2，utg c/f to my cbet
87o             HJ          strddle & utg limp       4-way, flop air, fold to stradler AI
KQo             UTG+2    UTG1 limp                fold to HJ min-raise
KQo             CO          2 limp                      4-way check air flop, fold turn to bet&raise
AKo(3bet)    MP          strddle & utg r          HU with btn, ck down but fold to river bluff by AQo
K7o(r/4bet) Btn          2 limp                      4bet AI with short stack, won with K-hi
TT             CO          2 limp                      3-way won single-turn-bet pot
QJo             Btn          3 limp                      HU turned nut str8 went AI and held up
A9o             CO          strddle & f to me       HU vs straddler, hit tp & won a double bets pot.
66             UTG2    f to me                   HU vs BB, ck down won
AKo             UTG       opener                      5-way checked flop, fold turn
K9o             Btn       some limp                3-way tried one-barrel bluff cbet flop, gave up
A8o(3bet)    Btn       HJ open, CO f             HU flop air but won by cbet

------------------------------------------day2---------------------------------------------------------------
JJ             SB          Btn open                   all f, no flop
T5o             Btn          MP limp                   f to bb's 3bet
53s             HJ          f to me                      HU vs BB, lost sing-bet-pot
QQ             UTG1       f to me                      HU vs mp, lost to triple-bet. AK vs QQ on K-hi board
A4o             Btn       2 limp                      3-way won by cbet
AQo          HJ          utg limp                   HU cbet flop, f on river
A5o          Btn          strddle & HJ limp       3-way AI, lost to AK & JJ
93o          Btn          strddle & 2 limp          4-way flop, AI with utg on flop, my tp held.
AKs(limp/rr)  UTG1       1 r 1 call behind me    took down pre
A9o          MP          strddle & f to me       3-way I cbet all f
K4o          Btn          straddle & 1 limp          all f
Ad7d          HJ          2 limp                      3-way, flop middle pair, cbet get called, HU bet/fold turn
KK(3bet)    Btn          Strd, 2 limp, CO r       all f
KK(limp/c)    UTG2       I limp/call r & 3bet       3-way flop, flop overpair and busted the 3bettor
ATo          SB          r & call 3bet                HU won a single-bet
99             MP          2 limp                         HU lost double-bet on Txx
K9s             UTG2    1 limp                         3-way flopped mid pair, ck flop, r turn and won
65o             HJ          1 limp                         3-way flop draw, bet, HU turn pair&draw, bet big won
KJo             CO          2 limp                      HU ck flop gutter, turn nuts won an AI huge pot
KK(3bet)    Btn          1 r 2 call                   HU flop set, cbet and he f
T9s             Utg2       2 limp 1 post             r and took down
KQo          Btn          3 limp                      4-way flop tp, won double-bet
64o             CO          HJ limp                      3-way flop air, HJ c/r my cbet, I f
87s(3bet)    SB          UTG1 r, co c             3-way flop air, ck/f
Q9s(3bet)    MP          UTG1 r                      I 3bet & call 4bet, flop draw went AI with SPR=3, hit.

-------------------------------------day3----------------------------------------------------------------------------
AQo          CO          2 limp                      all f
AQs          CO          2 limp                      short stack UTG2 limp/3bet AI with TT, HU he won
AA(3bet)    SB          MP r, Co c                HU vs MP, he f to my cbet
AKo          HJ          MP limp                      3-way flop AQX, bet/3bet AI vs MP SPR=7, he AKo

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