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作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 04:39
标题: ESPN 2011 WSOP 梦幻联赛选秀结果揭晓
本帖最后由 RichZhu 于 2011-5-28 05:22 编辑

http://www.pokernews.com/news/20 ... gue-draft-10469.htm

David在第一轮以第九顺位入选，充分反映出他在poker界的地位和影响。
另一位华人牌手，Chau Giang在第三轮，32顺位入选。
我在最后一轮，第八轮，84顺位入选。第一次入选这个联赛，希望本届wsop成绩不要太糟。

三位入选的华人选手也都是World Team Poker冠军中国队的成员。

Round 1
1 Eric Baldwin  2 Phil Ivey  3 Erik Seidel  4 Daniel Negreanu 5 Erick Lindgren  6 John Juanda 7 Jason Mercier 8 Barry Greenstein 9 David Chiu 10 Michael Mizrachi

Round 2
11 Shannon Shorr 12 Eugene Katchalov 13 Jeff Lisandro 14 Tom Dwan 15 Men Nguyen 16 Daniel Alaei 17 Phil Hellmuth 18 Scott Clements 19 Alexander Kostritsyn 20 Scotty Nguyen 21 Mark Seif  22 Gavin Smith

Round 3
23 Tom Marchese Holloway 24 Andy Frankenberger 25 Robert Mizrachi 26 Allen Cunningham 27 scott Seiver 28 Ted Forrest 29 Vivek Rajkumar 30 Huck Seed 31 Carlos Mortensen 32 Chau Giang Seif 33 John Racener

Round 4
34 Micheal Binger 35 Phil Galfond 36 Andy Bloch 37 Vanessa Selbst  38 Justin Bonomo  39 Dwyte Pilgrim  40 David Benyamine  41 Bertrand Grospellier 42 David Baker 43 Sam Trickett  44 Shaun Deeb

Round 5 45 Steve  46 Galen Hall  47 Isaac Haxton 48 Mike Matusow  49 Justin Smith  50 Shawn Buchanan  51 Matt Hawrilenko 52 Nick Schulman  53 Frank Kassela 54 Farz Jaka 55 Matt Glantz

Round 6
56 Chad Brown 57 James Mackey 58 David “ODB” Baker 59 Jason Somerville  60 David Oppenheim  61 Alexander Kravchenko 62 Mikael Thuritz 63 Chris Ferguson  64 Brett Richey  65 Justin Young  66 Allen Kessler

Round 7
67 Darren Elias 68 Phil Laak 69 Chris Bjorin 70 Jeff Madsen 71 Yuval Bronshtein 72 Chris Bell 73 Ali Eslami  74 David Pham 75 Vladimir Shchemelev  76 Jennifer Harman  77 Freddy Deeb

Round 8
78 Todd Brunson 79 Jonathan Duhamel 80 Michael Chow 81 Roland De Wolfe 82 Yevgeniy Timoshenko 83 David “Doc” Sands 84 Yueqi Zhu 85 JC Tran 86 Allen Bari 87 Sorel Mizzi 88 Josh Brikis

作者: pokerbean 时间: 2011-5-28 05:12
你是被Negreanu挑中的对吗？选David的那个Baldwin是哪个？Eric Baldwin?

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 05:23

你是被Negreanu挑中的对吗？选David的那个Baldwin是哪个？Eric Baldwin?
pokerbean 发表于 2011-5-28 05:12

是的。我编辑了一下帖子，看来不能偷懒，呵呵。

作者: yacaimei 时间: 2011-5-28 06:30
pokernews 上找不到你的名字，84名叫做“Secret Pick*，原来老朱是”神秘人物“！

作者: yacaimei 时间: 2011-5-28 06:31
不过老朱参加比赛不会太多吧，找他这样积分，是不是选参加所有比赛的选手胜率高一些呢？

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 07:35
本帖最后由 RichZhu 于 2011-5-28 07:50 编辑

pokernews 上找不到你的名字，84名叫做“Secret Pick*，原来老朱是”神秘人物“！ ...
yacaimei 发表于 2011-5-28 06:30

Pokernews是第一时间报道的。Daniel Negreanu动用了他secret pick的权利，希望暂时不要公布我的名字，因为他还有一个自己组织的wsop选秀，那个跟espn的不同，是买家以2万5千刀换取200点，以拍卖形式进行，用点来买，他觉得我一直是under the radar，不想惊动其它买家。那个选秀昨晚已经结束，所以espn的网站今天就有我的名字出现。

昨晚的选秀我以5点成交，Daniel的队伍，价格按拍卖顺序分别是： Scott Seiver 73, Jason Mercier 74, Yuvall Bronstein 1, Yueqi Zhu 5, Mike Matusow 12, Roland DeWolfe 1, Gavin Smith 1, Steve Billrakis 16

一共15支队伍，每队八位牌手，共120位。人员上和ESPN的有些变动，不过华人牌手还是David，Chau，和我三位。David花费的点数最多，我花费的点数最少，不过我们这支队伍里面还有三位1点，倒也不算难看。

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 07:36

不过老朱参加比赛不会太多吧，找他这样积分，是不是选参加所有比赛的选手胜率高一些呢？ ...
yacaimei 发表于 2011-5-28 06:31

从来没有打过一个完整的wsop，今年尽量多打一些吧。

作者: pokerbean 时间: 2011-5-28 08:25
回复 6# RichZhu

呵呵，关于Roland De Wolfe，我就记得他Muck King-high然后又想反悔那手牌了，有啥战绩倒不知道。

这倒是另一个例子佐证“教训:永远不要丧失信心主动扔牌”。

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 08:41

呵呵，关于Roland De Wolfe，我就记得他Muck King-high然后又想反悔那手牌了，有啥战绩倒不知道。

这倒是另一个例子佐证“教训:永远不要丧失信心主动扔牌”。
pokerbean 发表于 2011-5-28 08:25

Roland De Wolfe的比赛成绩不错啊。09年wsop拿了$5，000buyin PLO8的金手链，10年wsope主赛的第四名，还有其它很多，包括07年wsop6个钱圈。

那手king high “bluff”我也记得，对手用Q high跟了，他自己扔牌了，确实可惜，否则是多好的“value bet”啊？哈哈。

作者: luckypanda 时间: 2011-5-28 09:49

三位入选的华人选手也都是World Team Poker冠军中国队的成员。

RichZhu 发表于 2011-5-27 15:39

好啊，D & R 加油，我们拭目以待！

作者: yuhao 时间: 2011-5-28 10:45
朱哥加油！
争取拿到好成绩

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 11:26

朱哥加油！
争取拿到好成绩
yuhao 发表于 2011-5-28 10:45

我会努力。谢谢！

作者: Happy 时间: 2011-5-28 12:22
本帖最后由 Happy 于 2011-5-27 23:23 编辑

真是太好玩儿了！恭喜David和Rich！

梦幻联赛到底会怎么比赛啊？

作者: maomaobiao 时间: 2011-5-28 12:40
有赛事主页或者视频链接吗？？

想再赌David和富贵兄的风采。

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 13:04

真是太好玩儿了！恭喜David和Rich！

这些teams以后会在espn上打比赛还是怎样？
Happy 发表于 2011-5-28 12:22

不是。是ESPN每年wsop前特约一些知名的牌手和媒体挑选自己的队，以wsop的成绩来计算结果。

我前面提到的Daniel组织的业内2万5千美元参加的选秀更“真枪真刀”一些。不过Daniel Negreanu对他自己组织的这个选秀结果非常懊恼，对ESPN选秀非常满意。

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/ ... rom=&ucat=&

分别摘抄一下他对自己这两支队伍的看法。第一段是讲述他在自己组织的选秀怎么失败的，对喜欢玩拍卖的朋友很有借鉴意义，Daniel在这方面是行家，但也有失手的时候。有趣的是，Daniel一再强调后悔没有选到David（因为他前面在抬高对手的价位时砸在手里了，没有多少购买力了）
Team #10 Daniel Negreanu
1: Scott Seiver 73
2: Jason Mercier 74
3: Yuval Bronstein 18
4: Yueqi Zhu 5
5: Mike Matusow 12
6: Roland De Wolfe 1
7: Gavin Smith 1
8: Steve "MrSmokey1" Billirakis 16

Comments: Where do I start ugh. I do not like my team and made some crucial drafting errors that I shouldn't have made. My team should include David Baker as well as David Chiu, but I blew it in both spots then the pool of players dried up. I also pumped the price of Jason Mercier. I was bidding against him and thought he'd go up to 78-80, so I bid 74 and was shutting down at 75. He passed surprisingly, and I was "stuck with him." Luckily he doesn't suck, but after getting Seiver at 73, I couldn't really afford another top 10 guy (both are top 10 WSOP fantasy players for sure).

I'm fine with the Bronstein pick for 18. He'll be playing all of the mixed game tournaments every day and is a solid horse for that price.

Yueqi Zhu is my sleeper who I thought I'd get for 1. Unfortunately Barry Greenstein also knew about Zhu and bid me up to 5. If people knew what I knew, he would be a 45-50 player. He has 27 WSOP cashes, is great at all the games, and for the first time ever will be playing a full slate of tournaments. 4 WSOP cashes last year including a 3rd in Omaha H/L, his best game. He's better known as "Richard" or "YZ" and he's a steal I promise. Great player.

Mike Matusow for 12. Guy has a lot of heart. Issue here? Which Matusow shows up? The one with his head on straight...or the other one? I'm hoping for the sane Mikey.

Roland deWolfe. I threw him out for 1 and no one bit. I thought they would and didn't plan on having him on my team as he'll miss the first two weeks of the series. I've been begging him to come early, we'll see how that works out!

Gavin Smith for 1? I was a bit surprised by this one. I think Gavin is a good horse who will be in events every single day and he plays all the games. I let Gavin know he went for 1 and that lit a fire under his butt, so I'm hoping he crushes to prove a point.

Steve Billirakis. Where is this guy??? I can't find him! I had 16 left for one pick, and absolute cardinal sin when doing auction drafts. I let Baker and Chiu slip then there wasn't a lot of guys left so I took a shot with Smokey, who I know to be a great all around player, but where the heck is he??? I can't get a hold of him, and have no idea what his WSOP plans are.

My strong suit is auction drafts, but I really blew this one. Not that I can't win, but I didn't not put together the best, and most balanced team.

第二段是讲述espn圈内人和圈外人的明显差别。

I also did the ESPN draft with the media guys and a few other players, and in that draft, you'd have to be blind to not see how clear it is that I drafted the best team:

1. Erick Lindgren
2. Danny Alaei
3. Scott Seiver
4. David Benyamine
5. Justin "BoostedJ" Smith
6. Mikael Thuritz
7. Yuval Bronstien
8. Yueqi Zhu

For a frame of reference, that team would have cost 387!!! Anything can happen obviously, but this draft was just absurdly unbalanced. There is a lesson to be learned from this actually. If you look at what the "insiders" (the players) know about the relative skill of their peers, and compare it to the perception from many in the media, you see a major discrepancy. The biggest mistake those drafters make is not understanding the point structure. You get double points for 10k events, and final tables are worth lots of points. So, if you had a choice between drafting Tom Marchese and David Chiu, it's a no brainer. Chiu plays all the mixed games well, while Tom is, at this point, a no limit specialist. My ESPN team has ZERO NLH specialists, and 8 guys who will play lots of the 10k buy in mixed events.
Let's see how you guys do next year!

作者: xphxph 时间: 2011-5-28 13:59
Doly Brunson
和
Johnny chen

怎么没有？

作者: laomao 时间: 2011-5-28 14:48
加油！
争取拿到好成绩

作者: feiyingcpr 时间: 2011-5-28 15:46
为什么要选这个秀呢？不解啊，好像还没有在前面一两轮看到patrik antonios啊？

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-28 16:04

为什么要选这个秀呢？不解啊，好像还没有在前面一两轮看到patrik antonios啊？ ...
feiyingcpr 发表于 2011-5-28 15:46

这个选秀方式很正常啊，NBA，NFL等等都有这个。这次选秀是以预测本届wsop的成绩为基础的，PA在两个选秀里面都没有进来，可能跟过去两年总共进钱圈一次有关系吧？

作者: ggyy1414 时间: 2011-5-28 18:50
Rich今年准备打很多赛事呀？

作者: oyuyo 时间: 2011-5-28 18:58
加油，加油。

作者: Louisyq 时间: 2011-5-28 19:06
顺利入选了，真是好消息。

作者: pokerbean 时间: 2011-5-28 21:32

我前面提到的Daniel组织的业内2万5千美元参加的选秀更“真枪真刀”一些。不过Daniel Negreanu对他自己组织的这个选秀结果非常懊恼，对ESPN选秀非常满意。

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/ ... rom=&ucat=&

分别摘抄一下他对自己这两支队伍的看法。第一段是讲述他在自己组织的选秀怎么失败的，对喜欢玩拍卖的朋友很有借鉴意义，Daniel在这方面是行家，但也有失手的时候。有趣的是，Daniel一再强调后悔没有选到David（因为他前面在抬高对手的价位时砸在手里了，没有多少购买力了）
RichZhu 发表于 2011-5-28 13:04

嗯，既然是所有竞拍人都有相同的固定资金（in this case 200 points），那竞拍本身就是一场很有意思的“POKER”了，Daniel哄抬价码结果砸手里了不就相当于诈唬被抓了吗，哈哈。

作者: dengxianqi 时间: 2011-5-29 00:17
东方快车今年不打wsop吗？

作者: yoking 时间: 2011-5-29 00:41
老邱加油！富贵加油！

富贵还要注意饮食。

作者: luckypanda 时间: 2011-5-29 05:07

Yueqi Zhu is my sleeper who I thought I'd get for 1. Unfortunately Barry Greenstein also knew about Zhu and bid me up to 5. If people knew what I knew, he would be a 45-50 player. He has 27 WSOP cashes, is great at all the games, and for the first time ever will be playing a full slate of tournaments. 4 WSOP cashes last year including a 3rd in Omaha H/L, his best game. He's better known as "Richard" or "YZ" and he's a steal I promise. Great player.

RichZhu 发表于 2011-5-28 00:04

Daniel Negreanu对Rich是相当了解和肯定呢。

作者: jacksh001 时间: 2011-5-29 07:09
原你光光辉辉亮相在,main event final table.

作者: Howard 时间: 2011-5-29 09:31
老朱老邱加油！争取超越去年的好成绩！

也是奇怪，Johnny Chan怎么入选

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-29 09:55

Rich今年准备打很多赛事呀？
ggyy1414 发表于 2011-5-28 18:50

去年打了17个比赛，今年应该超过这个数吧。

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-29 09:58
谢谢大家的支持与鼓励。不一一回复了。再次感谢！

作者: royalflush 时间: 2011-5-29 10:34
好精彩突然有点想飞去拉斯韦加斯

作者: dliilb 时间: 2011-5-29 12:55
又有好戏上演了。

作者: 青萍之末 时间: 2011-5-29 21:09
迟到的祝福！老朱加油！

作者: 52magic 时间: 2011-5-30 01:29
朱哥和丹牛挺熟的嘛

作者: RichZhu 时间: 2011-5-30 02:31
一些朋友好像对这个选秀不是很清楚，我尽量解释一下。

这类选秀其实在媒体和博彩业很盛行，NBA，NFL等等所有大的赛事都有类似的选秀，相当于side bet。就wsop而言，每年都有各式的选秀，比如FTP去年给所有玩家免费选自己的梦幻队，赢家好像是主赛门票吧？这些五花八门的选秀中，有两个选秀影响力比较大：一个是ESPN选秀，因为ESPN有WSOP的转播权；另一个就是业内2万五千刀的这个选秀，今年是Daniel Negreanu组织，去年好像是Howard Lederer组织。从媒体宣传的角度，前者大一些；从牌手的角度可能后者更专业，毕竟后者不但涉及到拍卖者本身的直接利益，而且常常伴随各队之间的附加下注，有些情况数额会很大，拍卖者是不会拿自己的钱开玩笑的。

正因如此，在选秀的时候，挑选者更倾向于他们比较了解的牌手，心里比较有底，另外在选秀的策略方面也有考虑，因而选秀结果可能会有些让人意外，比如大家熟悉的很多牌手Gus Hansen， Kenny Tran等等都落选了。

不管怎样，对大多数人来说，这也就是赛前花絮，增加观看比赛的趣味而已。Enjoy！

作者: CN_Ricky 时间: 2011-5-30 10:28
加油!啥时候开打呢?

作者: alexallwin 时间: 2011-5-31 10:24
实在是太崇拜富贵了

作者: flylan 时间: 2011-6-2 13:36
GO GO GO ALE ALE ALE!!

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