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作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-18 18:53
标题: Zoom专题讨论
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-18 19:53 编辑

刷这个贴,想让为数不多的仍在打ZOOM的朋友们一起在这里讨论.共享一下心得和各种问题. 希望大家不要藏私,探讨有助于进步.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-18 19:14
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-18 19:40 编辑

影响盈利的因素之一:情绪化.
因为这个已经不知道损失了多少钱, 心理素质太差真的是个大问题.

症状一:易怒, 喜欢怼人.今天又和人怼上了.

起因是这么几手牌,
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 136.76 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): 118.36 BB
BB: 263.6 BB (VPIP: 20.18, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 583)
UTG: 104.48 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 44.64 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 42.8 BB (VPIP: 22.79, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 141)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, BB bets 3.16 BB, Hero calls 3.16 BB

Turn: (12.32 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, BB checks

River: (12.32 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 8 BB, BB raises to 22 BB, Hero raises to 112.2 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 53.8 BB

Thai Bang Wa said, "u r so fkg lucky"
Thai Bang Wa said, "not good, but lucky"
Thai Bang Wa: folds

这么轻微的diss还不至于上头, 但是我关注了一下他ID,决定轻微地搞他几下.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 60.12 BB (VPIP: 28.35, PFR: 13.39, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 129)
Hero (SB): 111.84 BB
BB: 96.84 BB (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 31)
UTG: 255.76 BB (VPIP: 20.20, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 2.62, Hands: 710)
MP: 113.76 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 2,681)
CO: 152.68 BB (VPIP: 13.71, PFR: 6.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 199)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, UTG bets 3.68 BB, Hero calls 3.68 BB

Turn: (14.36 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (14.36 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 6.88 BB, fold

Hero wins 13.72 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 669.96 BB (VPIP: 20.06, PFR: 12.85, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 725)
SB: 68.72 BB (VPIP: 48.12, PFR: 30.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 138)
BB: 190.52 BB (VPIP: 26.80, PFR: 20.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 625)
UTG: 103.88 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
MP: 103.08 BB (VPIP: 35.23, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 89)
Hero (CO): 173.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, BTN calls 2.48 BB, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (7.84 BB, 3 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 2.24 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero raises to 29 BB, fold

Hero wins 24.68 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 135.08 BB (VPIP: 24.08, PFR: 19.74, 3Bet Preflop: 9.55, Hands: 1,808)
SB: 207.6 BB (VPIP: 20.46, PFR: 13.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.55, Hands: 619)
Hero (BB): 450.52 BB
UTG: 205.76 BB (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.60, Hands: 307)
MP: 238.88 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 40)
CO: 143.2 BB (VPIP: 28.87, PFR: 23.94, 3Bet Preflop: 9.76, Hands: 144)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (4.96 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero bets 2.36 BB, fold

Hero wins 4.72 BB

几乎每打一手,都要喷我几句.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.12, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.35, Hands: 1,763)
SB: 152.68 BB (VPIP: 24.58, PFR: 21.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.19, Hands: 362)
BB: 112.76 BB (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 20.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.86, Hands: 699)
UTG: 219.92 BB (VPIP: 21.08, PFR: 13.31, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 777)
Hero (MP): 126.04 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 209)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 5

UTG bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 7

UTG bets 9.12 BB, Hero calls 9.12 BB

River: (35.64 BB, 2 players) 4

Thai Bang Wa said, "do u ever fold, donkey ?"
Thai Bang Wa: bets $4.68
hero: raises $22.55 to $27.23 and is all-in
Thai Bang Wa said, "no u always suck out"
Thai Bang Wa said, "i hope u know how bad u are"
Thai Bang Wa said, "i flopped a set"
Thai Bang Wa said, "and you suck out after 2 terrible calls"
Thai Bang Wa said, "pls get cancer and die, chinese idiot"
Thai Bang Wa: folds

到了这手,我在屏幕前贱笑, 叫你TMD骂我.

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 3

BB checks, Hero bets 4.48 BB, CO raises to 13 BB, fold, Hero raises to 104.88 BB and is all-in, CO calls 91.88 BB

Turn: (219.16 BB, 2 players) K

River: (219.16 BB, 2 players) A

Hero shows 5

(Straight, Six High)
(Pre 52%, Flop 63%, Turn 77%)
CO shows 2

(Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 48%, Flop 37%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 211.16 BB

一旦和人怼上, 扑克的目的(赢钱)这事就扔一边去了,脑子里只有一个念头,怼死他. 今天这个对手比较菜(看图), 怼赢了,就感觉特别舒坦,牌也不想打了.
有时碰上狠渣子,硬上, 自己就会输得很惨,特别上头.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-19 02:04
心态坏了还谈什么技术~太年轻了···

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-19 19:58
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-19 20:04 编辑

打个扑克容易吗. 前几天调整了hud, 今天看见PT4主页有款Propoker huds. 看看和我hud设置思路一样,果断买了一个199.99刀. 刚才用了半小时, 要人命啊, 满屏花花绿绿, 眼睛被晃瞎.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-19 20:23
发两手牌. 一手好,一手坏.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 114.4 BB
SB: 64.68 BB
BB: 172.76 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 96.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 99.08 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
CO: 65.96 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 84)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) K

BB checks, Hero bets 1.52 BB, BB raises to 6.04 BB, Hero calls 4.52 BB

Turn: (17.44 BB, 2 players) T

BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (41.44 BB, 2 players) 6

BB checks, Hero bets 39.56 BB, BB calls 39.56 BB

Hero shows 3

(Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 49%, Flop 34%, Turn 20%)
BB shows T

  (Flush, King High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 66%, Turn 80%)
BB wins 115.12 BB

上面这手我觉得打得挺好, 河牌下注的尺寸在2/3 和1pot 之间犹豫好一会.  似乎满POT好一些.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 1,094)
SB: 112.16 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 22.19, 3Bet Preflop: 9.17, Hands: 2,820)
BB: 78.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 32.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (MP): 127.12 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.69, PFR: 17.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 293)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  9

fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) 2

BB checks, Hero bets 1.52 BB, BB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BB

Turn: (17.36 BB, 2 players) 5

BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (35.36 BB, 2 players) 9

BB bets 20.44 BB, Hero calls 20.44 BB

BB shows 7

(Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 20%)
Hero mucks 9

(Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 80%)
BB wins 72.8 BB

这手错误的起因很搞笑, 新上的hud内容太多很占地方,一会遮住btn的标志,一会遮住对方的下注,一会遮住对方后手筹码. 边打边调,这手当时看不到对方筹码量, 转牌只能跟注. 翻牌除了set全是诈唬,正常对上短筹码转牌一定会R出去,可以拿57,67,78等的价值. 转牌只是跟的话,河牌我基本上跟注100%的河牌.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-19 21:23
为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....

以下几手都在同一轮. 10分钟内的事情

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: 77.24 BB (VPIP: 18.02, PFR: 15.62, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 339)
BB: 209.64 BB (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 8.79, 3Bet Preflop: 1.25, Hands: 183)
Hero (UTG): 133.36 BB
MP: 162.6 BB
CO: 163.08 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 2.12 BB, MP raises to 7.8 BB, Hero raises to 24.8 BB, MP calls 17 BB

Turn: (57 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 28 BB, MP calls 28 BB

River: (113 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 77.56 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.56 BB

Hero shows K

(High Card, King)
(Pre 61%, Flop 79%, Turn 20%)
MP shows 8

  (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 21%, Turn 80%)
MP wins 260.12 BB

我不认为有人会用78s平跟UTG OPEN,  不认为78hh应该raise flop, 更不认为78会call 3bet.  为这个印尼NOOB点赞,我应该先看下他的国籍.  第一次碰到印尼人, 应该了解印尼人还没有聪明到可以打扑克.  @#$$%^(&.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 41.18, 3Bet Preflop: 36.36, Hands: 36)
Hero (SB): 123.36 BB
BB: 38.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 88.44 BB (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 13.15, 3Bet Preflop: 1.33, Hands: 222)
MP: 96.2 BB (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 65)
CO: 149.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 38.56 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 29.56 BB

Flop: (80.12 BB, 2 players) J

Turn: (80.12 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (80.12 BB, 2 players) T

Hero shows K

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 62%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
BB shows 7

  (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 38%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)
BB wins 76.52 BB

可能是加拿大人比较有钱吧,  微级别的加拿大ID没有一个会打牌的.一个都没有.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 108.68 BB (VPIP: 25.62, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.82, Hands: 290)
BB: 155 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 8.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 83)
MP: 43.6 BB (VPIP: 18.35, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 333)
Hero (CO): 103.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  4

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero raises to 103.84 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 93.84 BB

Flop: (217.68 BB, 2 players) T

Turn: (217.68 BB, 2 players) A

River: (217.68 BB, 2 players) 4

BB shows K

(Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 78%, Flop 93%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows 4

  (Two Pair, Fours and Twos)
(Pre 22%, Flop 7%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 209.68 BB

  BB的cold call让我摸不太准, ,99-jj居多. 我已经怒不可扼, 推TMD.

再轮到小盲.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 111.56 BB (VPIP: 26.40, PFR: 19.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 128)
Hero (SB): 108.84 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 102.28 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 252.08 BB (VPIP: 16.19, PFR: 14.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 108)
CO: 123.96 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 20.20, 3Bet Preflop: 13.16, Hands: 206)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.56 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN raises to 111.56 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 99.84 BB and is all-in

Flop: (218.68 BB, 2 players) 9

Turn: (218.68 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (218.68 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows J

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 9%)
BTN shows Q

(Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 91%)
BTN wins 210.68 BB

小盲对BTN,永不停歇的互偷.

4个买入也就一根烟的功夫

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-19 22:32
后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~ 第1手牌你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是MP1，mp2 用同花call你好正常的，换做我可能大多数时候3BET 你，这里关键是对方在flop里面raise你了，我自己有个原则，当对手翻牌后raise我时我会慢下来思考一下对手的范围，这里raise你的范围里面肯定有SET，你也不是坚果同花听，即便对手是比你小的同花，你的正常outs 都没有到9，call 就好了因为对手已经展示了他的强硬，你也没有位置，又非坚果兆我不支持打光所以call，TURN 同样的不想打光就控制底池，river 要看你诈唬频率，一般刹车了··不要想拿下每个底池；第3手情绪化了；第4手JJ 我不想push的所有不会3bt nl25我只有两手半~3手牌翻前打光，nl200以上4手翻牌光~

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-19 23:17
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-19 23:18 编辑

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-19 22:32
后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~ 第1手牌你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是M ...

谢评论. 有讨论才有进步

UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全是在烧钱, 不太可能打出+EV. 拿来3bet EV也很有限(我尝试过5万手,真不赚钱),当然每个人体系可能不一样.  不管什么体系,在MP跟注EP,基本上就是排除顶端3%左右了.  小对子,AT/Js这些占了很大比例.

KdTd 是我EP最底端,肯定是要fold给preflop 3bet. 然而对MP来说在这个flop r for value的牌实在太少了,只有SET,45s. 所以我认为非常不合理. A5,66,77,88,9Ts,TT,JJ等等一些中等的牌也可能会用来半诈唬,毕竟他有位置,后面可以顺利摊牌.而这个牌面对UTG来说并不太有利.    而我的range里有太多超对, 只有很少7-8个flush draw的诈唬. 所以我认为3bet 更好.  我只需要诈唬走他9X,66-88等. 我计划要在转牌overbet全进, 但是这个6不太有利, 这时对超对来说全进显得不太合理. 河牌还算不错.所有9X,88肯定都跟不动了.

他如果用88 hero call, 我可能会反醒是不是形象和数据有问题了. 78我真的只想抽他.

JJ,这手是他push我,  当然他不推我也要推的. 我的体系里4bet出去时大概有40%都是诈唬(抽空我截图出来给大家看),所以我3bet很少诈唬.
你只用3手牌4bet+打光. 那说明你做3bet时诈唬的比例太高了. 你可以回想看是不是被4bet的频率非常高.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-19 23:45
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-19 23:47 编辑

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-19 21:23
为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....

以下几手都在同一轮. 10分钟内的事情

一首歌送给PS

把你的st8,我的flush串一串

串一株幸运草串一个同心圆

让所有期待EV的呼唤, 和胜率做个伴.

向PS大声的呼唤说声弄啥咧

向那流浪的EV说声我想你

让那黄线听得见,让那绿线看得见

谁也擦不掉我曾攒下的EV.

想带你一起看曲线问声你想干啥

给我再多的badbeat说声我不怕

听听绿线的誓言,看看执着的黄线

让我们一起干翻他们吧.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-20 00:05

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-19 23:17
谢评论. 有讨论才有进步

UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全 ...

9人桌拿掉前3个位置，所谓UTG就是mp1 mp2,少人桌更需要激进,所有6人桌所谓UTG kj+ at + 所有对子 45s+ 甚至隔一张的小sc 去openriase（需依据后位置激进度调整）很正常所以MP2可以激进的raise 你若没想到这层范围那你下次应该去考虑了；至于中间你讨论的翻牌后范围，你没位置应该考虑SET最起码的他是call你的，所以我和你不同在我非坚果兆，是以防守为主先立于不败考虑，你总是无频率激进需要控制；至于你说我的 3bet 过多那是真的，我在微小级别里面3bet的很多，对手fold 多，直到他们做出调整 ZOOM 里面他们本身也调整的少 fold 的多，若被4bet 我会做记号，依据频率调整，5bet 全压或fold···

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-20 00:27

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-20 00:05
9人桌拿掉前3个位置，所谓UTG就是mp1 mp2,少人桌更需要激进,所有6人桌所谓UTG kj+ at + 所有对子 45s+ ...

你说的这种打法我打过一段，几个月前弃用了。翻前去剥削EP不是一个好策略，只是一个很tricky的短线操作，久了就不灵。用45，A5s 低频操作几次可以。 78s这种送死无疑。

攻防的时候我只考虑对手的整体范围，不会考虑他是set我该如何，两对该如何，顶对该如何。

只有在对方范围里set比重过大的时候才会去考虑，比如这手，也是今晚打的。躺床上了，明天再贴。

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-20 07:56
格局问题那就很难聊了，级别越高翻前越松···你的问题应该是后几条街打不好，加上没有整个SESSON通盘考虑加上情绪问题···空建议你先打打模拟，不要去ZOOM送钱~现在停止还来得及···

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-20 09:08

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-20 07:56
格局问题那就很难聊了，级别越高翻前越松···你的问题应该是后几条街打不好，加上没有整个SESSON通盘考虑 ...

想要撕的话,就这几句话我可以怼得你胸闷半天.但是我真不想撕, 建这个贴是想和人一起交流ZOOM POKER,重点在POKER,只聊牌,不装逼.
这里涉及到技术的
"级别越高翻前越松"---有句话叫一知半解, 越高翻前越松也不是意味着每个位置都松.前两年讨论的是K7s VS BTN要不要守盲. 现在讨论的是Q5s VS要不要守盲. 这个才叫做级别越高翻前越松. 而不是你所谓的从EP,MP就开始放松进池的范围. 读书要读通,不要人云亦云,断章取义,瞎误导. 如果你有哪位高级别ZOOM高手从EP到BB都很松, 证据拿出来打我脸. 拿不出数据没关系, ID拿出来.

我在NL100输了6200刀,全年总共也就输2000刀.PS起步资金1100刀,现在仍然这个资金量,所以输钱这事就不劳您费心了. "在NL50Z以下,能让我输钱的那批人还没有生出来."-----你可以Mark这句话, 等我破产了拿出来打我脸.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-20 09:31

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-20 00:27
你说的这种打法我打过一段，几个月前弃用了。翻前去剥削EP不是一个好策略，只是一个很tricky的短线操 ...

有些人打牌思路古古怪怪,被raise就首先把对方的范围放在顶端,没有具体情况具体分析的概念.

接昨天的话, 只有在SET占比过大的时候才会认真去考虑. 这手牌也是昨晚打的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 96.8 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 37)
SB: 117.32 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 122.28 BB
UTG: 89.76 BB (VPIP: 14.75, PFR: 10.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 125)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 181 BB (VPIP: 21.54, PFR: 17.69, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 132)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2

Hero checks, UTG bets 8.96 BB, CO calls 8.96 BB, Hero calls 8.96 BB

Turn: (36.28 BB, 3 players) A

Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 16.64 BB, Hero calls 16.64 BB, fold

River: (69.56 BB, 2 players) A

Hero bets 93.68 BB and is all-in, CO calls 93.68 BB

Hero shows J

(Full House, Aces full of Jacks)
(Pre 47%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
CO shows 3

  (Full House, Threes full of Aces)
(Pre 53%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 248.92 BB

对手只打了100来手牌,所以数据都是没有意义的.  只看牌理.

翻牌太干燥, co的跟注不太寻常, 本身翻前平跟EP OPEN的范围就比较紧,然后在这个翻牌跟注EP满POT的CBET. 所以CO的范围到这里已经很紧缩, 落后我的只有99TT,JQ/K/T, 45s. 枪口仍然可能有超对.

转牌, 如果EP 继续cbet, co fold的话,我一定会xr. ep过牌放弃, co下注不到1/2 pot,  他这里当然不可能下注99TT,JQ/K/T,而45已经反超. SET的比重已经很大,  我只领先A2,A3s3个组合(正常牌手翻牌不会跟注)相比他的范围我的顶两对整体来说肯定已经落后,  所以我只是平跟. 河牌准备弃的.

河牌中了很隐蔽的NUTS. 怎么打都无所谓了,对方范围太强,我也不想给45免费showdown的机会.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-20 10:37
不要在6人桌总说什么前面位置了，你虽然在玩6人桌但还是9人那套起手牌可不灵~6人桌就是 SB BB MP1 MP2 CO BUTTON ;另外ZOOM 与常规桌也不一样手速快基本都是选择性结果且有的还开2桌以上，所以被反加应该往范围顶端想多一点~前两条街应该激进一些，所谓虎头蛇尾，后面也不要总是和别人打光（注意诈唬频率），你最羡慕的GTO其实就是在让你先不败而后胜！

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-20 11:01
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2017-12-20 11:48 编辑

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-20 10:37
不要在6人桌总说什么前面位置了，你虽然在玩6人桌但还是9人那套起手牌可不灵~6人桌就是 SB BB MP1 MP2 C ...

抬杠很有意思? 为什么一定要让自己的无知反复暴露呢. 6人桌只有EP MP CO BTN BB SB. 这是通行的叫法,怎么到你这就成了MP1,MP2. 你这才是9人桌思维吧.

真不觉得你有教别人扑克的水平, 要交流说出你的想法就可以, 看的人自己会去吸收判断,不要总是应该这个应该那个.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-20 13:00
顶端3% 牙齿笑掉了！

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2017-12-20 13:06
本帖最后由一条街价值诈频于 2017-12-20 13:07 编辑

小鬼老哥只是不想让你沦落到到处欠债，流离失所招人白眼的地步，再奉劝你一句：现在停止还来得及！

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-20 13:27

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-20 13:06
小鬼老哥只是不想让你沦落到到处欠债，流离失所招人白眼的地步，再奉劝你一句：现在停止还来得及！ ...

为我这个素不相识的人操心，如此伟大胸怀，不去当总理可惜了，我看你比克强适任。

把你的金扁担藏好，莫被草民撸走了。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-21 10:08

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-20 09:31
有些人打牌思路古古怪怪,被raise就首先把对方的范围放在顶端,没有具体情况具体分析的概念.

接昨天的话, ...

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 81.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 112.2 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 13)
UTG: 223 BB (VPIP: 27.07, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 13.73, Hands: 135)
MP: 269.2 BB (VPIP: 24.50, PFR: 10.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 306)
Hero (CO): 101 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (28.4 BB, 3 players) 7

UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (28.4 BB, 3 players) 2

UTG bets 17 BB, Hero raises to 44 BB, fold, UTG calls 27 BB

River: (116.4 BB, 2 players) 2

UTG checks, Hero bets 48 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 48 BB

Hero shows 2

(Full House, Twos full of Fives)
(Pre 36%, Flop 47%, Turn 82%)
UTG shows A

  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 64%, Flop 53%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 204.4 BB

刚打的一手,  关于用小sc去light 3bet.  现在我只在BTN和CO偶尔这样去做(2000手牌有1-2手).  频率很低的.  FE不够, 而且前位本身跟注range太强之外, 被4bet和冷跟注的风险都很大,  感觉整体的EV不高.

选择手牌的时候我喜欢小的sc,除了听花外,在对手击中A的时候还有一些顺子出路来增加equity, 67-78-89这些两头不靠的牌已经彻底移出了3bet范围.

这种操作别人的情况以前会上瘾,现在已经没有足够快感了.  在正常的2bet,3bet pot中还有许多细节要提高, 这部分的提高比去操作别人的持久EV要大得多.

作者: 1025 时间: 2017-12-21 12:12
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作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-29 17:06

1025 发表于 2017-12-21 12:12
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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 127.32 BB
SB: 243.2 BB (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 17.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 705)
BB: 118.8 BB (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 21.19, 3Bet Preflop: 15.45, Hands: 347)
UTG: 88.72 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 112.08 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 91.8 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 3

UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets 18 BB, UTG calls 18 BB

River: (53.4 BB, 2 players) 8

UTG checks, Hero bets 101.32 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 62.72 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 59%, Flop 25%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows 6

(Straight Flush, Six High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 75%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins 170.84 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 208.88 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 36)
SB: 65 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 57.52 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 222.36 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 34.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 6.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (CO): 157.76 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4

fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 2.48 BB, BTN calls 2.48 BB, SB calls 2.08 BB, fold

Flop: (10.92 BB, 4 players) 5

SB checks, MP bets 6.88 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 17.12 BB

Turn: (58.92 BB, 2 players) K

MP checks, Hero checks

River: (58.92 BB, 2 players) A

MP bets 13.76 BB, Hero calls 13.76 BB

MP shows 9

(Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 93%, Turn 88%)
Hero mucks 4

  (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 18%, Flop 7%, Turn 13%)
MP wins 82.56 BB

这两手牌我很幸运, 对手是短码. 尤其第一手如果是深码的话不敢想. 这个星期在NL25Z发现了一个了不得的对手.  他开4桌, 连续一周每桌基本上是200刀左右,今天更加逆天, 最少的一桌168刀,最多的一桌688刀. 如果不是亲眼所见,我真的不相信有人能打出这个成绩.

我和他直接交手不到100手, 并没有感觉特别难缠, 他的打法漏洞还是很明显的,为什么在NL25Z这么有效?

总结一下他的特点:
1:特别紧,  VPIP18. 这在reg里很少见,通常很少见到低于20的.
2:preflop 3bet 和4bet 都超过10.
3:极少平跟别人的OPEN.

他翻牌后也有一些明显的倾向,容易被利用.比如IP翻牌和转牌连续中等以上大小的下注,通常是在听牌. 我会利用这个漏洞去对抗他.比如这手:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.72 BB (VPIP: 19.94, PFR: 12.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 356)
SB: 185.96 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BB): 104.2 BB
UTG: 196.72 BB (VPIP: 14.12, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 178)
MP: 81.04 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 414.88 BB (VPIP: 16.41, PFR: 13.28, 3Bet Preflop: 14.04, Hands: 132)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  9

fold, fold, CO raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, CO bets 7.4 BB, Hero calls 7.4 BB

Turn: (23.2 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, CO bets 13.72 BB, Hero raises to 39 BB, CO calls 25.28 BB

River: (101.2 BB, 2 players) J

Hero bets 53.8 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 96.64 BB

在河牌他很少诈唬

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 337.44 BB (VPIP: 20.56, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 17.50, Hands: 617)
SB: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 26.79, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
BB: 290.96 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 14.10, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 80)
UTG: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 136)
Hero (MP): 251.92 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.56, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 168)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, fold, BTN raises to 9.68 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.2 BB

Flop: (20.76 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, BTN bets 18.24 BB, Hero calls 18.24 BB

Turn: (57.24 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (57.24 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, BTN bets 27.36 BB, Hero calls 27.36 BB

BTN shows T

(Full House, Aces full of Queens)
(Pre 35%, Flop 24%, Turn 9%)
Hero mucks J

(Full House, Aces full of Jacks)
(Pre 65%, Flop 76%, Turn 91%)
BTN wins 106.92 BB

在3bet,4bet的pot里,不管有没有位置,总是check坚果.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 261.4 BB
SB: 185.92 BB (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 45)
BB: 93.16 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 20 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 1216 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.71, 3Bet Preflop: 16.36, Hands: 715)
CO: 275.2 BB (VPIP: 19.10, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 93)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 7.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 15.8 BB

Flop: (48.4 BB, 2 players) 4

MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (48.4 BB, 2 players) 5

MP checks, Hero checks

River: (48.4 BB, 2 players) 8

MP checks, Hero checks

MP shows Q

(Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 79%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks 4

(One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 21%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)
MP wins 46.24 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 168.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 585.76 BB (VPIP: 20.36, PFR: 17.18, 3Bet Preflop: 15.91, Hands: 803)
BB: 267.52 BB (VPIP: 20.08, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 242)
Hero (UTG): 109.52 BB
MP: 103.68 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 122.2 BB (VPIP: 12.27, PFR: 7.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 171)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 11.72 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.72 BB

Flop: (24.44 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (24.44 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (24.44 BB, 2 players) 6

SB bets 11.68 BB, Hero calls 11.68 BB

SB shows A

(Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks K

(One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 45.64 BB

偶尔会在UTG LIMP AK.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 66.96 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
SB: 79.52 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (BB): 245.64 BB
UTG: 688 BB (VPIP: 20.08, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 16.25, Hands: 722)
MP: 285.72 BB (VPIP: 24.07, PFR: 18.04, 3Bet Preflop: 6.64, Hands: 610)
CO: 79.92 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.4 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Turn: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, UTG bets 5.12 BB, Hero calls 5.12 BB

River: (14.64 BB, 2 players) K

Hero checks, UTG bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

UTG shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 68%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
Hero mucks 7

(Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins 27.36 BB

河牌会利用惊悚牌偶尔做一些诈唬.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 798.28 BB (VPIP: 19.68, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 320)
SB: 120.52 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 37)
BB: 76.56 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 103.96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 153.4 BB (VPIP: 42.59, PFR: 25.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
Hero (CO): 350.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.48 BB, BTN raises to 9.68 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.2 BB

Flop: (20.76 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (20.76 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

River: (40.76 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, BTN bets 19.48 BB, Hero raises to 78 BB, fold

Hero wins 76.12 BB

除此之外,没有特别出奇之处. 真不知道他是怎么打出这么好的成绩, 我反正是打不出来. 好好研究下他的牌局.

他的ID"di rossi81". 打这个级别的兄弟可以关注下,或者发一下和他交手的经验.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2017-12-30 12:42
这个人我印象…因为他的open size非常大，现在几乎见不到4BBopen的人了，耳他几乎总是4BB open

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2017-12-30 13:45

BBlifego 发表于 2017-12-30 12:42
这个人我印象…因为他的open size非常大，现在几乎见不到4BBopen的人了，耳他几乎总是4BB open ...

嗯，我总结他的策略是“act loose，play tight” 翻后看上去很松凶实际很有章法。 4BB open 拉仇恨，很多3bet 浇油，一旦有人想当然地针对他就上当了。

特别加拿大，南美，希腊ID的那些人，都是属炮仗的，一点就着。

这个荷兰人进步非常大，印象中年初在nl25常规中交过手，当时鱼得很，我给他标了鱼。没想到现在打这么好

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2017-12-30 15:59

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-30 13:45
嗯，我总结他的策略是“act loose，play tight” 翻后看上去很松凶实际很有章法。 4BB open 拉仇恨，很 ...

节后回家看下hud，跟他同桌次数也不少，除了翻前的size没有特别的印象了…回去看看手牌再来讨论

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-5 22:55

BBlifego 发表于 2017-12-30 15:59
节后回家看下hud，跟他同桌次数也不少，除了翻前的size没有特别的印象了…回去看看手牌再来讨论 ...

持续观察这个人之中, 又增加了一些信息. 他在UTG LIMP AJ+
他有时会open 2bb---绝大多数是口袋对子.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 286.24 BB
SB: 68.96 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 65)
UTG: 490.92 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 15.54, Hands: 1,652)
MP: 183.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 127.92 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 20.95, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 107)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BB checks

Flop: (3.4 BB, 3 players) T

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (3.4 BB, 3 players) Q

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (3.4 BB, 3 players) 7

BB checks, UTG bets 489.92 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

UTG wins 3.24 BB

(深筹码时)他下注接近满池绝大多数时候是诈唬(这点持续得到验证)

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 307.68 BB (VPIP: 23.13, PFR: 17.79, 3Bet Preflop: 10.09, Hands: 288)
SB: 214.36 BB (VPIP: 20.53, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 16.08, Hands: 1,390)
Hero (BB): 121.68 BB
UTG: 97.68 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 121)
CO: 207.72 BB (VPIP: 35.56, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: (12 BB, 4 players) 8

SB bets 10.64 BB, Hero raises to 32.24 BB, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 31.8 BB

标准码时我觉得他的连续大注很少是诈唬.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.61, PFR: 19.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.40, Hands: 700)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.52, PFR: 16.92, 3Bet Preflop: 15.59, Hands: 1,512)
Hero (BB): 409.52 BB
UTG: 113.64 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 186.84 BB (VPIP: 19.92, PFR: 16.10, 3Bet Preflop: 6.29, Hands: 482)
CO: 101.36 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, SB raises to 7.8 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB, CO calls 5.8 BB

Flop: (23.4 BB, 3 players) 6

SB bets 20.56 BB, Hero calls 20.56 BB, fold

Turn: (64.52 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 57 BB, fold

SB wins 61.6 BB

基于这些信息,我和他打了一手看起来非常鱼的牌

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.96 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 18.39, 3Bet Preflop: 9.46, Hands: 361)
SB: 215.76 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 16.96, 3Bet Preflop: 15.86, Hands: 1,410)
Hero (BB): 277.92 BB
UTG: 263.4 BB (VPIP: 19.66, PFR: 11.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 120)
MP: 156.72 BB (VPIP: 32.53, PFR: 15.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 86)
CO: 331.92 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 7.8 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB, fold

Flop: (17.6 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 15.44 BB, Hero calls 15.44 BB

Turn: (48.48 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 5.56 BB, Hero calls 5.56 BB

River: (59.6 BB, 2 players) 6

SB bets 51.24 BB, Hero raises to 105 BB, fold

Hero wins 154.8 BB

我在翻牌前用中小口袋对cold call 3bet是从来不做的事,不要被这2手牌误导. 实在对这个人太好奇了,总想找机会跟他打打翻后.但是他总是尽量避开对抗regs.

翻牌,我会弃给1/3-2/5之间尺寸的cbet, 然而他下注满池,没有理由弃给他.

转牌, 如果他继续满池,我就全进. 然后他下注1/10, 我到现在也没想明白,这是什么意思. 总之这里看起来跟注更+EV.

河牌,他下注接近满池, 这么飘忽的line我认为几乎总是诈唬, 这个6不是很好,也不差, 反正来不来6或8,都是一样的raise.

我的总结是,他有一套非常实用的打鱼技巧.这套打法的漏洞是很大的,对付regs不顶用,所以他总要避开这些人,专门找一些跟得松和打得弱的.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-5 23:28
Donk是一项很有用但是很难的技术.
最近微级别DONK横行, 99.5%都是weak players.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 116.72 BB
SB: 135.36 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 10.29, Hands: 144)
BB: 532.48 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 94.2 BB (VPIP: 19.15, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
MP: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 219.32 BB (VPIP: 17.35, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 5.38, Hands: 223)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, BB calls 1.28 BB

Flop: (4.96 BB, 2 players) J

BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (12.96 BB, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, BB calls 13 BB

River: (38.96 BB, 2 players) 7

BB checks, Hero bets 37.2 BB, BB calls 37.2 BB

Hero shows A

(One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 77%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)
BB mucks K

  (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 23%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins 108.24 BB

总是donk 顶对弱踢还有中对的则100%是鱼.  哪怕把NUTS也放进去,  整体范围还是太弱,常常会卷入一个牌力,支撑不起的大锅. 但有时候击中踢角也能赢个大的,所以会加深DONK 顶对是好打法这种印象.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 30.16 BB (VPIP: 45.61, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 58)
SB: 144.4 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 71.44 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (UTG): 227.76 BB
MP: 197.76 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 60)
CO: 197.28 BB (VPIP: 12.82, PFR: 8.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 120)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, SB calls 1.88 BB, fold

Flop: (7.84 BB, 3 players) 8

SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (15.84 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (33.84 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets 49 BB, SB raises to 129.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 80.12 BB

SB shows 9

(Two Pair, Nines and Fives)
(Pre 13%, Flop 19%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 87%, Flop 81%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 284.08 BB

这手Villain 河牌的strong move让我稍微有点为难,我输的牌和赢的牌都很多,如果是NL100, 这里只能弃牌.

我想了不一会,决定跟注.  其中一个很重要的原因是对方ID是中国的,此前从没见过. 在PS包括我自己在内,98%+的中国ID都是鱼, 在NL25我不认为他具有通过3条街的行动得出我的准确范围,或许他认为我call,call,overbet看起来太像诈唬, 所以要操作回来.

当然这一切的缘起都是DONK,  一旦donk太多了, 范围基本就变成透明的,容易被剥削.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-6 22:45

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-5 22:55
持续观察这个人之中, 又增加了一些信息. 他在UTG LIMP AJ+
他有时会open 2bb---绝大多数是口袋对子.

我hud里有他600多手牌，可能样本比较小，他总体输两个买入，特点跟你之前说的差不多，3bet非常多，cold call很少很少，几乎没有，这有一手他最近打的牌，overplay一个顶对。打光200BB：
PokerStars Zoom Hand #180532437637:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2018/01/04 23:48:17 ET
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Di Rossi81 ($189.05 in chips)
Seat 2: superuva ($51.87 in chips)
Seat 3: ayhshhh ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: BBlifego ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: JJTKGB ($69.73 in chips)
Seat 6: slicknewf666 ($32.66 in chips)
superuva: posts small blind $0.10
ayhshhh: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BBlifego [Jd 5c]
BBlifego: folds
JJTKGB: raises $1 to $1.25
slicknewf666: folds
Di Rossi81: calls $1.25
superuva: folds
ayhshhh: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 6d 2h]
JJTKGB: bets $1.50
Di Rossi81: raises $3.36 to $4.86
JJTKGB: calls $3.36
*** TURN *** [Th 6d 2h] [Qh]
JJTKGB: checks
Di Rossi81: bets $7.44
JJTKGB: raises $9.56 to $17
Di Rossi81: calls $9.56
*** RIVER *** [Th 6d 2h Qh] [7d]
JJTKGB: bets $24.25
Di Rossi81: calls $24.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JJTKGB: shows [Ah Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
Di Rossi81: mucks hand
JJTKGB collected $93.07 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $95.07 | Rake $2
Board [Th 6d 2h Qh 7d]
Seat 1: Di Rossi81 (button) mucked [Kh Qd]
Seat 2: superuva (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ayhshhh (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: BBlifego folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JJTKGB showed [Ah Jh] and won ($93.07) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: slicknewf666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3bet的底池会用一些有blocker但是没什么equity的牌非常凶的三枪bluff：

PokerStars Zoom Hand #180532718338:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2018/01/05 0:06:15 ET
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sergei1861 ($51.23 in chips)
Seat 2: Di Rossi81 ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: koroto2 ($25.32 in chips)
Seat 4: ReKeTuR ($8.01 in chips)
Seat 5: chengyuqi ($26.58 in chips)
Seat 6: BBlifego ($25.31 in chips)
Di Rossi81: posts small blind $0.10
koroto2: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BBlifego [Qs 6h]
ReKeTuR: raises $0.37 to $0.62
chengyuqi: folds
BBlifego: folds
sergei1861: calls $0.62
Di Rossi81: raises $2.30 to $2.92
koroto2: folds
ReKeTuR: folds
sergei1861: calls $2.30
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8c 5c]
Di Rossi81: bets $5.90
sergei1861: calls $5.90
*** TURN *** [Kh 8c 5c] [9s]
Di Rossi81: bets $16.18 and is all-in
sergei1861: calls $16.18
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8c 5c 9s] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Di Rossi81: shows [As Qc] (high card Ace)
sergei1861: shows [Kd Js] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
sergei1861 collected $48.87 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.87 | Rake $2
Board [Kh 8c 5c 9s Jc]
Seat 1: sergei1861 (button) showed [Kd Js] and won ($48.87) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 2: Di Rossi81 (small blind) showed [As Qc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: koroto2 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ReKeTuR folded before Flop
Seat 5: chengyuqi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BBlifego folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Zoom Hand #180018296776:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2017/12/25 7:44:53 ET
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: HighRaider ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Di Rossi81 ($26.25 in chips)
Seat 3: BBlifego ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 4: laoboy1119 ($101.99 in chips)
Seat 5: Mewars ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 6: jair minero ($30.21 in chips)
Di Rossi81: posts small blind $0.10
BBlifego: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BBlifego [Jd 8d]
laoboy1119: raises $0.31 to $0.56
Mewars: folds
jair minero: folds
HighRaider: calls $0.56
Di Rossi81: raises $1.92 to $2.48
BBlifego: folds
laoboy1119: folds
HighRaider: calls $1.92
*** FLOP *** [5h Td 3h]
Di Rossi81: bets $2.15
HighRaider: calls $2.15
*** TURN *** [5h Td 3h] [Kd]
Di Rossi81: bets $5.96
HighRaider: calls $5.96
*** RIVER *** [5h Td 3h Kd] [4d]
Di Rossi81: bets $15.66 and is all-in
HighRaider: calls $15.61 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to Di Rossi81
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Di Rossi81: shows [As Qs] (high card Ace)
HighRaider: shows [Ah Ks] (a pair of Kings)
HighRaider collected $51.21 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.21 | Rake $2
Board [5h Td 3h Kd 4d]
Seat 1: HighRaider (button) showed [Ah Ks] and won ($51.21) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Di Rossi81 (small blind) showed [As Qs] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: BBlifego (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: laoboy1119 folded before Flop
Seat 5: Mewars folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jair minero folded before Flop (didn't bet)

关于翻牌前的open size，最近sauce123放出了一个NL50的视频，里面提到基于低级别很高的抽水，他翻牌前 open size会偏大（3BB），整体会玩的比较紧（KQo UTG直接丢掉），然后OOP 3bet的size巨大，接近5X。这么看这人的4BB open也略有道理..

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-7 02:27

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-6 22:45
我hud里有他600多手牌，可能样本比较小，他总体输两个买入，特点跟你之前说的差不多，3bet非常多，cold c ...

今晚失眠, 零点30分起来撸一个session,这家伙也在, 也就是说他一天大概可能打16-18小时. 他筹码累积这么高,跟打的时间也有关系.

题外话,凌晨的NL25简直弱得不像话,我在SB3bet AKs, BB Q2s cold call,,我在UTG open AA, BB defend23s,还有的在AT3r的3bet pot, raise我的cbet并且跟注我的3bet with JQo(spr1),都是这种鱼, 打得好爽. 可惜时差问题,平常无福消受. 看到好几个中国ID这个点在淘金.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-9 16:19

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-5 23:28
Donk是一项很有用但是很难的技术.
最近微级别DONK横行, 99.5%都是weak players.

这里河牌over bet是什么考虑？

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-9 19:32

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-9 16:19
这里河牌over bet是什么考虑？

在翻牌villain donk against UTG,可见对位置的理解不深,通常采取这种非常规打法的都是weak players.  Weak并不是指打得弱,也可能打得很凶,但是整体实力弱.
由于没有历史,我不知道他在这里是借助牌面纯诈唬,还是保护性的probe bet 77-66,还是value bet 76.98s,9Xs还是翻前弱打口袋对,翻后没帽子一通瞎凶的纯鱼.

转牌对我非常有利, V所有的顶对,超对,两对基本全部drawing dead, 而且整个flop的donk range在这里基本停不下来,几乎是automatic 2nd barrel.  有时45s在这里suck out,但是组合太少,并不是特别担心.

河牌也非常有利,45s和A5s都可以完全排除了, 基本上到这里我认为他不会有顺子和3条.  他过牌,  绝大多数时候,V会check call,  所以我认为他会很大可能跟注50-66%的下注, 但我仍然考虑更大的下注是否更+EV.

我在翻牌跟注,可以用很广的范围去缠打AdTd,AcTc,AsTs+, 66-77,  他也许认为大多数时候会加注超对. 仅仅跟注显示我的整体范围可能比较弱.
转牌他放心的开枪,我仍然跟注, 继续保留了一部分后门花和顺子听牌.

对方的范围基本capped,坚果很少. 再一个由于前两条街只是跟注,他不可能读出我的牌有AA这么强. 此外我有As,可以rep 很多听花的诈唬. overbet 看上去非常bluffy. V也许会过度解读,从而跟注范围放宽到66-77,78之类这些可能弃牌给正常尺寸的牌.  另外万一对手有TTJJ这种绝对不会弃牌的也可以拿到更多价值. 我没有下注2X是怕太大打走9T,97s.

V认为我的范围太弱,肯定是在诈唬, 从而诈唬回来, 我没有意料到.  但考虑以上因素,我绝对不会弃牌的.  如果他亮出99,88,55  那我把他标记成高手. 只要不是这3组牌就把他标鱼.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-9 20:14

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-9 16:19
这里河牌over bet是什么考虑？

今天PS完全卡死,打不了. 灌点水.

记得前几天,我QQ翻牌中4条,你AA转牌中A那手牌吧. 那手牌把我的人品耗尽.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 10.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)
SB: 264.84 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 19.64, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 56)
Hero (BB): 384.08 BB
UTG: 87.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 17.53, PFR: 10.36, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 257)
CO: 64.76 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 34)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 26 BB, fold, SB raises to 264.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 238.84 BB

Flop: (530.68 BB, 2 players) J

Turn: (530.68 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (530.68 BB, 2 players) 4

SB shows K

(Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 17%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 83%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 522.68 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 146.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 104.64 BB (VPIP: 23.45, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 385)
BB: 113.88 BB (VPIP: 21.59, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 945)
UTG: 72.08 BB (VPIP: 22.08, PFR: 2.60, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 78)
MP: 130.64 BB (VPIP: 15.51, PFR: 9.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 566)
Hero (CO): 275.28 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.4 BB, BTN calls 4.4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (14.6 BB, 3 players) 5

UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 13.96 BB, fold, Hero calls 13.96 BB

Turn: (42.52 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, BTN bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River: (68.52 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 71 BB, Hero raises to 207.92 BB, BTN calls 44.16 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 9

(Full House, Nines full of Fives)
(Pre 81%, Flop 22%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows 5

(Four of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 19%, Flop 78%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 290.84 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 243.88 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 216)
SB: 175.24 BB (VPIP: 27.97, PFR: 19.49, 3Bet Preflop: 1.64, Hands: 123)
Hero (BB): 341.52 BB
UTG: 154.88 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 20.76, 3Bet Preflop: 8.49, Hands: 953)
MP: 157.44 BB (VPIP: 19.69, PFR: 16.14, 3Bet Preflop: 10.78, Hands: 261)
CO: 83.88 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets 11.36 BB, SB calls 11.36 BB

Turn: (40.72 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero bets 12.84 BB, SB raises to 37 BB, Hero calls 24.16 BB

River: (114.72 BB, 2 players) J

SB bets 44 BB, Hero raises to 241.56 BB, SB calls 73.88 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 2

(Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 15%, Turn 0%)
SB shows K

  (Flush, King High)
(Pre 67%, Flop 85%, Turn 100%)
SB wins 342.48 BB

这牌真是该死,V 在sb open 60%,F3 65%,琢磨着任意2张牌可以3bet,结果就赶上了.  不作就不会死,  所以啊用A2/3s去3bet才是王道.

本月输得最大的3手牌.  看着都心疼

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-9 21:05

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-9 19:32
在翻牌villain donk against UTG,可见对位置的理解不深,通常采取这种非常规打法的都是weak players. Wea ...

他这个河牌reraise实在没看懂，河牌over bet范围实际已经比较极化了，他raise 咋呼能打走的牌大部分也能call赢。河牌我可能会下个小注，正常SB cold call的范围几乎就是对子和同色高张，这里他set还是挺多的。不过他秀个K9o还是挺大跌眼镜的。一般sb秀出这种cold call的我一概标记鱼....话说到SB 这个位置，目前体会对抗CO/BTN用3bet fold的策略还是很简单实用的（看很多reg的视频，他们会mix call，我感觉略复杂，不太容易操作）。但是对抗EP/MP这两个位置这种策略感觉比较尴尬，目前用的策略3bet和cold call分割的还是很清晰的，对手可能不清楚，但是我自己很清楚，打起来非常心虚

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-9 21:12

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-9 20:14
今天PS完全卡死,打不了. 灌点水.

记得前几天,我QQ翻牌中4条,你AA转牌中A那手牌吧. 那手牌把我的人品 ...

那牌我印象深刻，打完就懊悔，还不如翻牌前推了，还能赚不少all in EV...100多手牌感觉看3bet的数据不是很有价值啊，我记得以前吴广德写过一个小文章，这种小样本的数据也就vpip和PFR可以参考下，3bet数据样本量要求还是比较高的。话说回来23s 偶尔3bet一下我觉得还可以啊

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 00:07

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-9 21:05
他这个河牌reraise实在没看懂，河牌over bet范围实际已经比较极化了，他raise 咋呼能打走的牌大部分也能c ...

翻牌UTGcbet频率很高，btn可能跟注，真set可以很舒服地xr，他donk 相当于block掉一部分。转牌5block掉一部分set，不痛不痒的两枪然后check river又block掉一部分。我当时有点担心他44诈唬到river击中顺手xr，或者67overplay，完全没考虑flopset。

sb vs utg/mp 我感觉不值得花时间去搞，没有油水，意思意思抵抗下就行了。主要还是搞co btn 和bb。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 00:15

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-9 21:12
那牌我印象深刻，打完就懊悔，还不如翻牌前推了，还能赚不少all in EV...100多手牌感觉看3bet的数据不是 ...

我倒是觉得preflop raise数据100来手做不得数，反而3bet数据对手数要求不高，比如在sb 7次里有两次3bet，我在btnco基本任何Ax都4bet回去。

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-10 01:11

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 00:07
翻牌UTGcbet频率很高，btn可能跟注，真set可以很舒服地xr，他donk 相当于block掉一部分。转牌5block掉一 ...

reg在多人池前位lead出来的牌，还是非常强的，不过这人不是reg，另说。多人池一般比较直白，UTG miss flop的话大部分是个chk，这种潮湿面放一张免费牌出来非常危险，这可能是大部分lead set的人的想法。最近搞了两个pio script，一个是SB vs BB，一个是SB 3bet vs BTN Flat。还没怎么深入的去看，虽然都是OOP，目测一下两种情形SB flop cbet频率差的非常多。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 11:49

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-10 01:11
reg在多人池前位lead出来的牌，还是非常强的，不过这人不是reg，另说。多人池一般比较直白，UTG miss flo ...

我不太喜欢在这种情况下河牌下小注, 因为如果V采用正常的line,只是xc顶对,他的损失和Donk两条街xcriver小注的损失大致是一样的,甚至有可能DONK还少输了. 那么是不是相当于他通过DONK抵销了位置劣势,完整地实现了他的EQUITY. 剥削他就无从谈起了.

除非对方的范围是非常极化的,那才可能考虑过牌或下一个小的价值注.

我自己的donk是这样打的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 384.88 BB (VPIP: 22.72, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 9.82, Hands: 530)
SB: 215.04 BB (VPIP: 22.15, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.35, Hands: 1,388)
Hero (BB): 468.08 BB
UTG: 81.56 BB (VPIP: 36.46, PFR: 17.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 98)
MP: 165.72 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 118.16 BB (VPIP: 18.30, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 2.65, Hands: 313)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7

fold, MP raises to 2.64 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.64 BB

Flop: (5.68 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 5.44 BB, MP calls 5.44 BB

Turn: (16.56 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 29 BB, MP calls 29 BB

River: (74.56 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, MP checks

Hero shows 7

(Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 60%, Turn 23%)
MP shows 5

(Straight, Five High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 40%, Turn 77%)
MP wins 71.2 BB

我的范围是完全极化的,v的范围有太多A, 所以在河牌我准备xf. V哪怕拿着这么强的牌也只能跟着过牌. 说明这次Donk赚到了.
如果河牌是空白或者成对. 继续OVERBET.

我的原则,DONK多数时候是极化的, 大部分要跟对手打光.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-10 12:08

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 11:49
我不太喜欢在这种情况下河牌下小注, 因为如果V采用正常的line,只是xc顶对,他的损失和Donk两条街xcriver小 ...

老哥关于donk极化的观点我是认同的，对于donk过多顶对的玩家，我觉得也可以从另外一个角度剥削：chk范围太弱，可以bet更多的牌。这点有点类似IP VS PFR，几乎的所有的低级别玩家（包括我自己）在很多牌面都会过高估计自己的优势，cbet过多导致chk范围非常非常弱

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 16:59

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-10 12:08
老哥关于donk极化的观点我是认同的，对于donk过多顶对的玩家，我觉得也可以从另外一个角度剥削：chk范围 ...

继续发和di rossi81今天打的牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 377.76 BB (VPIP: 19.00, PFR: 15.66, 3Bet Preflop: 14.94, Hands: 2,600)
SB: 88.12 BB (VPIP: 41.03, PFR: 25.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BB: 343.56 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 36)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 58.12 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 16)
CO: 137.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.4 BB, 3 players) J

Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 9.12 BB, Hero raises to 37.28 BB, fold, BTN calls 28.16 BB

Turn: (84.96 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 59.72 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 59.72 BB

River: (204.4 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows Q

(Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 80%, Flop 54%, Turn 82%)
BTN shows 5

(Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 20%, Flop 46%, Turn 18%)
BTN wins 196.4 BB

对这人失去兴趣了, 估计这货是在一个大上风期.

今天set和flush都糟了殃.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 229.52 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.18, Hands: 294)
SB: 114.04 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 63.64 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 18.06, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
MP: 276.16 BB (VPIP: 15.56, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 48)
Hero (CO): 199.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8

UTG raises to 2.48 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.48 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (7.84 BB, 3 players) T

BB bets 3.76 BB, UTG calls 3.76 BB, Hero calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (19.12 BB, 3 players) 9

BB bets 9.12 BB, UTG calls 9.12 BB, Hero calls 9.12 BB

River: (46.48 BB, 3 players) A

BB checks, UTG bets 30 BB, Hero raises to 134.4 BB, fold, UTG calls 61.04 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 8

(Full House, Eights full of Nines)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 91%)
UTG shows A

(Full House, Aces full of Nines)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 9%)
UTG wins 220.56 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 170.24 BB
SB: 105.6 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 96)
BB: 108.68 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 116.76 BB (VPIP: 18.91, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.84, Hands: 640)
MP: 139.72 BB (VPIP: 29.27, PFR: 20.33, 3Bet Preflop: 1.61, Hands: 128)
CO: 69.2 BB (VPIP: 34.55, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, BB calls 1.28 BB

Flop: (4.96 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.44 BB, BB raises to 9.88 BB, Hero calls 4.44 BB

Turn: (24.72 BB, 2 players) 6

BB bets 96.52 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 96.52 BB

River: (217.76 BB, 2 players) 7

BB shows 3

(Full House, Threes full of Sevens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 9

(Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 209.76 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 151.16 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 87)
Hero (SB): 102.68 BB
BB: 220.32 BB (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 15.70, 3Bet Preflop: 8.27, Hands: 378)
UTG: 154.12 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 620.48 BB (VPIP: 17.89, PFR: 8.42, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 96)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.24 BB, Hero calls 1.84 BB, BB calls 1.24 BB

Flop: (6.72 BB, 3 players) J

Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 3.2 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, BTN calls 12.8 BB

Turn: (38.72 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 24.4 BB, BTN raises to 70 BB, Hero raises to 84.44 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 14.44 BB

River: (207.6 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows 8

(Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 54%, Flop 35%, Turn 23%)
BTN shows T

(Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 46%, Flop 65%, Turn 77%)
BTN wins 199.6 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.32, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 11.36, Hands: 90)
SB: 165.48 BB (VPIP: 19.32, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 90)
BB: 128.32 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 12.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 134)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (MP): 145.36 BB
CO: 126.72 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.96 BB, 2 players) A

Hero bets 3.76 BB, CO calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (13.48 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, CO bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 27.88 BB, CO raises to 120.68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 92.8 BB

River: (254.84 BB, 2 players) K

Hero shows K

(Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 55%, Turn 0%)
CO shows K

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 45%, Turn 100%)
CO wins 246.84 BB

还有这手打错了, AF控制不好的话容易出这种错. 如果Kc在手中的话这样打可能是正确的. 要多抠细节.

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 18:49
为什么同样NL25 zoom，我玩的几乎全是小底池，你咋那么多big pot？

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 19:02
本帖最后由 lordzxd 于 2018-1-10 19:06 编辑

一条街价值诈频发表于 2017-12-19 22:32
后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~ 第1手牌你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是M ...

6max zoom NL25 之下：

一般在UTG拿到KdTd suited牌，我推荐open 0.6刀=2.5BB，有时候open 0.5刀=2BB，都很不错，主要是降低被3bet后弃牌的代价，能少输一美毛也是好的。

偶尔我有时候也会open 0.85-0.95刀示强，期待直接收底，即便收不到底池，也很少会被人3bet，绝大多数情况下应该能看见翻牌。

总之这手牌没有太大的必要干到全下，NL25很少有KTs在UTG领跑打到全下的。

另外，不管怎么样，大盲下面坐的都是UTG----无论是6max还是9max

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 19:24
标题: RE: Zoom专题讨论
本帖最后由 lordzxd 于 2018-1-10 19:26 编辑

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-19 23:17
谢评论. 有讨论才有进步

UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全 ...

在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全是在烧钱, 不太可能打出+EV. 拿来3bet EV也很有限(我尝试过5万手,真不赚钱),当然每个人体系可能不一样.  不管什么体系,在MP跟注EP,基本上就是排除顶端3%左右了.  小对子,AT/Js这些占了很大比例.
在MP（第二个位置）用78s cold call UTG玩家的3bb open，绝大多数情况下会在UTG光环保护之下免遭3bet-----这个比BTN cold call CO要好的多
所以78s cold call，期待CO、BTN均弃牌，78s还是可以玩一玩的，并不是说MP一定不能玩同花连。

对手在flop raise for semi-bluff，只是因为翻牌面和你范围距离太远，一般UTG只能扔掉miss的两高牌，打的虽然变态了些，但也不完全算不合理----因为flop咋呼代价最小。

KdTd 是我EP最底端,肯定是要fold给preflop 3bet. 然而对MP来说在这个flop r for value的牌实在太少了,只有SET,45s. 所以我认为非常不合理. A5,66,77,88,9Ts,TT,JJ等等一些中等的牌也可能会用来半诈唬,毕竟他有位置,后面可以顺利摊牌.而这个牌面对UTG来说并不太有利.    而我的range里有太多超对, 只有很少7-8个flush draw的诈唬. 所以我认为3bet 更好.  我只需要诈唬走他9X,66-88等. 我计划要在转牌overbet全进, 但是这个6不太有利, 这时对超对来说全进显得不太合理. 河牌还算不错.所有9X,88肯定都跟不动了.
这里cold call对手的3bet 会比较稳健，扮演一手赖着不走的高对。
你的手牌如果是AdXd，也可以在这个flop直接raise to all-in咋呼，大多情况下并不会看见set，这里用KdXd（基本上没什么后门顺子可draw）在不利位置做3bet，很容易失控----最畏惧看见的就是AdXd

JJ,这手是他push我,  当然他不推我也要推的. 我的体系里4bet出去时大概有40%都是诈唬(抽空我截图出来给大家看),所以我3bet很少诈唬.
你只用3手牌4bet+打光. 那说明你做3bet时诈唬的比例太高了. 你可以回想看是不是被4bet的频率非常高.
在NL25 Zoom里，100BB用JJ（包括AK、QQ）推或call全下，非常的负EV------长期来看一定如此
这手牌我在flop 100% fold。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 19:38

lordzxd 发表于 2018-1-10 18:49
为什么同样NL25 zoom，我玩的几乎全是小底池，你咋那么多big pot？

都打一个级别先握个手.
查了一下数据, 这个月有你十几手的历史记录. 可能你打的时间段和我不一样吧.

先假设你这句话没有什么倾向性. 我平均每天3000手+. 不知道你打几手.

你说"我玩的几乎全是小底池"-----不需任何数据证明,这显然是不可能的.

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 19:42

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-20 00:27
你说的这种打法我打过一段，几个月前弃用了。翻前去剥削EP不是一个好策略，只是一个很tricky的短线操 ...

攻防的时候我只考虑对手的整体范围，不会考虑他是set我该如何，两对该如何，顶对该如何。

这里我一般更多考虑长期效应----毕竟是zoom不需要考虑形象
也就是说，flop KTs cbet 遭遇raise，长期来看应当考虑call还是raise怼回去更有利；

通常来看，由于对手能够raise回来的范围里有一些强听和两对、set，更多情况下call一手会比较合理。

另外就是river 做一个check /fold就可以了，没必要扩大损失。

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 19:43
本帖最后由 lordzxd 于 2018-1-10 19:47 编辑

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 19:38
都打一个级别先握个手.
查了一下数据, 这个月有你十几手的历史记录. 可能你打的时间段和我不一样吧.
...

我玩的少，我说绝大多数都是小底池，大概100手牌干到pot 100BB+不会超过5手----印象里是如此。

我在你那的数据是多少？

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 19:58

傻傻的鱼发表于 2017-12-21 10:08
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

25去3bet UTG的open，一般我不太认同-----至少我会考虑在BTN，会安全一些。
当然，这个对手的数据比较惨，这样干他也不是不可以，但仍然应该建议在BTN这样干。

毕竟25实在是有点垃圾。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 20:07

lordzxd 发表于 2018-1-10 19:02
6max zoom NL25 之下：

一般在UTG拿到KdTd suited牌，我推荐open 0.6刀=2.5BB，有时候open 0.5刀=2BB，都 ...

你的open尺度我不评价,各有所好.

你提到位置的说法,我挺惊讶.  你打PS也是裸奔,不要软件?.  或者HM的描述方法和PT4不一样.  我把图贴出来,终结关于位置称呼的话题.

还有楼下关于78s的打法, 你说的我完全不能认同.  不被3bet让78看到flop又如何?  如果你有数据可以去翻一翻,cold call78s给你的是利润还是损失.我把我这个月玩78s的数据贴上来. 如果仅仅是印象流MP cold call 78s也是好玩法,恐怕不太妥  可以把你的78s也贴上来,我们探讨一下.

"在NL25Z,JJ AK QQ 推或call全下,非常的负EV"----我只能说呵呵了.

KTs这手, river我赞同你说的,过牌放弃更合理. 翻牌仅仅跟注2bet 在UTG?  完全不能接受,3bet没问题,如果是在盲位,或者co.  仅仅跟注也不是很差.

关于大锅小锅, 不可否认我有时会控制不住合适的AF.  但我觉得总体pot management的思路没有错,  对手范围弱就把锅往大里搞,对手范围强就往小里搞.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 20:11

lordzxd 发表于 2018-1-10 19:43
我玩的少，我说绝大多数都是小底池，大概100手牌干到pot 100BB+不会超过5手----印象里是如此。

我在你那 ...

我去。100手里5手100BB+的锅是什么概念？？还叫少。我的数据是1%。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 20:21

lordzxd 发表于 2018-1-10 19:43
我玩的少，我说绝大多数都是小底池，大概100手牌干到pot 100BB+不会超过5手----印象里是如此。

我在你那 ...

看错,只有你4手数据. 没有任何信息

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 20:47

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 20:07
你的open尺度我不评价,各有所好.

你提到位置的说法,我挺惊讶. 你打PS也是裸奔,不要软件?. 或者HM的 ...

我裸奔娱乐玩家，偏紧（19-21%），3bet preflop大概在4%（自我感觉）

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 20:59
本帖最后由 lordzxd 于 2018-1-10 21:00 编辑

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 20:07
你的open尺度我不评价,各有所好.

你提到位置的说法,我挺惊讶. 你打PS也是裸奔,不要软件?. 或者HM的 ...

78s很多时候我在UTG都是直接扔的。有关位置和起手牌表格里，或者那个什么pokersnowie推荐的打法里，78s在MP应该是有一定call入底池的比例的。

所以具体不需要再深入讨论78s了

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-10 21:06

lordzxd 发表于 2018-1-10 20:47
我裸奔娱乐玩家，偏紧（19-21%），3bet preflop大概在4%（自我感觉）

数据就是形象。

线上不用软件约等于线下不读人。

以前看见有人说5万手这个打法，下五万手那个打法，别人就解读不到准确信息啥的，都是外行话。

数据不会说谎

作者: lordzxd 时间: 2018-1-10 21:09
本帖最后由 lordzxd 于 2018-1-10 21:15 编辑

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-10 21:06
数据就是形象。

线上不用软件约等于线下不读人。

有软件当然好，这不是没买嘛。

没软件也能打打，只能这样说了。

看到了你那几个牌例：set被顺杀、顺被同花杀、同花被更大同花杀那几个。

我觉得主要问题还是有点过激了，适当性的自控一下，这些牌上面可能会少输些，少输就是赢，因为NL25还是很多玩家遵循多大牌力玩多大底池的游戏规则，要充分利用这一点。

当然，顶葫芦被4条屠、AA河牌击中成为更大葫芦等等这种cooler不在讨论范围之内。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-11 10:04
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-11 10:19 编辑

少输就是赢的另一面就是少赢就是输. AF最高的时候达到过2.9, 目前稳定在2.2左右.

AF这个东西永远是结合牌面和位置和action.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.02, PFR: 19.08, 3Bet Preflop: 5.85, Hands: 957)
SB: 34.44 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 104.72 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 89)
Hero (UTG): 392.84 BB
MP: 130.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.71, PFR: 21.30, 3Bet Preflop: 14.63, Hands: 237)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, MP calls 2.68 BB, CO calls 2.68 BB, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (11.72 BB, 4 players) A

SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: (11.72 BB, 4 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, MP raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.4 BB

River: (32.52 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, MP bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

MP shows 2

(Full House, Twos full of Aces)
(Pre 52%, Flop 7%, Turn 84%)
Hero mucks Q

  (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 48%, Flop 93%, Turn 16%)
MP wins 57.8 BB

同样是枪口vsMP.  牌面和动作不合适,那就ABC,我激进吗

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.24 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): 138.24 BB
BB: 81.28 BB (VPIP: 26.19, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
UTG: 89.64 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.13, PFR: 6.48, 3Bet Preflop: 1.58, Hands: 505)
CO: 150.8 BB (VPIP: 27.40, PFR: 20.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 149)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, UTG calls 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

Flop: (40 BB, 3 players) 3

Hero bets 19 BB, UTG raises to 76.64 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 57.64 BB

Turn: (193.28 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (193.28 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows K

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 72%, Flop 80%, Turn 75%)
UTG shows 5

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 28%, Flop 20%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins 185.28 BB

牌面和动作,赔率合适, Ahigh也不跑, 不激进吗?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.88 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 353.24 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 42)
BB: 113.76 BB (VPIP: 39.47, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
UTG: 90.92 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 19.17, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 124)
MP: 96.24 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (CO): 134.64 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, SB calls 14 BB

Flop: (47 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (47 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 14.8 BB, Hero calls 14.8 BB

River: (76.6 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 46.8 BB, Hero calls 46.8 BB

SB shows T

(Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 71%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows T

(Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 31%, Flop 29%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 162.56 BB
V line不合理,那就一定抓诈唬,算不算激进. 这手用时120",用光计时器

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.16 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 14.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.77, Hands: 431)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 98.44 BB (VPIP: 25.41, PFR: 12.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.82, Hands: 188)
CO: 290.84 BB (VPIP: 37.65, PFR: 27.06, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 86)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10.6 BB, CO calls 7.2 BB

Flop: (21.6 BB, 2 players) K

Hero bets 13.64 BB, CO calls 13.64 BB

Turn: (48.88 BB, 2 players) J

Hero bets 75.76 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 46.68 BB
V F3 18%,Float Flop 80%,简直就是召唤诈唬的活靶子,诈唬就诈唬到底,就用范围碾压,算不算激进.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.76 BB (VPIP: 24.66, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 74)
SB: 57.76 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
BB: 25.16 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: 298.76 BB (VPIP: 18.99, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 14.92, Hands: 2,617)
MP: 142.88 BB (VPIP: 20.74, PFR: 13.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 194)
Hero (CO): 232 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, MP raises to 2.08 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 5.92 BB

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) T

MP checks, Hero bets 10.96 BB, MP raises to 23.68 BB, Hero calls 12.72 BB

Turn: (64.76 BB, 2 players) 3

MP bets 27.2 BB, Hero calls 27.2 BB

River: (119.16 BB, 2 players) 9

MP bets 84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 84 BB

MP shows 4

(Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 51%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows J

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 279.16 BB
虽然最近比较霉,有时候也是能击中NUTS的

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 78.2 BB (VPIP: 24.06, PFR: 16.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.73, Hands: 272)
SB: 118.88 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 74)
BB: 256.08 BB (VPIP: 24.65, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 11.82, Hands: 295)
UTG: 114.4 BB (VPIP: 23.22, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.72, Hands: 935)
MP: 151.96 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (CO): 376.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 9.6 BB, Hero calls 6.92 BB

Flop: (19.6 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 11.2 BB, Hero calls 11.2 BB

Turn: (42 BB, 2 players) 2

BB bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (90 BB, 2 players) K

BB bets 60 BB, Hero calls 60 BB

BB shows A

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 45%, Turn 30%)
Hero mucks K

(Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 55%, Turn 70%)
BB wins 202 BB
河牌真想弃,实在弃不掉,还能赢AA吗. 鱼的本性还没有完全清除.还需要提高.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-12 16:37
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-12 18:05 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 176.8 BB
SB: 162 BB (VPIP: 20.91, PFR: 17.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.95, Hands: 816)
BB: 138.24 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.17, PFR: 20.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 286)
MP: 137.68 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 19)
CO: 241.12 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 25.33, 3Bet Preflop: 12.99, Hands: 231)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 29 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

Flop: (59.4 BB, 2 players) K

CO bets 14.16 BB, Hero calls 14.16 BB

Turn: (87.72 BB, 2 players) 6

CO checks, Hero checks

River: (87.72 BB, 2 players) 5

CO bets 197.96 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 133.64 BB and is all-in

Villain200手数据, Vpip27%,Co open 42% F3 40%, 4bet 10%. 打到摊牌 18%, 摊牌胜率总体17%.摊牌胜率(大锅) 25% 这个河牌overbet,该不该call.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-12 20:11
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 254.64 BB
SB: 105.36 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 36)
BB: 752.6 BB (VPIP: 18.95, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 15.23, Hands: 2,811)
UTG: 402.12 BB (VPIP: 18.30, PFR: 12.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.76, Hands: 324)
MP: 155.04 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 74.6 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, BB raises to 8.88 BB, Hero calls 6.6 BB

Flop: (18.16 BB, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (18.16 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 16.16 BB, Hero calls 16.16 BB

River: (50.48 BB, 2 players) A

BB bets 43.4 BB, Hero calls 43.4 BB

BB shows 5

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 40%, Flop 4%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows Q

(One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 96%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 131.12 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 224.64 BB (VPIP: 41.94, PFR: 30.65, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 64)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.66, PFR: 18.20, 3Bet Preflop: 8.43, Hands: 464)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.73, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 9.25, Hands: 736)
MP: 265 BB (VPIP: 21.71, PFR: 18.54, 3Bet Preflop: 9.55, Hands: 422)
CO: 461.88 BB (VPIP: 18.98, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 15.66, Hands: 2,862)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, fold, CO raises to 5.52 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.52 BB

Flop: (11.44 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, CO bets 10.04 BB, Hero calls 10.04 BB

Turn: (31.52 BB, 2 players) A

Hero bets 30.12 BB, CO calls 30.12 BB

River: (91.76 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows A

(Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 19%, Turn 23%)
CO shows T

  (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 68%, Flop 81%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 87.64 BB

又是这个di rossi81.  他的行为模式摸透后非常好打.  可惜微级别牌手不会这样专门去研究别人怎么打.  如果每天花1-2个小时把大部分对手的打法都捋一遍的话,盈率保守能增加3bb吧.  还是太懒.

发现别人的漏洞还比较简单,发现自己的漏洞千难万难.

最明显的一点是,"河牌不喜欢弃牌"

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 145.8 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 14.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 205)
Hero (SB): 201.6 BB
BB: 196.72 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 112.36 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 213.6 BB (VPIP: 22.11, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 8.38, Hands: 510)
CO: 93.48 BB (VPIP: 22.95, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BB raises to 9.2 BB, Hero calls 6.52 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, BB bets 11.4 BB, Hero calls 11.4 BB

Turn: (41.2 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BB checks

River: (41.2 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 14 BB, BB raises to 52 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

BB shows J

(Full House, Jacks full of Nines)
(Pre 68%, Flop 95%, Turn 90%)
Hero mucks A

(Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 32%, Flop 5%, Turn 10%)
BB wins 138.68 BB

河牌除了JJ没有牌可以这样打. 有时候还真就是JJ. 太快跟注也不好,这手想了20秒就跟了,应该多想一想. 过于Leveling,数据太少的对手,不知道是阿猫还是阿狗.

总结"河牌多弃牌, 特别是投入不多的时候,多主动下注,少跟注.overbluff的人还是少数."

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 187.4 BB (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 12.67, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 152)
SB: 353.28 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 28)
BB: 590.84 BB (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 280)
UTG: 86.96 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
Hero (MP): 427.2 BB
CO: 132.56 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 19.74, 3Bet Preflop: 7.22, Hands: 712)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.6 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) 3

SB bets 3.84 BB, fold, UTG calls 3.84 BB, Hero raises to 16.48 BB, fold, UTG calls 12.64 BB

Turn: (44.8 BB, 2 players) A

UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (44.8 BB, 2 players) 9

UTG bets 68.48 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 42.8 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 150.28 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 110)
SB: 184.52 BB (VPIP: 32.10, PFR: 20.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.96, Hands: 170)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 103.32 BB (VPIP: 25.79, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 225)
Hero (MP): 155.76 BB
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 8.6 BB, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) 8

SB checks, BB bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB, SB calls 14 BB

Turn: (72 BB, 3 players) 9

SB checks, BB bets 28 BB, Hero calls 28 BB, SB raises to 60 BB, BB calls 32 BB, fold

River: (220 BB, 2 players) 2

SB bets 101.52 BB and is all-in, BB calls 17 BB and is all-in

SB shows 3

(Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BB shows Q

(High Card, King)
(Pre 48%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 246 BB

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-12 20:14
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.68 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 57)
SB: 102.36 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 34)
BB: 174.44 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (UTG): 153.52 BB
MP: 328.32 BB (VPIP: 14.50, PFR: 9.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.93, Hands: 345)
CO: 130.36 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, SB calls 1.88 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 23 BB

Flop: (74.56 BB, 2 players) 7

BB checks, Hero bets 23.48 BB, BB calls 23.48 BB

Turn: (121.52 BB, 2 players) 5

BB checks, Hero bets 95.04 BB and is all-in, BB calls 95.04 BB

River: (311.6 BB, 2 players) 7

BB shows 8

(Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 22%, Flop 34%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 78%, Flop 66%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 303.6 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 124.2 BB (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 49)
SB: 77.88 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 35)
BB: 252.2 BB (VPIP: 13.73, PFR: 9.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 417)
Hero (UTG): 207.4 BB
MP: 334.28 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 153.72 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.4 BB, 3 players) J

Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB

Turn: (16.4 BB, 3 players) 4

Hero checks, CO bets 16 BB, BTN calls 16 BB, Hero raises to 37 BB, CO calls 21 BB, BTN raises to 119.2 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 202.4 BB and is all-in, CO calls 111.72 BB and is all-in

River: (433.04 BB, 3 players) 3

Hero shows Q

(Full House, Queens full of Jacks)

Main Pot [374 BB]: (Pre 56%, Flop 99.7%, Turn 100%)
Side Pot#1 [59.04 BB]: (Pre 82%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)

CO shows T

(Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Main Pot [374 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [59.04 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

BTN shows K

(Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Main Pot [374 BB]: (Pre 28%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 425.04 BB

这种类型的傻B多一点该多好.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-13 22:43
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 120.72 BB (VPIP: 32.09, PFR: 25.37, 3Bet Preflop: 17.31, Hands: 137)
BB: 158.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 57)
Hero (UTG): 103.88 BB
MP: 100.24 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 46)
CO: 76.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) T

SB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, SB raises to 27 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (67 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets 70.88 BB and is all-in, SB calls 70.88 BB

Hero shows 5

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 52%, Flop 4%, Turn 16%)
SB shows 2

  (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 48%, Flop 96%, Turn 84%)
SB wins 200.76 BB

Villain snap call,搞得我有点懵逼, 这怎么能call得动呢,而且还秒call.          后来发现这货应该是上头了.  Zoom最爱的是这种, 最怕的也是这种人, 完全不知道对方情绪.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.44 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 80.96 BB
Hero (BB): 162 BB
UTG: 102.64 BB (VPIP: 24.78, PFR: 15.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 119)
MP: 105.92 BB (VPIP: 45.71, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 35)
CO: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 5.68 BB, SB calls 5.68 BB

Turn: (29.36 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB calls 17 BB

River: (63.36 BB, 2 players) K

SB checks, Hero bets 60.52 BB, SB calls 49.28 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 72%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
SB shows Q

  (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 29%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 154.64 BB

这手牌可能有点争议,  我在河牌长考后allin.  我认为这里下注比check的EV要高得多.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-15 11:56
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 61.88 BB (VPIP: 43.33, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
SB: 69.8 BB (VPIP: 27.24, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 251)
BB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.19, PFR: 18.63, 3Bet Preflop: 13.08, Hands: 374)
UTG: 241.56 BB (VPIP: 16.23, PFR: 12.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.90, Hands: 827)
Hero (MP): 213.24 BB
CO: 109.64 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Flop: (39.4 BB, 2 players) K

UTG checks, Hero bets 12.44 BB, UTG calls 12.44 BB

Turn: (64.28 BB, 2 players) 3

UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (64.28 BB, 2 players) 5

UTG checks, Hero bets 82 BB, UTG calls 82 BB

Hero shows 5

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 40%, Turn 91%)
UTG mucks Q

  (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 60%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 220.28 BB

早上刚打的一手牌, 觉得打得很好. review的时候又出现一点疑问.River Jam 还是1.3-1.5X左右更好.

SPR接近3.
V是一个非常紧的reg,  如果把AK放进他的范围,这里应该Jam.
如果把AK移除掉,只剩下AAQQKK, V大概有8%的坚果, 大概可以bet 2X左右.
考虑到hero的bluff 范围有且只有3手AhQx. 有KK,还有7手NUT FLUSH.  只需要bet 1.2-1.4X就可以平衡.

对上比较紧的REG,如果JAM他很大可能会FOLD AA. 所以似乎我的下注尺寸还是合理的.

然而从他用QQ no heart,hero call来看, 显然是一个overcaller.  我应该下注2X,刚好100BB,接近他后手的一半,他还是很可能会call.  从这个角度来看, 好像又是损失18bb左右的value(相当于要多打几百手牌).

GTO is so confusing in terms of river sizing

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-15 19:44
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-15 20:35 编辑

发几手有趣的牌,关于波动.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 157.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 363.16 BB (VPIP: 20.29, PFR: 14.78, 3Bet Preflop: 8.50, Hands: 1,066)
Hero (BB): 355.52 BB
UTG: 46.6 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
MP: 159.84 BB (VPIP: 21.78, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.11, Hands: 1,282)
CO: 137.8 BB (VPIP: 27.75, PFR: 23.56, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 197)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8

SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 12 BB, Hero raises to 37.92 BB, SB calls 25.92 BB

River: (91.84 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows 6

(One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 38%, Flop 23%, Turn 34%)
Hero shows 9

  (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 62%, Flop 77%, Turn 66%)
Hero wins 87.72 BB

V是个韩国棒子,  河牌非常恶心,  使得我代表的55,A5o,88少了很多, 只剩下8J,A8之类的不支持overbet的牌,如果下注少了基本V任何Ax都不会弃, 反复斟酌后我放弃了诈唬,没想到Thigh收锅.    棒子在转牌有那么多更好的LINE可以打, 他选择了最差的一条.所以他这手是实实在在地输了,和波动无关.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129.32 BB (VPIP: 19.66, PFR: 17.98, 3Bet Preflop: 14.71, Hands: 182)
SB: 418.4 BB (VPIP: 20.28, PFR: 14.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.74, Hands: 1,230)
BB: 201.44 BB (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG: 79.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (MP): 119.32 BB
CO: 185.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 204)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Turn: (41 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 27 BB, Hero calls 27 BB

River: (95 BB, 2 players) 3

SB bets 90.72 BB, Hero calls 72.32 BB and is all-in

SB shows 5

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 41%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A

(Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 231.64 BB

另一桌还是这个棒子.韩国人的风格,你示弱他就狠命锤.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 18.78, PFR: 12.94, 3Bet Preflop: 2.76, Hands: 406)
SB: 183.2 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BB: 107.32 BB (VPIP: 22.89, PFR: 16.11, 3Bet Preflop: 7.34, Hands: 1,040)
UTG: 372.24 BB (VPIP: 22.52, PFR: 16.99, 3Bet Preflop: 10.57, Hands: 690)
Hero (MP): 207.4 BB
CO: 133.96 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 12.8 BB, Hero calls 10.12 BB

Flop: (26 BB, 2 players) 7

BB bets 12.4 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

Turn: (50.8 BB, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero checks

River: (50.8 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 28.56 BB, Hero calls 28.56 BB

BB shows A

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 46%, Flop 27%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows Q

(Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 54%, Flop 73%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 103.08 BB

canadian

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 84.92 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (SB): 113.28 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 14.08, Hands: 194)
UTG: 156.8 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
MP: 247.76 BB (VPIP: 21.84, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 3.93, Hands: 1,477)
CO: 150.24 BB (VPIP: 23.96, PFR: 15.21, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 219)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 9 BB, UTG calls 9 BB

Turn: (41 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 20 BB, UTG calls 20 BB

River: (81 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 73.28 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 73.28 BB

Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 69%, Flop 90%, Turn 97%)
UTG shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 31%, Flop 10%, Turn 3%)
Hero wins 219.56 BB

Greek.

在过去长达一年的时间中, Allin EV的波动一直处在不利于的一边,偏离非常大, 对此我无能为力. 要提高我的游戏水平, 只能尽力分析ALLIN EV之外的波动, 以期正确认知技术水平,建立信心.

上面这几手牌, 没有在转牌前全进,不存在allin ev的波动,  但波动仍然是存在的.  今天波动站在我这一边, 这几手全赢了.  换一天同样的打法,对手不是36s,是AX.    对手不是空气是AK, 对手不是AcKc而是AsKx.  对手不是A7s而是A8AQ.  我这几手全输了(这是非常可能且经常发生的.)

今天全赢,明天全输, 表面EV为0.
有人有雄心壮志, 说要消灭波动, 这些情况全部弃牌,EV是0,不就0波动了吗,还省抽水钱. 这当然是非常错误的理念.  无数个明天之后,这些LINE的真实EV会拨开波动的迷雾,那个就是真实的盈率.

有人说要控制波动,有人会一刀切地告诉你TPTK不要打进全部身家, 要控池.  最后AK这手为例, 如果在河牌check控池,那不论这一手结果如何,你输钱了(损失EV).也就是说不是赢或输在波动,而是真切的输了,是技术问题. 因为这里最大EV的动作是全进而不是check.

如果一手牌下主100BB是Max EV,最后输了.这个是波动,EV不会减少. 然而你只下注80BB,最后输了,是波动同时也是错误(20BB的永久性损失,永远不会还回来). 如果因为少输了20BB而沾沾自喜,错误就会永远存在下去.

5万手,10万手的输赢数据,偏离数据根本不值得大惊小怪.  真正关切的应该是拨开波动定位真实技术水平的能力.  任何非波动性的错误,立刻马上现在就改.

这是最近复盘学习的一点心得. 接受甚至欢迎波动在改善心态上起到了很好的作用.

波动可以坏到连续10次同样的场景都输,第11次时改变了打法,这时候真正可怕的下风来了,因为波动+错误就像龙卷风席卷一切,摧毁信心和bankroll.只有无所畏惧的心态才能坚持正确的打法. 前提是要正确认识波动,接受波动.    不要在下风期改变打法.  不管是输40,60,80个买入.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 12:41
接受波动后, 复盘的意义就非常明确了, 就是找出波动之外的错误.相当于有了一种很简便的给自己找漏洞的方法.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 113.44 BB
SB: 106.68 BB (VPIP: 25.21, PFR: 18.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.49, Hands: 248)
BB: 102.48 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 20)
UTG: 411.16 BB (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 17.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.99, Hands: 753)
MP: 230.6 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
CO: 122.84 BB (VPIP: 12.70, PFR: 8.73, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 127)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.8 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 4

UTG bets 4.48 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BB

Turn: (15.96 BB, 2 players) 7

UTG bets 12.04 BB, Hero raises to 38 BB, UTG calls 25.96 BB

River: (91.96 BB, 2 players) A

UTG checks, Hero bets 68.16 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 68.16 BB

Hero shows 9

(One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 14%)
UTG shows A

  (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 86%)
UTG wins 220.28 BB

V 会弃掉88,99,JJ,QQ,KK,KTs,QTs,JTs. 错过的听牌. struggle with Nutted FD并且很容易犯错误, 因此,河牌的诈唬本身应该是偏中性的,有足够的FE. 诈唬的EV应该大于0,但是不会正得很多,就当是0吧.

而check的话, 我大概有20%=19BB左右.          也就是说无论输赢这手牌犯了19bb的错误=1900bb/100h

99在河牌尚且有20%的equity, 那么在转牌呢?应该接近38-40%.  所以这里的leak显而易见:"99 is too strong to semi or bluff."  由此可见T上的semi bluff范围需要重建. 33,45,56,55,78是更好的选择.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 12:45
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 254.04 BB (VPIP: 18.42, PFR: 15.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.97, Hands: 198)
Hero (SB): 142.52 BB
BB: 119.92 BB (VPIP: 19.72, PFR: 15.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 73)
UTG: 94.4 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 21.14, 3Bet Preflop: 13.24, Hands: 180)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.94, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 73)
CO: 461.2 BB (VPIP: 33.65, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 108)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 6 BB, CO calls 6 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 32 BB, CO calls 32 BB

River: (95 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 95.52 BB and is all-in, CO calls 95.52 BB

Hero shows K

(Flush, King High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 56%, Turn 68%)
CO shows K

  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 75%, Flop 44%, Turn 32%)
CO wins 278.04 BB

这手略微有点复杂,  Flop的cbet size还有其他选项.  最近在思考OOP在动态牌面,overbet flop, overbet Turn的打法.  还不是很确定QK是不是可以overbet, KhKx可以overbet无疑.

这手,我归结于波动. 没什么问题.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 12:48
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 206 BB (VPIP: 33.06, PFR: 24.79, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 125)
Hero (SB): 186.64 BB
BB: 114.08 BB (VPIP: 22.37, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 1,197)
UTG: 52.08 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 208.56 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 83.48 BB (VPIP: 32.20, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero bets 6 BB, MP calls 6 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 15 BB, MP calls 15 BB

River: (61 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 64 BB, MP raises to 178.56 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 181 BB

河牌bet fold, 和xc. 我认为bet fold更好. 这手应该也没有什么问题.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 12:50
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-16 12:59 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 378.8 BB
SB: 309.96 BB (VPIP: 15.36, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 8.63, Hands: 328)
BB: 211.44 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG: 433.88 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 19.37, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 195)
MP: 99.52 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 164.12 BB (VPIP: 22.82, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 309)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.72 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 12.64 BB, Hero raises to 42.56 BB, SB calls 29.92 BB

River: (106.12 BB, 2 players) 6

SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows K

(Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 81%, Flop 89%, Turn 77%)
Hero mucks 8

  (Two Pair, Eights and Sixes)
(Pre 19%, Flop 11%, Turn 23%)
SB wins 101.36 BB

这手和上面99是同一个错误, 如果今天没有发现, 就会一直一直存在下去.  r 44,56的话会好得多.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.56 BB (VPIP: 20.21, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 9.69, Hands: 792)
SB: 53.08 BB (VPIP: 43.42, PFR: 17.11, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 78)
BB: 182.6 BB (VPIP: 25.76, PFR: 17.80, 3Bet Preflop: 11.67, Hands: 271)
UTG: 47.84 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 3.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 59)
MP: 51.96 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (CO): 332.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB calls 1.88 BB, BB raises to 15 BB, Hero calls 12.72 BB, fold

Flop: (32.28 BB, 2 players) 6

BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (56.28 BB, 2 players) 5

BB bets 43 BB, Hero raises to 89.12 BB, fold

Hero wins 135.88 BB

这手实际是一脉相承. 不同的是这手我觉得是正确的bluff hands. 7J很可能是领先的,但是在河牌跟不动任何下注. 这类的牌用来bluff应该是非常好的选择.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 13:09
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141.4 BB (VPIP: 25.29, PFR: 19.65, 3Bet Preflop: 3.16, Hands: 530)
SB: 209.56 BB (VPIP: 16.26, PFR: 12.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 888)
BB: 267.36 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 183)
UTG: 222.6 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 17)
MP: 162 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.66, Hands: 1,458)
Hero (CO): 176.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, MP raises to 2.72 BB, Hero calls 2.72 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.72 BB

Flop: (8.56 BB, 3 players) T

BB checks, MP bets 4.24 BB, Hero raises to 20.88 BB, fold, MP calls 16.64 BB

Turn: (50.32 BB, 2 players) 2

MP checks, Hero bets 15.84 BB, MP calls 15.84 BB

River: (82 BB, 2 players) 5

MP checks, Hero bets 136.64 BB and is all-in, MP calls 122.56 BB and is all-in

Hero shows K

(Straight, King High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 65%, Turn 77%)
MP shows J

  (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 56%, Flop 35%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 319.12 BB

这手牌打得相当好.  转牌尺寸非常optimal.或许不是最optimal,但我更喜欢让对方oop用整体flop call range继续一场他没有胜算的决斗.
V made a tiny mistake otf(我认为,bet-jam, or xc 比bet-call好).  评估这里的实际EV,要看河牌发张2的话怎么处理. 双方同时拿到顶端牌的时候,胜利者多数时候都是IP.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 13:39
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 148.92 BB
SB: 114.72 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: 147.04 BB (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 70.00, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 10)
UTG: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.84, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.48, Hands: 1,051)
MP: 54.72 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 65)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) J

BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (42.4 BB, 2 players) Q

BB bets 27.52 BB, Hero calls 27.52 BB

River: (97.44 BB, 2 players) A

BB checks, Hero bets 100.4 BB and is all-in, BB calls 98.52 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Q

(Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 40%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
BB shows A

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 60%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 286.48 BB

我喜欢这手牌, 当波动不再潜意识里捣乱的时候,更加容易做出正确的选择. 假设这手V在河牌3rd barrel jam, 不管我call不call,谁赢. 都可以归结为波动.

在河牌对手行动前,我毛估估QJ大概会有66%的equity. so,never fold here. 如果V jams river.  双方EV接近0. 仅仅是波动而已.

当对手check的时候,他给他自己一个用AK,Ax,KK犯错误的机会. 对V XCdefend最优化的范围的情况下EV为0.

V在河牌的错误是非常非常严重的. 首先河牌的A和他手上的A, block掉我用AX随后过牌的组合,因此他不应该期望这里有免费showdown.

其二:他可以像KQ,口袋对子,甚至KK要价值.如果本来计划就是三枪诈唬,那么更不应该在击中的时候停下.

其三: 他选择了最差的防守牌,9block掉我的一些诈唬组合.  可见他对MDF一无所知.

综合来说, 除了我本身66%*286=188bb的EV. 对手额外犯了100BB的错误.  所以这手牌我就认为286BB都是我的真实EV,可以排除波动.    我可以一直剥削他直到把KT放进他的过牌范围.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 13:41
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 221.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 18)
SB: 264.16 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (BB): 115 BB
UTG: 196.4 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 80)
MP: 248.84 BB (VPIP: 24.60, PFR: 18.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 262)
CO: 102.72 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) T

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (12 BB, 4 players) 5

SB bets 3.76 BB, Hero raises to 16.28 BB, fold, CO calls 16.28 BB, fold

River: (48.32 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 30.48 BB, CO raises to 83.44 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 52.96 BB

CO shows A

(Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 66%, Flop 93%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows A

(Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 34%, Flop 7%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 207.2 BB

对手的错误, 都是稳稳的EV. 只要不在河牌出红桃的情况下犯错误. 那么就可以排除波动的影响.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 13:45
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125.8 BB (VPIP: 22.75, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 197)
Hero (SB): 151.4 BB
BB: 111.24 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 97.2 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 20)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
CO: 123.2 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.37, Hands: 858)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, UTG calls 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (43 BB, 3 players) 6

Hero bets 45 BB, UTG calls 45 BB, fold

Turn: (133 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 92.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 38.2 BB and is all-in

River: (209.4 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero shows K

(Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
UTG shows Q

(Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 201.4 BB

这手无论如何都是打光的. 我这里恒定的82%的平均EQUITY. 在尝试flop overbet的策略. 这手是简单的场景,没有什么参考性.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-16 13:47
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-16 13:49 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101.44 BB
SB: 97 BB (VPIP: 27.71, PFR: 19.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 815)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 14.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.22, Hands: 215)
UTG: 70.04 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 69.92 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 108.28 BB (VPIP: 29.14, PFR: 23.18, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 153)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 7.84 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.56 BB

Flop: (16.68 BB, 2 players) Q

SB bets 5.24 BB, Hero calls 5.24 BB

Turn: (27.16 BB, 2 players) 6

SB bets 20.72 BB, Hero calls 20.72 BB

River: (68.6 BB, 2 players) T

SB bets 21.64 BB, Hero raises to 67.64 BB and is all-in, SB calls 41.56 BB and is all-in

Hero shows T

(Full House, Tens full of Queens)
(Pre 56%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)
SB shows Q

  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 44%, Flop 93%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 187 BB

这手是单纯的波动. 区分波动和技术的就是河牌的选择, 河牌不出T的时候怎么处理,call 还是fold . 这个只有每个玩家自己心里清楚. 不出T对我来说河牌是easy fold.  所以这手就是完全的波动. 没有什么其他东西.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.36 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 159)
SB: 105.68 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 71)
BB: 78.6 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 45)
UTG: 64 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
Hero (MP): 116.16 BB
CO: 206.96 BB (VPIP: 20.02, PFR: 14.57, 3Bet Preflop: 7.74, Hands: 1,287)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  4

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 7.24 BB, Hero calls 4.96 BB

Flop: (14.88 BB, 2 players) 6

BB bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Turn: (42.88 BB, 2 players) 7

BB bets 57.36 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 57.36 BB

River: (157.6 BB, 2 players) 2

BB shows T

(Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 77%, Flop 51%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 4

(Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 23%, Flop 49%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 150.52 BB

这手也是纯波动,没有技术分析的价值.

作者: yhmn 时间: 2018-1-16 23:06
我在这里咨询个问题，现在ps上边六人桌好手，大概是什么数据？

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-17 11:31

yhmn 发表于 2018-1-16 23:06
我在这里咨询个问题，现在ps上边六人桌好手，大概是什么数据？

你这问题其实挺难回答的.

微级别越紧越不容易被剥削. 20/18,17/15. 18/18 3bet6-10 等等都可以是盈利玩家.
级别往上这么紧几乎肯定要被剥削,可能24/20这种比较接近主流(平均水平).

数据和水平好坏没有太大的联系.赢家和输家的表面数据其实都差不多.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-17 11:40
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-17 18:25 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.08 BB (VPIP: 15.70, PFR: 9.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 121)
Hero (SB): 136.12 BB
BB: 108.28 BB (VPIP: 21.00, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 9.80, Hands: 665)
UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 11.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 149)
MP: 102.04 BB (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 20.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
CO: 93.56 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, MP calls 16 BB, CO calls 16 BB

Flop: (61 BB, 3 players) 4

Hero bets 116.12 BB and is all-in, MP calls 82.04 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (225.08 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (225.08 BB, 2 players) T

Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (225.08 BB, 2 players) 2

River #2: (225.08 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero shows Q

(Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 67%, Flop 54%, Turn 77%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 67%, Flop 53%, Turn 71%)

MP shows A

  (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 33%, Flop 46%, Turn 23%)
(High Card, Ace)
Board #2 (Pre 33%, Flop 47%, Turn 29%)

Hero wins 108.56 BB
Hero wins 108.52 BB

对波动的接受和认识对于技术发挥还是有显著的促进作用. 早上这手为例,  V open 4bb,可以是AT+,99+. Co可能是99-. 在翻牌SPR1, 如果这里考虑输或者赢,也许过牌也是一个选项. 但是我block掉几乎所有KQs组合. 基本上只输AK和set.  如果对手有JJ,很大概率犯错误.  显然Jam是最好的选择,其他都交给波动.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 55.24 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 187.8 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 103.88 BB
UTG: 86.16 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 724.32 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 130.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (36.4 BB, 3 players) 3

Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (36.4 BB, 3 players) K

Hero bets 22.96 BB, MP calls 22.96 BB, fold

River: (82.32 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 68.92 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 78.6 BB

刚好下午又打了一手,可以和上面参照. V Ax的组合太多, 哪怕spr是1, 哪怕blocked掉AK,check 也是最好的选择.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-17 12:45
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-17 13:00 编辑

[attach]7549[/attach]上面有人问到数据, 我简单介绍几个数据和技术的牌例. 数据相当于读人, 但他的主体还是读牌,不可能说读人比读牌重要. 数据也是一个道理. 所以在做一个决定的时候,数据应该是最后的参考而不是最首要的.

下面是早上和秘鲁人的两手牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 104.8 BB
SB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.96, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 9.54, Hands: 652)
BB: 262.52 BB
UTG: 56.12 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 19)
MP: 107.48 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 53)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, SB raises to 101.4 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 47 BB

不知不觉有650手历史,此前没有关注过.  他的数据VPIP 21;3b 10; F3 35; 4b 12;F4 33. 我没有设置5bet 的数据,微级别应该用不到.    至少有两点直观的信息:1 打得偏紧凶  2:非常顽固,不喜欢弃牌.

我K3s如果跟注3bet感觉太松了, 所以我4bet bluff.  他5bet出来的时候,我的解读是他在3/4bet数据这么高的情况下, 似乎5bet也没有减少.那么可以认为,他5bet的范围里有很多A5s,88-99甚至66.    那么以后我对抗他的策略就是减少4bet,增加flat.  大致的抵抗频率应该是4bet 5%(always call 5bet jams),flat 45%,fold 50%.

这里体现了数据的作用,  但是要清醒地认识到. 如果hero设定了正确的抵抗范围,那么要归功于数据,也就是说,并不是hero特别聪明技术特别好.完全是数据的作用.

然后来到下面这手牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.88 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
SB: 112.16 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.08, Hands: 672)
BB: 100.72 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 78)
UTG: 111.36 BB (VPIP: 16.27, PFR: 11.93, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 1,038)
MP: 142.12 BB (VPIP: 16.09, PFR: 14.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.14, Hands: 414)
Hero (CO): 134.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.72 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 6.6 BB, Hero raises to 17.56 BB, SB raises to 34 BB, Hero calls 16.44 BB

River: (89 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero bets 90.56 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 85 BB

基于以上的阅读,这里正确的preflop策略就是跟注.  Flop 他过牌, 这时如果hero第一时间去查看V的3bet pot cbet数据那么是错误的(让数据凌驾于牌理肯定不对.) 这牌面显然不适合IP去偷池(这是技术层面的第一反应),有了这个决定之后可以再去看下他的cbet数据(图里我没截出来,他的3b cbet 100%),数据体现他可能想要xr,也等于验证了随后过牌的正确性.

转牌,他probe bet. 仍然不应该去看数据. 他可以delayed cbet qq,kk,etc. 而这些牌正是我们可以bluff走的牌. 因此我没有查看他任何转牌的数据.

然后他转牌3bet.  check check otf, bet raise ott. 只有纯鱼才会这种line打AX. 这个对手显然不是纯鱼,所以多数时候他这么打是在诈唬(把hero当鱼打). 这是完美的float场景.    我很轻松地跟注,  仍然没有去查看任何转牌数据,因为不需要.  有合理的阅读前提下不要让任何数据来干扰判断.

河牌,  如果他下注我当然会弃牌. 然后他check.  我认为这里是领先的,只输66和88(基本不太可能),我可以考虑过牌,也可以考虑下注. EV应该差不多,  但是如果随后过牌,我就给他太多info,他可以随后调整对抗我的策略. 所以我倾向于jam.    这时候我需要一点点数据的帮助,我查看了他的河牌数据(见图).  图中可以看到他在河牌一点也不激进而且相当保守.  在面对我的river bet时他的跟注是0%. 所以最后jam就水到渠成.

在这手牌中数据起到的是辅助作用, 也是使用hud的本意所在.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.72 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 152)
SB: 94.08 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 161.72 BB (VPIP: 15.99, PFR: 14.09, 3Bet Preflop: 8.81, Hands: 378)
Hero (UTG): 116.84 BB
MP: 108.64 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 87)
CO: 84.32 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, CO calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.76 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.76 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 9.28 BB, CO calls 9.28 BB

River: (33.32 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 10.52 BB, CO raises to 37 BB, Hero calls 26.48 BB

CO shows 6

(High Card, Queen)
(Pre 41%, Flop 6%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows A

  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 59%, Flop 94%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 102.48 BB

这手牌和上面不同.  在河牌我阻挡下注.  V raise.  我完全不知道领先还是落后.  许多赢我的牌,许多诈唬的牌.

查看他的河牌数据,  river call 33%, river bet 14%. 既然不喜欢call,也不喜欢bet. 喜欢弃牌?可是showdown 又高达38%.  因此很可能raise 太多.

最后跟注完全归功于数据软件.  并非技术成分.  所以这手牌EV可以示作0. 并不代表实际技术水平. 当然这偏离了用数据软件来提升技术的本意.

我曾经见过有人发在youku的视频,那个人几乎每个decision之前都要点hud,看得我无语. 过度使用hud真的不可取.

我对数据的挖掘和应用处在非常浅的层面,也没有计划深入,更加不会依赖.最终唯一可靠的还是本身的技术.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-17 13:19
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 45)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 17.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 245)
BB: 126.08 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 5.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 344)
UTG: 88.24 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (MP): 178.56 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.18, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.96 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 1.88 BB, CO calls 1.88 BB

Turn: (9.72 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, CO bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (27.72 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, CO bets 86.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 86.84 BB

CO shows A

(One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 5

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 193.4 BB

上面提到一些对抗比较激烈的牌谱主要是为了少被剥削,不是盈利的主要途径. 抓住这种大鱼才是利润核心.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-17 19:01
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-17 19:14 编辑

"微级别推或跟allin AK,QQ负EV"的说法. 这么简单的东西本来不值得去说, 不过连续3天波动都站在我这边(久违的感觉),一高兴就多bb几句.

只推AA,KK,  必然会体现在数据上, V 不搭理你就行了,  没有action,AA和烧火棍没有区别.

用什么范围去4bet推,或者call 4bet allin. 通常不是一厢情愿,你自己想用什么范围就用什么范围,肯定是对应对手的3b,4b范围.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 286.52 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 22)
SB: 97.36 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (UTG): 140.76 BB
MP: 124.36 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 112 BB (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 11.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 291)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  8

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.96 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero bets 3.76 BB, CO calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (13.48 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 8.52 BB, CO calls 8.52 BB

River: (30.52 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 19.24 BB, CO calls 19.24 BB

Hero shows 8

(Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO shows K

  (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 65.88 BB

这是一位同胞,  play so bad. 看看他的数据(见图). 3b 0% out of  290hands;F3 100%, Flat sb open 67%;sb fold to btn open 100%;sb open 40%;BB fold to btn open 50% . 他把所有PREFLOP错误全都犯了. 简直奇葩. "又紧又弱的call station?".OMG. 这么打可以想见他AA能拿到什么价值??  KK搞不好是输钱的. 用AK,QQ去推或接这个NITTY CS,可以认为是-EV的.

下面这两手是和德国人.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 205.48 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 290.36 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 797)
BB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 259)
UTG: 99.24 BB (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 9.38, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (CO): 134.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 9.72 BB

Flop: (25.4 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

Turn: (57.4 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River: (117.4 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BTN bets 147.48 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 112.12 BB

从这一手可以看出来他是怎么打QQ+ 大对子的(也不排除这里有少量诈唬),但总体是这么玩overpair的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.72 BB (VPIP: 7.84, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 106)
SB: 265.12 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 20)
BB: 202.64 BB (VPIP: 21.49, PFR: 16.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.10, Hands: 1,225)
UTG: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 26.71, PFR: 21.23, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 152)
MP: 125.08 BB (VPIP: 17.49, PFR: 13.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.87, Hands: 228)
Hero (CO): 126.32 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, SB calls 8.6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 126.32 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 117.32 BB

Flop: (262.64 BB, 2 players) 6

Turn: (262.64 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (262.64 BB, 2 players) K

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players) 5

Turn #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players) 3

River #2: (262.64 BB, 2 players) 2

SB shows 9

(Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Nines)
Board #2 (Pre 21%, Flop 11%, Turn 3%)

Hero shows Q

  (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 79%, Flop 89%, Turn 97%)

Hero wins 127.32 BB
Hero wins 127.32 BB

过了一会来到这手, 德国人在sb cold call 3bet,那就是没有QQ+. 所以在hero看来,SB就是dead money. BTN数据也很少,看上去很紧,但总体来说btn 3bet 的范围还是不强的.  有这么多死钱,AK,QQ推出去必然是+EV的.

德国人用99跟注,不是因为他鱼,很可能是因为他不鱼.  他的HUD应该显示我在后位4bet数据偏高,所以他认为这种情况下AK一定会推,还会有一些抢死钱的诈唬.    这里有数据的欺骗性,数据不可能告诉他在这种场合只推很少的AKs.  数据也不能告诉他我每次4b的sizing.

他没把我的JJ打光,我把他的99打光了. 在对方调整之前,我可以认为有少许的edge.

扑克既然是对抗性游戏, 自然没有什么以不变应万变的万全策略. 永远不推3b/4b/5bAK,QQ那就永远被剥削. 敌人不会让你在舒适区轻轻松松赚钱.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-18 17:28
今天运气很好,打到800手牌的时候我简直不相信有这么好的运气.  不想破坏完美的图形. 于是停下来不打,看看视频,  脑子里也正好有技术方面的一些疑惑,仔细想想.

已经很久没有打出过Agame.  因为多数session开头或结尾会犯一些低级错误.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 19.07, PFR: 14.41, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 242)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 131.24 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
UTG: 114.72 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 11.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 70)
MP: 114.4 BB (VPIP: 22.62, PFR: 17.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.31, Hands: 1,555)
CO: 154.48 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 175)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) A

Hero bets 6.6 BB, CO calls 6.6 BB

Turn: (34.2 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 21.56 BB, CO calls 21.56 BB

River: (77.32 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows K

(Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 9%, Turn 2%)
CO shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)
CO wins 73.84 BB

难以容忍的错误,还好出现在session刚开始.  发现后马上警醒,慢慢进入状态.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 9.46, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 150)
SB: 138 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 26.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 61)
BB: 77.12 BB (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 12.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
UTG: 156.04 BB (VPIP: 29.01, PFR: 24.69, 3Bet Preflop: 15.09, Hands: 168)
Hero (MP): 204.84 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.41, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 1,026)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (5.4 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5.4 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, BTN bets 3.32 BB, Hero raises to 15.12 BB, BTN calls 11.8 BB

River: (35.64 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 15 BB, BTN raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

BTN shows 2

(Full House, Twos full of Queens)
(Pre 51%, Flop 11%, Turn 84%)
Hero mucks K

  (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 49%, Flop 89%, Turn 16%)
BTN wins 95.16 BB

这手和上面是前后脚,当时感觉如果有Kd应该fold,后来软件算了下, 17 to win 85. 只需要16%胜率, 即便对上他的value r range也有27%的胜率. 所以是good call.  有Kd也应该call.  V犯了一个巨大的错误. 正确的sizing就是全进.  他全进后,如果我拿KQ跟注(我错误),如果我弃牌(双方都没错,仅仅是波动.)  软件计算后发现这种情况Akicker和K kicker的战斗力差别是巨大的, equity 相差将近16%.  KQ跟注总是错的, AQ跟注是对的. 当然打牌的时候我算不出来,完全是凭感觉.

这手由于V犯错,给了hero 大约14bb的额外EV.  hero赚大了.  这种捡的EV,我称为"不可持续EV",随着对手水平的提升和级别升高, 这种EV很可能就捡不到了. 是真实的EV,不是波动, 现在有,未来不一定有,不一定可持续.

  PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 559.72 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.46, PFR: 15.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.73, Hands: 382)
BB: 100.64 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 561.12 BB (VPIP: 21.59, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 9.12, Hands: 866)
MP: 126.44 BB (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 16.42, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 286)
Hero (CO): 159.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 8.8 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) 6

BB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River: (76 BB, 2 players) 3

BB checks, Hero bets 72.56 BB, BB calls 62.84 BB and is all-in

Hero shows T

(Flush, King High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 47%, Turn 91%)
BB shows Q

  (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
(Pre 67%, Flop 53%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 193.68 BB

这手,Hero的打法没什么好说的.  说说V的错误. 有句话怎么说"u willing to live,must willing to die", willing to check,must willing to fold.  如果我在V的位置,在状态正常的情况下,有3条line.  依据的原则:"要么留住V弱的那部分范围,要么尽早get in, 锁定EV."

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 200.16 BB (VPIP: 21.33, PFR: 18.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 1,186)
SB: 108.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
BB: 118.44 BB (VPIP: 29.46, PFR: 25.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 132)
UTG: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 25.14, PFR: 19.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.12, Hands: 1,131)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 82.76 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, BB calls 1.68 BB

Flop: (8.04 BB, 3 players) A

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Turn: (14.04 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero bets 8.84 BB, SB raises to 25.68 BB, Hero calls 16.84 BB

River: (65.4 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 77.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.64 BB and is all-in

SB shows 9

(One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 63%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 194.68 BB

又是一条大鱼.
我最近几天才开始解决自身"傲慢"的那部分情绪,比如在PS我总是去分析和Reg对抗的牌,总想着怼赢他们,忽视复盘VS鱼打的牌.  现在才开始意识到"打鱼"的重要性.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.96 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 57.72 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 17)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.40, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.72, Hands: 387)
UTG: 189.96 BB (VPIP: 13.93, PFR: 10.95, 3Bet Preflop: 3.61, Hands: 206)
MP: 114 BB (VPIP: 21.93, PFR: 17.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 350)
Hero (CO): 133.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB calls 1.88 BB, fold

Flop: (5.56 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 5.32 BB, Hero calls 5.32 BB

Turn: (16.2 BB, 2 players) 2

SB bets 7.76 BB, Hero calls 7.76 BB

River: (31.72 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 15.16 BB, Hero raises to 55.16 BB, SB calls 27.2 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Q

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 79%, Turn 100%)
SB shows J

(Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 21%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 111.2 BB

找别人优点的时候,看到的都是优点.找碴的时候看到的都是碴,找reg的时候都是reg. 只找鱼的时候,那鱼其实也不少.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.08 BB (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 18.28, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 97)
SB: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 25.56, PFR: 19.74, 3Bet Preflop: 13.76, Hands: 549)
MP: 44.48 BB (VPIP: 14.67, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)
CO: 135.36 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 1.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 243)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

UTG raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (5.36 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, UTG bets 3.84 BB, Hero raises to 12.28 BB, UTG calls 8.44 BB

River: (29.92 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 45 BB, UTG calls 45 BB

Hero shows T

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 17%, Turn 25%)
UTG mucks Q

  (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 67%, Flop 83%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 114.52 BB

这手牌要好好分析一下. 转牌xr 有多少利润? FE相信有60%,保守点50%吧. 0.5*2.3=1.15,河牌空白我放弃.0.5*3.07=1.53.  EV 1.15-1.53=-0.38* 3次都不中=-1.14  除了AT这种强听牌之外,我再拿7次空气诈唬.算他10次全输.  0.38*10=3.8刀. 15.2bb+抽水=16BB. 只要在中的那一次拿到价值超过17BB就能盈利.

所以我在河牌45-16=29BB妥妥的非波动EV.

当然这个EV也是"不可持续性的". NL100 V不会给你这样轻松的xr的机会. 升级后这部分EV就会缩水.

我的目标是碾压NL100.  所以除了排除波动,还要排除会缩水的EV来定位是否可以回NL100了.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-18 17:43
发两手盲注攻防(最近学习的重点)

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 150.96 BB (VPIP: 30.64, PFR: 24.42, 3Bet Preflop: 15.07, Hands: 178)
SB: 160 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BB): 155.24 BB
UTG: 252.76 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.28, Hands: 1,568)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.73, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 149)
CO: 220.92 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 59)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB calls 8 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, SB calls 11 BB

Turn: (44 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (44 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

SB shows J

(High Card, Queen)
(Pre 42%, Flop 38%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 6

  (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 58%, Flop 62%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 87.84 BB

转牌不是草花的话应该是非常不错2nd barrel overbet的牌. 草花7,check应该也没有问题.  河牌标准的跟注,应该没有问题.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 105.56 BB (VPIP: 20.67, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.72, Hands: 824)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 102.36 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 270.52 BB (VPIP: 30.68, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 88)
CO: 318.12 BB (VPIP: 27.94, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 70)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (44 BB, 2 players) 5

SB bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

Turn: (86 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (86 BB, 2 players) 2

SB bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 57 BB and is all-in, SB calls 43 BB

Hero shows Q

(Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 15%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
SB shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 85%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 192 BB

河牌根据手牌移除效应(我自己琢磨,这种情况应该是这样吧,怪Y总没有把第4篇放出来),QJ 是easy jam. AQ可能跟注是最优的.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-19 01:38
最后一手是真凶啊，JQo这种牌盲打盲我从来没3bet过，有位置的时候跟注保持一个小锅这种牌还挺好处理的。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-19 07:29

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-19 01:38
最后一手是真凶啊，JQo这种牌盲打盲我从来没3bet过，有位置的时候跟注保持一个小锅这种牌还挺好处理的。 ...

V是相对弱的reg，跟注3bet范围比较紧，我偶尔会用qjo，q8s这种去剥削式3bet。

打鱼平跟居多吧。

4b尺寸太小，除此之外V打得没有问题，翻后被我赶上了，算他运气不好。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-19 16:05
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 281.44 BB (VPIP: 20.77, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 132)
SB: 112.56 BB (VPIP: 17.99, PFR: 13.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 941)
BB: 275.8 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 5.49, Hands: 241)
Hero (UTG): 213.76 BB
MP: 34.8 BB (VPIP: 19.67, PFR: 10.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 133)
CO: 150.8 BB (VPIP: 35.14, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, CO calls 2.68 BB, BTN calls 2.68 BB, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (11.72 BB, 4 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 7.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.4 BB, SB raises to 109.88 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 211.08 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (238.88 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (238.88 BB, 2 players) K

SB shows 2

(Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 230.88 BB

A:只投入一点点,没有必要冒险
B:面对fish move,应该用顶端范围跟注.
A:可能有SET.
B:Btn 很可能有8x,6x 阻挡一些SET和2P组合.
A:跟注看到set,恶心不.
B:Fold,一直会想着这手牌,分散精力,会导致其他桌犯错误,这是隐性EV.
两个小人一直打架, 我估算对手可能用KK-TT这么打. AA的EQ应该还有50+%,  总体应该+EV. 所以读秒跟注.    总之不喜欢这种情况下弃牌,除非有Ad.
不喜欢这手牌,不过可以接受.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 112.96 BB (VPIP: 18.05, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 927)
SB: 102.28 BB (VPIP: 60.44, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 92)
BB: 212.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 196.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 26)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (CO): 103.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 5

UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 3

UTG bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (37.4 BB, 2 players) A

UTG checks, Hero bets 66 BB, UTG raises to 178.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 19.68 BB and is all-in

UTG shows 3

(Full House, Threes full of Aces)
(Pre 30%, Flop 85%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 15%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins 200.76 BB

interesting hand. 转牌V的bluff 范围还挺广的, 我会弃掉AJ,不会弃AK. 河牌V范围中有许多bluff catcher. overbet is really good. 我这手打得不错.

对手这牌打得很好,  当然如果用55/88就完美了.  A3只有一个组合,我一点都不担心这手牌, 此外,他有2个A,过牌可能损失太多价值. 我如果是AT只会跟着过牌,AQ会下注都不会overbet,也不会跟注全进,如果不是我碰巧拿着AK,他损失太多价值.    用A3来保护过牌范围有些overprotection.  导致他的河牌2nd barrel的范围太弱(当然这点瑕疵在微级别也不太会被发现).  我认为他应该overbet himself. 总体来说V打得很好,well done.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 251 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 174.92 BB (VPIP: 13.24, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 68)
BB: 420.8 BB (VPIP: 21.70, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.72, Hands: 838)
Hero (UTG): 114.8 BB
MP: 105.64 BB (VPIP: 18.09, PFR: 13.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 925)
CO: 64.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  4

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.28 BB

Flop: (4.96 BB, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 1.56 BB, BB raises to 6.64 BB, Hero raises to 24.64 BB, BB calls 18 BB

Turn: (54.24 BB, 2 players) T

BB bets 393.88 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 51.8 BB

V是紧弱reg, 应该不会拿JdAx这样打, 我能赢JdTx. Weird. tilting fold.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.64 BB (VPIP: 20.61, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 6.86, Hands: 270)
SB: 99.92 BB (VPIP: 19.83, PFR: 14.87, 3Bet Preflop: 9.58, Hands: 834)
BB: 103.96 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 444.6 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 845)
Hero (MP): 118.6 BB
CO: 58 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, CO calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero raises to 31 BB, fold, BB raises to 103.96 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 72.96 BB

Flop: (211 BB, 2 players) Q

Turn: (211 BB, 2 players) A

River: (211 BB, 2 players) 9

BB shows 5

(One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 55%, Flop 71%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows K

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 45%, Flop 29%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 203 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.64 BB (VPIP: 17.98, PFR: 13.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 936)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 173.44 BB (VPIP: 25.74, PFR: 19.47, 3Bet Preflop: 6.99, Hands: 1,556)
UTG: 132.24 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 229.44 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 71.12 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (7.8 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, CO bets 7.44 BB, Hero calls 7.44 BB

Turn: (22.68 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, CO bets 60.28 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 60.28 BB

River: (143.24 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows Q

(Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 25%, Turn 32%)
CO shows J

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 67%, Flop 75%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 136.8 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.76, PFR: 17.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.36, Hands: 1,326)
Hero (SB): 176.96 BB
BB: 53.04 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 65.84 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 144.2 BB (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 19.01, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 293)
CO: 130.24 BB (VPIP: 22.77, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.19, Hands: 795)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 0.6 BB, BB raises to 53.04 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 52.04 BB

Flop: (106.08 BB, 2 players) 2

Turn: (106.08 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (106.08 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows 8

(Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 65%, Flop 71%, Turn 86%)
BB shows 4

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 35%, Flop 29%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 101.32 BB

V either junk or MTT type.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 40.92 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 305 BB (VPIP: 24.30, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 290)
BB: 86.04 BB (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 204.16 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 21.23, 3Bet Preflop: 9.94, Hands: 424)
MP: 134.72 BB (VPIP: 22.94, PFR: 16.35, 3Bet Preflop: 4.13, Hands: 811)
Hero (CO): 158.32 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BTN raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 52 BB, BTN calls 30.52 BB and is all-in

Flop: (83.24 BB, 2 players) 9

Turn: (83.24 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (83.24 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows K

(Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 74%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
BTN shows A

  (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 26%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins 79.48 BB

总体今天波动相当给力, 和鱼翻硬币都赢了.  这个月头5天ALLIN EV偏离1300多BB, 现在只偏离500BB. 该我的总会回来的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 53.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 372.32 BB (VPIP: 17.27, PFR: 15.83, 3Bet Preflop: 8.93, Hands: 144)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 9.43, Hands: 873)
UTG: 85.92 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (MP): 233.32 BB
CO: 158.44 BB (VPIP: 60.47, PFR: 32.56, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 45)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  3

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, CO calls 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 1.28 BB

Flop: (8.24 BB, 3 players) 3

UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (8.24 BB, 3 players) 9

UTG bets 7.88 BB, Hero raises to 31.52 BB, fold, UTG calls 23.64 BB

River: (71.28 BB, 2 players) J

UTG checks, Hero checks

UTG shows K

(One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 49%, Flop 6%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows 3

(Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 51%, Flop 94%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 68.08 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.44 BB
SB: 374.36 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
BB: 47.72 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 22.50, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 41)
UTG: 96.92 BB (VPIP: 24.76, PFR: 11.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 213)
MP: 180.76 BB (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 15.45, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 127)
CO: 132.8 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.72 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) 3

SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 14.8 BB, Hero calls 14.8 BB

River: (60.6 BB, 2 players) J

SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows T

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 63%, Flop 13%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 5

  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 87%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 57.88 BB

击中率也很给力. 给力得过了头,  3张成花,非要给我发4张.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 135.12 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 71)
BB: 55.24 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 186.08 BB (VPIP: 25.66, PFR: 19.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 1,561)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.15, PFR: 12.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.72, Hands: 549)
CO: 436.04 BB (VPIP: 18.64, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 15.02, Hands: 3,169)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) T

SB bets 9.08 BB, Hero calls 9.08 BB

Turn: (37.16 BB, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets 23.4 BB, SB calls 23.4 BB

River: (83.96 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero bets 93.64 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 80.2 BB

V看起来很紧, 我决定float flop. 转牌bluff,V不会弃牌AK,AJ,AT.40combos. AAKKAQKQ36combos. 河牌不太好, 当时就比较尴尬. RIVER BLUFF基本是0EV. 只有在V能fold KQ的情况下才能盈利. 最后还是捏着鼻子诈唬了.

这个session整体打得有点浮, 平常午睡的时间用来打牌比较别扭. 打了600手就歇了.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-19 21:36
晚上按捺不住,又打了一个session. ALLIN EV这个东西经不起念叨. 单个session 2000手EV偏离640BB,打牌以来之最. 7次ALLIN,5个领先,2个落后.全挂. 还有5个打到showdown的全挂(2手打错). 100BB+的只赢了一手.

轻轻松松输10几个买入. 本月大半盈利吐出去了.

如此糟糕的情况,我竟然没有上头,同样是破天荒头一遭. 呵呵,脑子里唯一想的就是明天肯定能打得更好.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-19 22:23
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-1-19 22:26 编辑

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 195.72 BB
SB: 128.28 BB (VPIP: 29.87, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 79)
BB: 137.6 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 73)
UTG: 110.8 BB (VPIP: 18.41, PFR: 13.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.61, Hands: 450)
MP: 151.84 BB (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 44)
CO: 115.48 BB (VPIP: 16.08, PFR: 8.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.91, Hands: 289)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 2.64 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.64 BB, SB calls 2.24 BB, BB calls 1.64 BB

Flop: (10.56 BB, 4 players) T

SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 18.24 BB, fold, BB calls 18.24 BB, fold

Turn: (52.04 BB, 2 players) 4

BB bets 36 BB, Hero calls 36 BB

River: (124.04 BB, 2 players) Q

BB bets 80.72 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 80.72 BB

BB shows 9

(Full House, Nines full of Tens)
(Pre 67%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A

  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 277.48 BB

我flop raise后,当时另外一桌在处理一个ALLIN. 我没有注意到BB冷跟注. TURN上donk 出来后我仍然以为和UTG是同一个人.    so snap call river.    原本可以避免河牌的损失.

晚上没有上头, 但是精力不集中,错过了太多信息.

by the way, V 是中国人, well play.

总的来说这session打得不好,  没有打得特别好的牌,总共也没赢几个锅. 唯一的亮点是几乎所有bluff全部过关.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 90.76 BB (VPIP: 20.27, PFR: 11.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 311)
SB: 324.2 BB (VPIP: 19.72, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 144)
BB: 89.48 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 202.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 110.04 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 51)
Hero (CO): 135.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.72 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 3

SB bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 25.52 BB, SB calls 14.52 BB

Turn: (74.04 BB, 2 players) J

SB checks, Hero bets 99.32 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 70.72 BB

先发一个差的bluff. 记不清刚才具体怎么想的,总体想诈唬走AK,AQ,A5s,A3s.. 转牌是很适合诈唬的牌,88-TT的弃牌率增加. V tank fold. 可能拿着AQhh,A2hh,99之类的牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 299.76 BB (VPIP: 30.32, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.95, Hands: 222)
SB: 141.8 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BB): 152.64 BB
UTG: 101.52 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 206.68 BB (VPIP: 22.70, PFR: 16.49, 3Bet Preflop: 9.67, Hands: 900)
CO: 155.32 BB (VPIP: 18.85, PFR: 14.40, 3Bet Preflop: 8.55, Hands: 388)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (5.2 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BTN bets 1.64 BB, Hero calls 1.64 BB

Turn: (8.48 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, BTN bets 6.08 BB, Hero raises to 26.32 BB, BTN calls 20.24 BB

River: (61.12 BB, 2 players) K

Hero bets 29 BB, fold

Hero wins 58.36 BB

V不太可能有K, 他有很多draw, 弱对子. 我认为2/5 pot左右的尺寸足以让他弃掉这些牌. 这手应该是非常好的诈唬.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 140.76 BB
SB: 109.16 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
BB: 557.48 BB (VPIP: 19.78, PFR: 14.65, 3Bet Preflop: 3.88, Hands: 280)
UTG: 98 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 161.08 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 24)
CO: 486.88 BB (VPIP: 18.39, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.91, Hands: 308)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.4 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 9.8 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 8

MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 4

MP checks, Hero bets 22 BB, MP calls 22 BB

River: (65 BB, 2 players) T

MP checks, Hero bets 108.96 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 62.08 BB

一枪很难让V相信我范围中有7. 河牌JAM本来就在计划之中,河牌也很给力. 很简单的一手牌.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.44 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 988)
Hero (SB): 123.36 BB
BB: 104.08 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 144.36 BB (VPIP: 22.79, PFR: 16.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.46, Hands: 846)
MP: 125.04 BB (VPIP: 21.58, PFR: 15.18, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 1,362)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.56, PFR: 17.68, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 169)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 21 BB, MP calls 21 BB

Turn: (63 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 92.36 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 60.16 BB

这种诈唬方式可能会得到两极化的评价, 喜欢的人觉得很好, 不喜欢的人觉得乱搞. 在动态牌面我不介意经常做这样的操作.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
SB: 357.72 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 118 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 23.72, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 158)
Hero (UTG): 135.12 BB
MP: 270.16 BB (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 19.08, 3Bet Preflop: 13.73, Hands: 132)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, MP calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.76 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.76 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 6 BB, MP raises to 19.8 BB, Hero calls 13.8 BB

River: (52.36 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 25 BB, fold

Hero wins 50 BB

我认为我是在诈唬, 说不定是在value bet.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 202.84 BB (VPIP: 22.32, PFR: 16.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.52, Hands: 337)
Hero (SB): 106.52 BB
BB: 259.8 BB (VPIP: 18.97, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 61)
UTG: 259.08 BB (VPIP: 32.91, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 18.52, Hands: 82)
MP: 95.68 BB (VPIP: 23.74, PFR: 14.39, 3Bet Preflop: 1.89, Hands: 142)
CO: 91 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 26)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.28 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN raises to 24 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Flop: (49 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 30.88 BB, fold

Hero wins 46.8 BB

AT赢不了摊牌, 又有足够EQ, Donk是完全可行的选项.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100.16 BB
SB: 295.2 BB (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 14.40, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 129)
BB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 135)
UTG: 137.24 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 254.6 BB (VPIP: 22.95, PFR: 19.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 124)
CO: 127.24 BB (VPIP: 17.28, PFR: 8.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 82)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) J

MP bets 5.4 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (18.2 BB, 2 players) 8

MP bets 12 BB, Hero raises to 39.32 BB, fold

Hero wins 40.32 BB
这手我相信诈唬一枪就足够了. 所以尺寸尽可能大. 让V的AT之类的处在容易犯错的边缘.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2018-1-20 18:26
ZOOM因为时间比常规桌紧，为了在最关键时刻如对手反加，对手全压不做出错误的秒call行为，应该在很容易做出的决定时也慢下来，我zoom的反思除了这个还有就是每天的手数时间不宜过长，目前我自己以3个40分钟左右为宜这样工作时间和玩牌时间正好是2：1比例；30个买入是必须的，每天止损也很重要，罗马也不是一天建成滴~

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-20 19:20

一条街价值诈频发表于 2018-1-20 18:26
ZOOM因为时间比常规桌紧，为了在最关键时刻如对手反加，对手全压不做出错误的秒call行为，应该在很容易做出 ...

关于反应时间这点你说的很对。多开zoom很容易做太多快速点击。

有时一个决定耗光timebank之后后面很多牌思考时间不够，就会打得很仓促。  刚刚才知道timebank用光之后就关掉这桌重新开，timebank就又有了。

我用手提打，4桌平铺不下，有时一桌出难题，没看到另外一桌AA，KK，时间到自动弃。

有时还很容易误击。

确实应该养成至少5秒种点击的习惯。  不管多easy的决定都该留点时间想想。

bankroll我已经调到100买入升级，至少80。 30买入对我根本不够用。我每天波动没有少于600bb。1000bb也是经常

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-20 20:00
昨天今天加起来7000手. 数据上找毛病的话, 大盲的VPIP过高,26%. 平常应该在23%, 没有刻意放松范围,可能刚好在盲位拿到防守范围内的牌比平常多. 所以实际上也算不上毛病.       昨天红线平稳,蓝线崩了. 今天反过来.  都是一样的打法,击中率今天还差点.

今天不想复盘,  养成一个习惯要经年累月, 放弃一个习惯只需要一个念头, 所以还是马马虎虎复一下.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 193.36 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BB: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 48.78, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 83)
Hero (UTG): 161.44 BB
MP: 197.36 BB (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 15.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 190)
CO: 141.44 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  T

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 9.44 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.76 BB

Flop: (20.28 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, BTN bets 19.36 BB, Hero calls 19.36 BB

Turn: (59 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, BTN bets 56.36 BB, Hero raises to 132.64 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 76.28 BB

River: (324.28 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero shows T

(Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 88%, Turn 2%)
BTN shows J

(Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 82%, Flop 12%, Turn 98%)
BTN wins 316.28 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 459.04 BB (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 19)
SB: 87.04 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 44)
BB: 558.72 BB (VPIP: 22.47, PFR: 18.43, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 454)
Hero (UTG): 299.68 BB
MP: 106.64 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 19.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 1,587)
CO: 125.84 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 141)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7

Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 9.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.92 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 14.8 BB, Hero raises to 46.56 BB, SB raises to 77.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 31.28 BB

River: (175.08 BB, 2 players) 3

SB shows A

(Full House, Aces full of Threes)
(Pre 80%, Flop 98%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows 7

(Full House, Sevens full of Threes)
(Pre 20%, Flop 2%, Turn 2%)
SB wins 167.2 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 72.4 BB
SB: 110.56 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 43)
BB: 356.04 BB (VPIP: 21.89, PFR: 15.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 176)
UTG: 168.16 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP): 160.24 BB
CO: 111.12 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 54)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) J

UTG checks, Hero bets 4.68 BB, UTG calls 4.68 BB

Turn: (16.76 BB, 2 players) J

UTG checks, Hero bets 8 BB, UTG calls 8 BB

River: (32.76 BB, 2 players) Q

UTG checks, Hero bets 144.56 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 144.56 BB

Hero shows Q

(Full House, Queens full of Jacks)
(Pre 57%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
UTG shows A

(Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 313.88 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 128.84 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 21)
SB: 135.48 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 18.51, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 287)
BB: 323.12 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 127.76 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 50)
Hero (MP): 208.32 BB
CO: 329.76 BB (VPIP: 22.52, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 114)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, BTN raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 27 BB, BTN calls 19 BB

Flop: (55.4 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 21 BB, BTN calls 21 BB

Turn: (97.4 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 29 BB, BTN raises to 80.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 51.84 BB

River: (259.08 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero shows Q

(Full House, Queens full of Eights)
(Pre 18%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
BTN shows K

  (Two Pair, Kings and Eights)
(Pre 82%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 251.08 BB

今天的开局是这样的,连续击中set, 并且都有action, 我想今天是个好日子,  要大开杀戒把昨天的损失挽回来.谁知后面SET就没有了. 靠一些flush勉强维持.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 313.76 BB
SB: 356.84 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 20.17, 3Bet Preflop: 15.22, Hands: 122)
BB: 112.96 BB (VPIP: 33.60, PFR: 26.40, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 130)
UTG: 127.68 BB (VPIP: 21.39, PFR: 14.79, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 1,483)
MP: 270.88 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 22)
CO: 115.48 BB (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 7.84 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.56 BB

Flop: (16.68 BB, 2 players) Q

SB bets 12.4 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

Turn: (41.48 BB, 2 players) 4

SB bets 30.88 BB, Hero calls 30.88 BB

River: (103.24 BB, 2 players) J

SB bets 76.92 BB, Hero calls 76.92 BB

SB shows 9

(Full House, Nines full of Fours)
(Pre 19%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks K

  (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 81%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 249.08 BB

今天KK无敌,除了这手. 我想埋伏一下这个3bet monkey.  没想到被set value 3条街.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.28 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (SB): 161.32 BB
BB: 138.52 BB (VPIP: 57.89, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 20)
UTG: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 22.84, PFR: 20.26, 3Bet Preflop: 9.20, Hands: 240)
MP: 201.24 BB (VPIP: 24.90, PFR: 17.23, 3Bet Preflop: 8.21, Hands: 523)
CO: 105.56 BB (VPIP: 23.00, PFR: 16.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 308)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 6 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, BB calls 17 BB

Flop: (46 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 47 BB, BB raises to 115.52 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 133.68 BB
这手应该是打错了, 最近在尝试flop overbet的混合打法, 这手踩过界了. 78T带听花的牌面可能更适合这种bluff.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 300.2 BB
SB: 108.96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 372.36 BB (VPIP: 31.91, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 47)
UTG: 236.52 BB (VPIP: 26.33, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.42, Hands: 305)
MP: 230.4 BB (VPIP: 19.07, PFR: 13.92, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 1,623)
CO: 76.16 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (10.2 BB, 2 players) 2

UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (10.2 BB, 2 players) 4

UTG bets 9.76 BB, Hero calls 9.76 BB

River: (29.72 BB, 2 players) J

UTG bets 14.2 BB, Hero raises to 51.68 BB, UTG calls 37.48 BB

Hero shows 6

(Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
(Pre 45%, Flop 19%, Turn 8%)
UTG shows 6

(Two Pair, Sixes and Fives)
(Pre 56%, Flop 81%, Turn 92%)
UTG wins 127.08 BB

Sick hand. 应该只是跟注吗? 不能吧.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 280.52 BB
SB: 197.28 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 34)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 56.64 BB
MP: 42.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 129.08 BB (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 17.35, 3Bet Preflop: 11.02, Hands: 309)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, SB calls 9 BB

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 8

SB checks, Hero bets 8.52 BB, SB raises to 18.04 BB, Hero calls 9.52 BB

Turn: (63.08 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (63.08 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows K

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 73%, Flop 82%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks T

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 27%, Flop 18%, Turn 7%)
SB wins 60.24 BB

dirty AK. 这牌面应该没法诈唬.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 49 BB (VPIP: 21.35, PFR: 12.43, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 389)
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 20.55, PFR: 15.07, 3Bet Preflop: 4.69, Hands: 147)
UTG: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 253.44 BB (VPIP: 18.10, PFR: 14.88, 3Bet Preflop: 14.61, Hands: 3,653)
Hero (CO): 306.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BTN calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.76 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 4.24 BB, BTN calls 4.24 BB

Turn: (15.24 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 18 BB, BTN raises to 50.36 BB, Hero calls 32.36 BB

River: (115.96 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, BTN bets 47.12 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 110.76 BB

转牌我有太多选项, 被加注之后,似乎没有其他选择了. 赔率勉强能持平. 对手SET居多吧.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 165.08 BB
SB: 267.08 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 24.24, Hands: 105)
BB: 233.2 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 73.52 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 97.2 BB
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 15.27, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 133)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.72 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets 13.24 BB, SB calls 13.24 BB

River: (47.48 BB, 2 players) 8

SB checks, Hero bets 29.92 BB, SB raises to 243.84 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 102.48 BB
整个session最生气的一手牌, 河牌我明确知道这里不应该诈唬, 几乎打不走任何牌. ""想赢下这锅"" 这种想法是毒瘤, 造成无数损失.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 346.08 BB
SB: 136 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 47)
BB: 287.96 BB (VPIP: 18.11, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 14.66, Hands: 3,505)
UTG: 121.12 BB (VPIP: 24.58, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 183)
MP: 39.44 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 21.25, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 84)
CO: 132.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 10.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, SB calls 15 BB

Flop: (51 BB, 2 players) 8

SB checks, Hero bets 16.08 BB, SB calls 16.08 BB

Turn: (83.16 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (83.16 BB, 2 players) T

SB bets 94.92 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 79.4 BB
转牌应该开枪(仍然很可能输掉这手)但是开枪是正确的, 转牌没有保护好AA. 河牌只能眼睁睁被诈唬走.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.04 BB (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 18.16, 3Bet Preflop: 7.03, Hands: 1,475)
SB: 144.88 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 119.12 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 43)
UTG: 134.04 BB (VPIP: 20.95, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 154)
Hero (MP): 200.32 BB
CO: 97.12 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 152)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, BTN raises to 8.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.72 BB

Flop: (18.2 BB, 2 players) K

Hero checks, BTN bets 5.4 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, BTN bets 19.64 BB, Hero calls 19.64 BB

River: (68.28 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, BTN bets 80.6 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 65.2 BB
今天面对太多次这样的情况. 最后都只能弃牌. 红线完全崩了,也没办法.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 83.2 BB (VPIP: 19.34, PFR: 10.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 192)
SB: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.56, PFR: 12.30, 3Bet Preflop: 2.25, Hands: 656)
UTG: 106.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP: 215.68 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (CO): 350.92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, SB raises to 7.84 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.56 BB

Flop: (16.68 BB, 2 players) 8

SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (32.68 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (32.68 BB, 2 players) 9

SB bets 38 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

SB shows 2

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 55%, Flop 18%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 5

  (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 45%, Flop 82%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 103.8 BB

今天的鱼以凶为主, 点背被诈唬很多次. 只抓了几手有把握的.    这手对手还是很可能有JJ,AJ. 但我没有比这手更适合的bluff catcher.  tank call.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.96 BB (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 25)
SB: 146.76 BB (VPIP: 29.11, PFR: 25.32, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 81)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.38, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 565)
UTG: 102.88 BB (VPIP: 34.34, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 13.79, Hands: 210)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.72, PFR: 8.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 81)
Hero (CO): 106.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  8

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, BTN raises to 7.28 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.96 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BTN bets 5.52 BB, Hero calls 5.52 BB

Turn: (27 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (27 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 8.52 BB, BTN raises to 34.24 BB, Hero calls 25.72 BB

BTN shows A

(One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 59%, Flop 26%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows 8

  (Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 41%, Flop 74%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins 91.2 BB

河牌不知道V在rep什么东西.  easy call.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 91.08 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): 118.08 BB
BB: 136.44 BB (VPIP: 32.31, PFR: 20.77, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 134)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 264.36 BB (VPIP: 20.22, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 191)
CO: 102.68 BB (VPIP: 21.19, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 122)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, BB bets 6.04 BB, Hero calls 6.04 BB

Turn: (30.08 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BB bets 22.4 BB, Hero raises to 46.68 BB, fold

Hero wins 71.52 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 303.24 BB
SB: 165.08 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 22)
BB: 207.64 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 10.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 53)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.84, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.35, Hands: 291)
MP: 104.24 BB (VPIP: 28.05, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 84)
CO: 115.56 BB (VPIP: 19.32, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 91)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (6.36 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6.36 BB, 2 players) 9

SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (18.36 BB, 2 players) 4

SB bets 18 BB, Hero raises to 53.32 BB, fold

Hero wins 51.92 BB

今天没怎么诈唬, 没有什么合适的时机. 这两手都算比较合理的诈唬.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-24 11:05
19日单个session down 16个买入的坑,用了5天将近19个小时刚刚填平.  19000手持平,  抽水是多少?  416.27刀=8.8bb/100 以前supernova可以返2.5bb左右.  现在呢没有统计,大概0.5BB左右吧. 可见要打赢微级别也不那么容易呢.

如果PS再提高抽水,500Z这种分分钟消失.  下午有时候500Z只有3-4个人打, 晚上好一点有50人左右.

考虑到抽水,微级别就别打太松了.

作者: 柏林 时间: 2018-1-24 13:03

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-24 11:05
19日单个session down 16个买入的坑,用了5天将近19个小时刚刚填平. 19000手持平, 抽水是多少? 416.27刀= ...

你覺得你現在最大的leaks是哪些?

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-24 14:13
本帖最后由 BBlifego 于 2018-1-24 14:14 编辑

duo傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-24 11:05
19日单个session down 16个买入的坑,用了5天将近19个小时刚刚填平. 19000手持平, 抽水是多少? 416.27刀= ...

差不多，最近10万手牌抽掉了1700刀

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-24 15:18

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-24 14:13
差不多，最近10万手牌抽掉了1700刀

我这个月77000,抽了1500刀,比你略高. 正好反应在VPIP上,我24. 可能比你略高一点.

作者: BBlifego 时间: 2018-1-24 15:51

傻傻的鱼发表于 2018-1-24 15:18
我这个月77000,抽了1500刀,比你略高. 正好反应在VPIP上,我24. 可能比你略高一点.
...

对，我才20，最近感觉没反水了，那个破箱子敲出来的分特别少

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-24 16:00

柏林发表于 2018-1-24 13:03
你覺得你現在最大的leaks是哪些?

自我感觉还有一堆leaks.  可要我说一下,我居然一下子分不清轻重缓急.
情绪方面:这是目前我最大的问题,  去年有人建议我看"情绪游戏", 没当回事.  上个月底看了,相见恨晚.  和自己玩了将近一个月情绪游戏,效果还是不错的.  但总体上来说我在这方面仍然比较弱.

认知方面: 到这个月我才比较清晰地认知到Zoom Game和6max在容错度上的不同.  有些在6max上不明显的错误,在zoom上会放大.  比如我前几天提到的"错误的诈唬范围",在ZOOM上会接连不断烧钱,  就同一级别而言,在6max则没有那么大问题.  所以Zoom 是真正考验"不犯错" 能力的游戏. ZOOM对技术的要求"不犯错",首先要提高是这个技术. 其他value,bluff, bluff catch等等都应该放在次要位置.  在解决"不犯错"的前提下再去考虑其他几项. 在认知这方面,我相信我已经非常接近zoom的本质.

包括对波动的理解,也上了一个台阶,这在过去也是一个非常重大的leak.

学习方法: 把上面几个非技术的漏洞放在技术漏洞之前,原因是这几个方面会直接影响学习和发现漏洞的方法, 没有正确的认知,通常可能也就做不到正确的学习方法.

复盘: 可能95%以上的牌手都倒在这一关了.  因为无法清晰发现错误,很多人无法坚持复盘, 我过去也很少复盘, 现在基本每天都做. 对zoom来说每天复盘尤其重要,要清晰确定有没有重复在犯错误,"on daily basis"可能是最好的.          如果教练或者谁告诉你"每周,或每半月复一次就够了",要么他强到不会犯错,没有漏洞, 要么在吃老本不思进取, 要么就是在害你.

技术方面
如果两三个月没有尝试点新打法,我就会感到恐慌,是不是落伍了. 有时候这是好事,有时候是坏事, 因为每次加点新东西都要输好多钱. 不知道这个算不算漏洞.

其他比较明确的漏洞:
1:容易犯基础性的错误,低级错误. 这个月已经尽力加强了,  冰冻三尺,估计还要几个月时间解决.  无论如何还是能解决的.
2:盲位打法.  还不能稳定在控制在理想的盈率水平. 目前还很无解.
3: 用PT4 leak analysis. 都很标准, 除了 flop,turn弃牌略低,  当然我不信这个平均数据, 所以没当回事.

仅仅这些漏洞,接下来大半年都有事可做.  因此今年在水平提升和盈利方面应该不会像去年这种问题.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-24 17:11

BBlifego 发表于 2018-1-24 15:51
对，我才20，最近感觉没反水了，那个破箱子敲出来的分特别少

是啊，每次开破箱子块八毛的，感觉被当猴耍。大半年我只开出来一次100刀。

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-24 20:36
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 110.92 BB
SB: 116.88 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 20.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.87, Hands: 264)
BB: 278.64 BB (VPIP: 30.58, PFR: 23.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 123)
UTG: 115.84 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 9.00, Hands: 305)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.08, PFR: 15.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.32, Hands: 269)
CO: 244.12 BB (VPIP: 13.93, PFR: 9.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.79, Hands: 537)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB raises to 8.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.52 BB

Flop: (18.6 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero bets 11.72 BB, SB calls 11.72 BB

Turn: (42.04 BB, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets 28 BB, SB raises to 96.36 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62.4 BB and is all-in

River: (222.84 BB, 2 players) 5

Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (222.84 BB, 2 players) T

SB shows T

(Flush, Ace High)
Board #1 (Pre 58%, Flop 46%, Turn 70%)
(One Pair, Tens)
Board #2 (Pre 57%, Flop 45%, Turn 70%)

Hero shows J

  (High Card, King)
Board #1 (Pre 42%, Flop 54%, Turn 30%)
(High Card, King)
Board #2 (Pre 43%, Flop 55%, Turn 30%)

SB wins 107.44 BB
SB wins 107.4 BB

V是一个reg,翻牌我做了一个非常糟糕的尺寸,  要么过牌要么overbet. Jam most turns. 由于翻牌的尺寸,转牌我觉得没有必要overbet就可以使对数多数牌弃牌.    对手过牌加注略有意外, 有足够的equity去跟注.    总之这手打得不好, 不是典型的错误, 确实打得不好.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 111.64 BB
SB: 104.04 BB (VPIP: 27.16, PFR: 21.79, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 348)
BB: 103.88 BB (VPIP: 15.93, PFR: 14.16, 3Bet Preflop: 8.02, Hands: 463)
UTG: 133.72 BB (VPIP: 21.69, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 748)
MP: 109.84 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 60)
CO: 89.68 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6

fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.48 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.36 BB, 2 players) Q

MP bets 3.76 BB, Hero calls 3.76 BB

Turn: (13.88 BB, 2 players) 8

MP bets 8.64 BB, Hero raises to 28.8 BB, MP calls 20.16 BB

River: (71.48 BB, 2 players) 9

MP bets 74.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.8 BB

MP shows K

(Flush, King High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 54%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows 6

  (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 46%, Turn 68%)
MP wins 213.08 BB

翻,转,处理完美.  河牌?  V范围中Flush还是不少的.    最终还是读秒跟注, 并没有什么后悔的,并不是很差的跟注.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141.96 BB (VPIP: 28.35, PFR: 18.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 335)
SB: 84.28 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.84, PFR: 10.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 267)
UTG: 128.44 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 40)
MP: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 37)
Hero (CO): 151.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 2.48 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (7.84 BB, 3 players) 7

BB checks, MP bets 5.24 BB, Hero calls 5.24 BB, BB calls 5.24 BB

Turn: (23.56 BB, 3 players) 3

BB checks, MP bets 24.76 BB, Hero calls 24.76 BB, fold

River: (73.08 BB, 2 players) T

MP bets 76.8 BB, Hero raises to 119.2 BB and is all-in, MP calls 1.32 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 5%, Turn 18%)
MP shows 7

  (Full House, Sevens full of Tens)
(Pre 67%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
MP wins 221.32 BB

转牌对手几乎很少是在诈唬,很可能有一手强牌.  我很隐蔽的后门花,赔率也合适. 河牌很不幸.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129.32 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 82)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.77, PFR: 16.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 676)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 104.24 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 19)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 114.88 BB (VPIP: 14.41, PFR: 11.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.29, Hands: 460)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  8

fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (39 BB, 2 players) 6

SB bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (87 BB, 2 players) Q

SB bets 55.4 BB, Hero raises to 57 BB and is all-in, SB calls 1.6 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 8

(Straight, Nine High)

SB shows 3

(Flush, Queen High)

SB wins 193 BB

这样的对手如果多一点就好了.

这几天打得其实还没有那个输16买入的session打得好. 犯了大概120刀左右的错误. 碰巧赶上这几天的对手打得特别差.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 187.52 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)
Hero (SB): 222.04 BB
BB: 412.36 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 108.52 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 100.88 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 66.72 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, BB calls 13 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (34 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, BB bets 16.24 BB, Hero raises to 59.12 BB, BB calls 42.88 BB

Turn: (152.24 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 48 BB, BB calls 48 BB

River: (248.24 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 100.92 BB and is all-in, BB calls 100.92 BB

Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
BB shows Q

(Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 442.08 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 210.72 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 21.10, 3Bet Preflop: 19.57, Hands: 110)
BB: 171.68 BB (VPIP: 27.23, PFR: 21.41, 3Bet Preflop: 11.00, Hands: 503)
UTG: 183.72 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 149.56 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 16)
CO: 139.56 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 477)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG raises to 21 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Flop: (43.4 BB, 2 players) 4

UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

Turn: (89.4 BB, 2 players) 7

UTG bets 139.72 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 139.72 BB

River: (368.84 BB, 2 players) 2

UTG shows K

(One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 66%, Flop 67%, Turn 3%)
Hero shows A

(Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 33%, Turn 97%)
Hero wins 360.84 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 255.52 BB (VPIP: 32.31, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 66)
SB: 369.28 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (UTG): 137.96 BB
MP: 52.04 BB (VPIP: 51.61, PFR: 25.81, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 31)
CO: 103.04 BB (VPIP: 22.77, PFR: 18.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.33, Hands: 2,078)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, BB calls 1.68 BB

Flop: (8.04 BB, 3 players) 5

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (8.04 BB, 3 players) A

SB checks, BB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, SB calls 8 BB, fold

River: (25.04 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets 127.28 BB and is all-in, SB calls 127.28 BB

Hero shows K

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 77%, Turn 80%)
SB shows 2

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 23%, Turn 20%)
Hero wins 271.6 BB

这些都是easy money.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119.84 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 20.10, 3Bet Preflop: 9.31, Hands: 590)
SB: 119.84 BB (VPIP: 20.12, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.06, Hands: 169)
Hero (BB): 131.36 BB
UTG: 193.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 531.04 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.66, PFR: 4.96, 3Bet Preflop: 8.93, Hands: 126)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) K

Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20.96 BB, UTG calls 16.96 BB

Turn: (51.32 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 55 BB, UTG calls 55 BB

River: (161.32 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 52.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 52.4 BB

Hero shows 6

(Flush, King High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
UTG shows A

  (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 258.12 BB

如果我是V,很可能flop会全进.  转牌看不出有任何跟注的理由.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 123.44 BB
SB: 35.16 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 94.28 BB (VPIP: 18.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 166)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.04, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 544)
MP: 604.72 BB (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 19.75, 3Bet Preflop: 7.07, Hands: 1,773)
CO: 140.24 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 27.45, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 106)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6.6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 8

MP checks, Hero bets 6.12 BB, MP raises to 21 BB, Hero calls 14.88 BB

Turn: (61.4 BB, 2 players) 2

MP bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

River: (111.4 BB, 2 players) A

MP bets 549.72 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.44 BB and is all-in

MP shows 7

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 41%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows A

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 240.28 BB

这手牌, 只能呵呵了.  对这种flop oop 的xr.我通常给以0 credit. 可能也算是一个leak吧.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 18.59, 3Bet Preflop: 11.56, Hands: 478)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.54, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 7.24, Hands: 399)
Hero (BB): 127.04 BB
UTG: 135.72 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 3)
MP: 253.4 BB (VPIP: 43.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 105)
CO: 122.84 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 22.35, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 90)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  9

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, CO bets 2.68 BB, Hero raises to 13.16 BB, CO calls 10.48 BB

Turn: (31.68 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 45 BB, CO calls 45 BB

River: (121.68 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 66.4 BB and is all-in, CO calls 62.2 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 9:spade: Q:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 20%, Flop 71%, Turn 82%)
CO shows A

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 29%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 238.08 BB

AA够悲催的.  换我是V这手应该也是逃不掉的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.44 BB
SB: 204.24 BB (VPIP: 45.95, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 112)
BB: 109.92 BB (VPIP: 16.82, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.47, Hands: 1,103)
UTG: 121.44 BB (VPIP: 22.11, PFR: 15.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.76, Hands: 307)
MP: 102.84 BB (VPIP: 29.59, PFR: 19.39, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 101)
CO: 95.6 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  K:spade: A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, SB raises to 9.04 BB, fold, Hero raises to 28.12 BB, SB calls 19.08 BB

Flop: (57.24 BB, 2 players) Q

J:spade: T

SB bets 176.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 84.32 BB and is all-in

Turn: (225.88 BB, 2 players) K

River: (225.88 BB, 2 players) 9

SB shows 9

(Straight, King High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 37%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows K:spade: A

(Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 60%, Flop 63%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 217.88 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 19.72, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 148)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 117.24 BB (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 53)
UTG: 122.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 125.32 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 346)
Hero (CO): 159.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, SB calls 8.6 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) K

A:spade: 9

SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (41 BB, 2 players) T

SB bets 39 BB, Hero calls 39 BB

River: (119 BB, 2 players) A

SB bets 42 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 42 BB

SB shows T

(Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 21%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows A

(Four of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 79%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 195 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 71.4 BB (VPIP: 41.86, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 43)
SB: 533.84 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 249 BB (VPIP: 22.76, PFR: 19.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 252)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 23.40, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 50)
Hero (MP): 210.88 BB
CO: 130.48 BB (VPIP: 34.67, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 2.36 BB, Hero raises to 8.48 BB, CO raises to 24 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 15.52 BB

Flop: (51.76 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, CO bets 39 BB, Hero raises to 186.88 BB and is all-in, CO calls 67.48 BB and is all-in

Turn: (264.72 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:

River: (264.72 BB, 2 players) T

Hero shows A

(Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 75%, Flop 91%, Turn 92%)
CO shows J

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 25%, Flop 9%, Turn 8%)
Hero wins 256.72 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 169.96 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 80.44 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BB: 173.64 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: 153.04 BB (VPIP: 22.87, PFR: 18.73, 3Bet Preflop: 7.10, Hands: 417)
MP: 302 BB (VPIP: 23.38, PFR: 16.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.12, Hands: 1,166)
Hero (CO): 100.32 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A:spade: J:spade:

fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, Hero raises to 8.84 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13.16 BB

Flop: (45.4 BB, 2 players)  J

6:spade: T:spade:
MP bets 14.32 BB, Hero raises to 78.32 BB and is all-in, MP calls 64 BB

Turn: (202.04 BB, 2 players) 8

River: (202.04 BB, 2 players) 4

MP shows T

  (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 30%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows  A:spade: J:spade:  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 70%, Flop 93%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 194.04 BB

前赴后继的作死小能手.

好了,以上就是本月最后几个session的材料.  明天去泰国遛娃.

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-28 10:09
闲里偷忙,打了20分钟.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 161.8 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 58)
SB: 150.68 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 107.8 BB (VPIP: 25.98, PFR: 18.63, 3Bet Preflop: 4.27, Hands: 417)
Hero (UTG): 218.8 BB
MP: 50 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.68 BB, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (9.04 BB, 3 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, fold, Hero raises to 32.64 BB, BTN calls 24.64 BB

Turn: (74.32 BB, 2 players) K

Hero bets 72 BB, BTN raises to 126.48 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 54.48 BB

River: (327.28 BB, 2 players) A

Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 56%, Flop 39%, Turn 20%)
BTN shows 9

  (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 61%, Turn 80%)
BTN wins 319.28 BB

翻牌我觉得XR和cbet都没有问题,V 还有很多67.77.7X,99甚至44.    转牌应该是非常好继续诈唬的牌.  除了SET和ST8 基本可以打走所有其他牌.       虽然这手输得比较多,后来仔细想想,  相比转牌bet smaller 然后fold,或者xc,overbet可能更好.  最后当然也是简单的跟注.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 254.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 106)
Hero (BB): 114.6 BB
UTG: 280.52 BB (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 15.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 100)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 10.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 105)
CO: 96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.16 BB, SB raises to 7.48 BB, Hero calls 6.48 BB, fold

Flop: (17.12 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero bets 5.4 BB, SB calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (27.92 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 31 BB, SB calls 31 BB

River: (89.92 BB, 2 players) 8

SB checks, Hero bets 70.72 BB and is all-in, SB calls 56.12 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 6

(Three of a Kind, Sixes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
SB shows T

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 48%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 194.16 BB

这手和上面一手其实是一样的.  这次是for value. 所以上面这手打法总体还是可以接受的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 18.93, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 883)
SB: 94 BB (VPIP: 14.56, PFR: 9.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 527)
BB: 9.32 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 44.52 BB (VPIP: 37.54, PFR: 24.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 293)
CO: 119.84 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.68 BB, fold, BB calls 1.68 BB

Flop: (8.44 BB, 3 players) 9

BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BTN raises to 9.32 BB, BB calls 6.64 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 5.32 BB

Turn: (33.72 BB, 3 players) 7

Hero checks, BTN bets 17.72 BB, Hero calls 17.72 BB

River: (69.16 BB, 3 players) K

Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 6

(Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 18%, Flop 11%, Turn 75%)
BTN mucks 9

(Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 69%, Flop 78%, Turn 23%)
BB mucks 7

  (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 13%, Flop 11%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins 66.04 BB

这手打完想了好久.  河牌是不是应该leadout. 对手范围还有很多坚果,有一些听花诈唬.  66可能更接近bluff catcher.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 127.48 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 8.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 276)
SB: 115.44 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 156.48 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (UTG): 213.96 BB
MP: 268.96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 121.76 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  5

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, CO calls 2.68 BB, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (9.04 BB, 3 players) T

SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (17.04 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, CO bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (41.04 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, CO bets 29 BB, Hero calls 29 BB

CO shows 9

(High Card, King)
(Pre 58%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 5

(Two Pair, Sixes and Fives)
(Pre 42%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins 94.6 BB

转牌他下注的价值范围比较窄,JT,J7,89,SET,AJ. 总体combo不是很多. V有8x,9x,还有KQ这类纯float的诈唬. 河牌我能赢AJ. 最后tank call.

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2018-1-28 14:15
没有量化导致错误太多送钱 ~建议下个pokersnowie 练练我唯一使用的扑克软件~

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2018-1-28 14:17
先为不可胜而待敌之可胜~

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-1-28 15:41

一条街价值诈频发表于 2018-1-28 14:15
没有量化导致错误太多送钱 ~建议下个pokersnowie 练练我唯一使用的扑克软件~ ...

Snowie挺好的，到100z以上我会买一个。 “量化”是什么意思？

作者: 一条街价值诈频 时间: 2018-1-28 21:24
百度量化定义：

所谓量化，就是把经过抽样得到的瞬时值将其幅度离散，即用一组规定的电平，把瞬时抽样值用最接近的电平值来表示。经过抽样的图像，只是在空间上被离散成为像素(样本)的阵列。而每个样本灰度值还是一个由无穷多个取值的连续变化量，必须将其转化为有限个离散值，赋予不同码字才能真正成为数字图像。这种转化称为量化。
日常生活中所说的“量化”：指的是目标或任务具体明确，可以清晰度量。根据不同情况，表现为数量多少，具体的统计数字，范围衡量，时间长度等等。例如，四万亿支出，960万平方公里，八个小时，完成任务……
我这里指的偏向最后一段内容···

作者: 傻傻的鱼 时间: 2018-2-2 12:33
本帖最后由傻傻的鱼于 2018-2-2 12:35 编辑

好多天没机会打,刚回来先上个cooler.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.40, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 78)
SB: 125.28 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): 104.12 BB
UTG: 80.44 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
MP: 101.28 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 186.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, SB calls 1.8 BB, Hero raises to 8.8 BB, fold, SB calls 6.6 BB

Flop: (19.8 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 6.24 BB, SB calls 6.24 BB

Turn: (32.28 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets 20.36 BB, SB calls 20.36 BB

River: (73 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 68.72 BB and is all-in, SB calls 68.72 BB

Hero shows 9

(Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 30%, Flop 29%, Turn 3%)
SB shows J

(Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 70%, Flop 71%, Turn 97%)
SB wins 202.44 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 74.6 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 111.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 136.56 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 44.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP): 281.4 BB
CO: 201.4 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7

fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.68 BB, SB raises to 11.72 BB, BB calls 10.72 BB, Hero calls 9.04 BB, BTN calls 9.04 BB

Flop: (46.88 BB, 4 players) T

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 14.76 BB, fold, SB calls 14.76 BB, BB calls 14.76 BB

Turn: (91.16 BB, 3 players) 6

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (91.16 BB, 3 players) 6

SB bets 47 BB, fold, Hero raises to 94 BB, SB calls 38.12 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 7

(Three of a Kind, Sixes)
(Pre 22%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)
SB shows K

  (Full House, Kings full of Sixes)
(Pre 78%, Flop 93%, Turn 100%)
SB wins 253.4 BB

挺喜欢翻牌的诈唬. 通常可以免费看转河来完全我的后门花. 应该是实现这手equity的最好路线和尺寸了(看来还是得提前买个PIO来分析).

河牌:  V AA,AK很可能会采取这样的线路.  spr大于1的话倾向于只是跟, 这里应该r没有问题,权衡了很久还是r.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 191.84 BB (VPIP: 22.78, PFR: 18.99, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 80)
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 110.04 BB
UTG: 111.24 BB (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 12.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.11, Hands: 1,433)
MP: 831.16 BB (VPIP: 24.20, PFR: 20.08, 3Bet Preflop: 9.73, Hands: 798)
CO: 117.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.48 BB, SB raises to 10.4 BB, Hero calls 9.4 BB, fold

Flop: (23.28 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (23.28 BB, 2 players) 8

SB bets 15.2 BB, Hero calls 15.2 BB

River: (53.68 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

SB shows J

(Flush, King High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 33%, Turn 48%)
Hero mucks 7

  (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 49%, Flop 67%, Turn 52%)
SB wins 108.56 BB

翻牌考虑到下注频率的问题有时bet,有时check. 这手转牌的选择很接近.  跟注应该略好一些. 河牌没有考虑得很周到. 可能弃牌更好.  我block掉A7,7T的诈唬.    所以这手算比较明显的有瑕疵,  当然跟注也不算太糟.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 72.36 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 92.64 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 10.31, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 469)
BB: 106.88 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (CO): 119.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  2

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.68 BB, BTN calls 2.68 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.76 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 2.12 BB, BTN raises to 4.24 BB, Hero calls 2.12 BB

Turn: (15.24 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, BTN bets 14.56 BB, Hero calls 14.56 BB

River: (44.36 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, BTN bets 28.24 BB, Hero calls 28.24 BB

BTN shows 5

(Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 66%, Flop 93%, Turn 82%)
Hero mucks 2

  (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 34%, Flop 7%, Turn 18%)
BTN wins 96.32 BB

这手河牌, 两对仍然只是抓诈唬的牌.    V是生面孔的中国玩家,没有任何信息, 河牌的下注我排除对方SET,因为全进显然是SET的最优打法.  能赢AK,AJ, QT所以跟注. 这个想法有点一厢情愿了, V亮SET.  目前比较少见的old school打法. 做个标记.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 208.92 BB
SB: 132.8 BB (VPIP: 15.74, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 483)
BB: 88.04 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 34)
UTG: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 20.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.36, Hands: 847)
MP: 102.44 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 170.2 BB (VPIP: 22.02, PFR: 17.40, 3Bet Preflop: 8.25, Hands: 999)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  A

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) J

MP checks, Hero bets 6.12 BB, MP calls 6.12 BB

Turn: (31.64 BB, 2 players) 9

MP checks, Hero bets 19.92 BB, MP calls 19.92 BB

River: (71.48 BB, 2 players) 3

MP checks, Hero bets 68.28 BB, MP calls 67.4 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A

(Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 100%)
MP shows 8

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 20%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 198.28 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 263.88 BB (VPIP: 29.25, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 112)
SB: 596.16 BB (VPIP: 19.54, PFR: 16.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 1,025)
BB: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 18.23, 3Bet Preflop: 8.48, Hands: 1,270)
UTG: 107 BB (VPIP: 23.75, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 1,243)
MP: 73.56 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)
Hero (CO): 188.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 8

MP checks, Hero bets 6.12 BB, MP calls 6.12 BB

Turn: (31.64 BB, 2 players) 9

MP bets 13 BB, Hero raises to 173.44 BB and is all-in, MP calls 45.44 BB and is all-in

River: (148.52 BB, 2 players) J

MP shows 6

(High Card, Queen)
(Pre 22%, Flop 23%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows K

  (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 78%, Flop 77%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 141.84 BB

数日不见,短码鱼还挺多的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 145.36 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 50 BB
UTG: 162.52 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)
MP: 110.84 BB (VPIP: 17.06, PFR: 12.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.07, Hands: 1,449)
CO: 52.68 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  6

UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.8 BB, fold, BB calls 1.8 BB

Flop: (8.8 BB, 3 players) 6

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 2.76 BB, BB raises to 5.52 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.76 BB

Turn: (19.84 BB, 2 players) 3

BB bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 21.8 BB, BB calls 17.8 BB

River: (63.44 BB, 2 players) 2

BB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, BB calls 19.88 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 6

(Three of a Kind, Sixes)
(Pre 54%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
BB shows A

  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 46%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 98.56 BB

这手和上面这手,在转牌我都没有去考虑平衡.  如果说短码的一个优势是可以用顶对顶踢更多VALUE JAM,同时也有一个劣势就是经常会被迫用非坚果牌跟注对方的JAM. 打短码的牌手基本平衡不了, 对抗他们的时候自然也不需要去考虑平衡,拼命锤就行了.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 276.28 BB
SB: 52.68 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 125.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 76.04 BB (VPIP: 27.41, PFR: 19.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 277)
MP: 126.16 BB (VPIP: 34.04, PFR: 21.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB calls 1.88 BB, BB calls 1.28 BB

Flop: (6.84 BB, 3 players) 2

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 2.16 BB, SB calls 2.16 BB, fold

Turn: (11.16 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets 7.04 BB, SB calls 7.04 BB

River: (25.24 BB, 2 players) Q

SB checks, Hero bets 57 BB, SB calls 41.2 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 9

(Three of a Kind, Sixes)
(Pre 40%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
SB shows Q

(Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
(Pre 60%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 102.8 BB

仍然是短码. 总体来说,98%以上的短码都是鱼.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 89.64 BB
SB: 290.84 BB (VPIP: 23.57, PFR: 19.75, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 163)
BB: 106.96 BB (VPIP: 25.77, PFR: 19.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.53, Hands: 762)
UTG: 187.68 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 40)
Hero (MP): 235.36 BB
CO: 300.64 BB (VPIP: 28.97, PFR: 22.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 113)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (22.4 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, BTN bets 10.72 BB, Hero calls 10.72 BB

Turn: (43.84 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (43.84 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 28 BB, BTN calls 28 BB

Hero shows A

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 97%, Turn 89%)
BTN mucks T

(One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 41%, Flop 3%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 95.36 BB

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 176.12 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 1.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 226)
SB: 216.96 BB
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 12.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.47, Hands: 319)
Hero (UTG): 120.24 BB
MP: 108.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: 305.4 BB (VPIP: 22.28, PFR: 17.70, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 964)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

Hero raises to 2.68 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.28 BB, fold

Flop: (6.36 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 15.08 BB, SB calls 12.08 BB

Turn: (36.52 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, SB calls 15 BB

River: (66.52 BB, 2 players) J

SB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

SB shows T

(One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 49%, Turn 30%)
Hero shows K

(One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 68%, Flop 51%, Turn 70%)
Hero wins 94.08 BB

这手V的DONK其实不算很糟, 也不算很好. 主要问题是他通过"donk"完成了"什么". 似乎什么也没有. 所以这手DONK不算好.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 206.88 BB
SB: 127.48 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 24)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.88, PFR: 23.57, 3Bet Preflop: 6.48, Hands: 296)
UTG: 138.36 BB (VPIP: 19.01, PFR: 12.92, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 708)
MP: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 15.32, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 2.96, Hands: 455)
CO: 93.08 BB (VPIP: 23.39, PFR: 18.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 175)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.28 BB, SB calls 1.88 BB, fold

Flop: (5.56 BB, 2 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets 1.76 BB, SB calls 1.76 BB

Turn: (9.08 BB, 2 players) 7

SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

River: (15.08 BB, 2 players) 8

SB bets 7.2 BB, Hero raises to 37 BB, SB calls 29.8 BB

Hero shows Q

(Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 55%, Flop 78%, Turn 100%)
SB mucks 6

  (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 45%, Flop 22%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 85.08 BB

一个月前donker满天飞,那波鱼被收拾得差不多了, 最近donk明显见少, 可见ps整体变化的节奏真的是非常非常快.    V转牌的donk也是非常差的.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 307.52 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 112 BB (VPIP: 17.05, PFR: 12.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 1,496)
Hero (BB): 270.6 BB
UTG: 107.52 BB (VPIP: 24.55, PFR: 20.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 113)
MP: 116.92 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 21.55, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 118)
CO: 169.8 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.93, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 190)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has  4

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) K

Hero checks, BTN bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Turn: (20.4 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 36.04 BB, fold

Hero wins 38.6 BB

和上面这手差不多的情况, 我的处理应该比上面那个V好得多. 很多情况是不适合DONK,更适合xr.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.04 BB (VPIP: 19.67, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
SB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 31.86, PFR: 22.12, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 115)
Hero (BB): 173.2 BB
UTG: 130.96 BB (VPIP: 21.94, PFR: 16.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.69, Hands: 2,071)
MP: 318.96 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 28.33, 3Bet Preflop: 29.17, Hands: 62)
CO: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 78)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T

fold, MP raises to 2.88 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, MP calls 8.12 BB

Flop: (22.4 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero bets 24 BB, MP calls 24 BB

Turn: (70.4 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, MP checks

River: (70.4 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, MP checks

Hero shows T

(One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 28%, Turn 14%)
MP mucks 5

  (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 34%, Flop 72%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 67.24 BB

转牌处理得挺好,  转牌会继续overbet Jam 很多车牌,  "2"显然不是, 所以过牌放弃. 河牌也Value不到什么牌, XC应该更好.

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