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作者: rahj 时间: 2017-7-18 10:39
标题: 高低奥马哈学习点滴
我很中意去学O8这个游戏,不单单是因为职业牌手最有可能高估自己的O8水平,而且十分有趣.而单单是在牌桌上战胜高手的乐趣,就足以让我投入精力去研究和研磨O8,更何况O8是华裔牌手的看家本领,城的创始人老大和老邱都熟捻与此,老大在O8中的造诣更是有目共睹,也给我不少的底气.
我本人是打现场现金入门的,自然而然更愿意去打O8 cash,但是O8偏隅一方,扎根于美国,现场估计没得太多机会打.好在东边不亮西边亮,有网络扑克,总有的局切磋,也省时间于路上,何乐而不为之.
我首选平台是博狗,其实不是个好选择,有三大弊端,好在也有三大优势:底牌\返水\匿名.
在博狗上初学PLO8靠得就是打的时候靠HUD,不会看错牌,复盘的时候看到底牌,当然HUD是个双刃剑,是扶手但是很多东西必须自己算,就好比下棋的人,本有业余初段,用多了形势判断和点目,就只能算作2k了.
选定平台后,级别到不是个问题,常规桌从1/2打上去就是,O8短手桌打的action很多,锅很大,桌面动态丰富,这对读牌能力强的人而言是个good game.
我在教学实践中慢慢发现,自学玩家适合满员桌起步,利用紧手可自动获利不至于染上恶习,而有人指点上路则单挑为最优选择.就我个人而言也是尝试过单挑德州扑克后才发现自身的瓶颈.
回到高低奥马哈,我认为单挑可以提高玩家的读牌分析能力,能更好的去关注一个玩家,研究打法模型和特征识别,涉及到抽水(这在PLO8中尤为重要),单挑SNG比单挑cash更合适,我去年打单挑SNG战绩尚可,时间投资回报比高于常规桌,但是由于免费插件牌谱不能导入HM2,所以玩的不是很多,好在现在想起还有个Bovada Card Catcher的复盘组合,问题倒不是很大.
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老大帖子www.zhiyoucheng.co/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5728提到新手从9人桌,低级别入手,我认为对初学玩家都是原则性问题.我PLO8也是遵循这个原则缓缓升级,打到0.5/1后才更多涉足6人牌桌,6Max总体说要更凶,action也会更多.
PS:我今晨梦中所得,PLO8短手桌偷盲效果不如O8短手桌的偷盲,不知所谓,还想请老大指点.
O8/PLO8的低级别9人桌,其实是个solved game,用个中国足球常用的口号就是保平争胜,也就是make nut on one side and freeroll on the other side,或者说拿nuts low去freeroll对手的hi，或者拿nuts hi 去freeroll对手的low,本质就是nuts和freeroll以确保scoop.
具体到O8,则是要保证:翻前紧,翻后要更紧,多玩可玩性高的起手牌.翻后更紧是其中的关键,老大帖子中以顶暗三为例说明翻牌圈打法,老邱也谈过,转牌圈三同花,只有A同花和顶暗三是唯二两手可以坚持的高牌.
限注德州扑克里面翻牌圈最佳的跟注比率大概为20%,我猜想O8中也不应该高于这个值,特别是位处中位被包夹,后面的情况不明时.
说到位置,限注扑克我实战打的不多理解可能也不够透彻,这个位置和限注扑克的特点有关.老邱和老大都提过O8的特点和本质是高频率剥削小优势,偶尔通过诈唬剥削大优势.
对于O8而言,后位挺好的,特别是在多人底池中,前位也不错,而中位比较尴尬,降低入池人数和保持锅的大小这两项很难调和,涉及到flop后的操作,比较复杂.
举例:A236ss这手牌,在9人,5人,单挑中的打法迥异,于玩家所处的位置以及之前的行动更有着很强的联系.
以前我只把它当作quarter A2/A3轮子的一手牌,主打多人锅,很少加注,有利位置也只是跟着limp入池,现在我有了不同的看法,it's depend on a lot of things.
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几个问题
昨天刚得了一本书,Ray Zee的High-Low-Split Poker, Seven-Card Stud and Omaha Eight-Or-Better for Advanced Players,还不知道写的如何.
序言中谈及正文写了不少关于短手桌的要诀,老大也提及:而(O8)5人桌以下则主要是stealing/defending blinds and value betting marginal hands. 后者跟holdem及其他所几乎所有"button"牌局类似，因此我打算深入了解下O8短手桌的打法,不知可否指点一二.
盲注攻防希望通过单挑SNG来掌握,毕竟说到边缘牌,高低奥马哈我处理的会更有把握一些.
单挑中,BTN的单边跛腿牌和双边边缘牌应该如何处理呢,按照牌理,似乎单边牌应该limp入池为主,我PLO8中也是如此,偶尔平衡一下.但是有限注扑克的下注方式决定,翻牌圈下注给对方合适的赔率去跟注,那么是否单边跛腿牌也可以(应该)加注入池?
这样能在击中翻牌面的基础上,由于加注open的范围强于BB跟注的范围,我方cbet可以匹配这一个尺度的下注,而且不用担心赔率不合适对方弃牌.
PS:我今晨梦中所得,PLO8短手桌偷盲效果不如O8短手桌的偷盲,不知所谓,还想请老大指点.
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作者: 1748 时间: 2017-7-18 10:52
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作者: rahj 时间: 2017-7-26 20:27
ignition的常规高低桌子平时也开不起来,只能通过玩玩sng弥补下手数
看来是时候转战PS平台了.
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-7-28 13:07
10天前，我曾经提到单边跛腿牌例如纯高牌应该如何处理的问题。
现在我对多人桌这个问题有了较为清晰的认识。
在多人桌，这种牌还是应该以limp为主，除非你在大盲且已经进来了很多玩家的情况下，很少有加注或者加注limp的选项，毕竟就算是顶set打多人池没有redraw还是会很别扭，即便flop只有一张小牌。
单挑情况比较复杂，不能简单说是应该希望对方跟注还是弃牌，翻前策略要视对手情况特别是翻后倾向而定。
如果对方翻后较紧，有利位置跛脚牌加注开池比较合适，如果对方翻后较松，在一张小牌的flop也不会放弃自己的lo draw，那么limp入池更为容易灵活处理。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-1 17:45
High-Low-Split Poker中，奥马哈高低部分问答环节的中英文对照翻译
GENERAL CONCEPTS
1. What should you normally try to do before the flop?
Get in cheaply.
Q1 你翻前应该做的事情是？
A1 便宜看翻牌。
2. Why would you put in a lot of money early?
Usually to knock out players so you have a positional advantage.
Q2你翻前放钱进锅的主要动机是？
A2 赶走后面的玩家，获取位置优势，甚至赶走盲注，给锅里弄些死钱。
3. What is the big decision?
To analyze the flop and understand how it relates to your hand and whether you should play
on.
Q3 什么是最重要的环节？
A3 分析翻牌、理解翻牌与手牌之间的联系以及决定是否继续玩这首牌。
4. What do most people do in this game?
They tend to play too loose after the flop.
Q4 绝大部分玩家的游戏策略是？
A4 他们喜欢翻后玩的松（特别是底池很小时）
5. When a lot of players take the flop, what must you have to continue?
The nut low draw, the nut low made
with
redraws,
or a very strong high hand.
Q5 一群玩家看翻牌，你继续玩下去的条件？
A5 坚果低听牌，坚果低加redraws（或者抵消张），一手很强的高牌。（一般出了低牌面，非坚果高牌意义不大）
6. What is one of the big skill factors in this game?
Understanding how the other players play their hands and playing your hand accordingly.
Q6 高低的一大关键因素？
A6 理解其他玩家玩牌的方式，并随之调整你的策略。
7. What is the secret of this game?
To have the nuts with draws to better hands.
Q7 这个游戏的奥秘？
A7 坚果牌带redraws。
8. What does this mean?
That it is important to have all four of your cards working well together so you have back-
door possibilities.
Q8 这意味着什么？
A8 奥马哈的4张手牌需要紧密的联系在一起，以保证你有后门听牌的可能。（A很关键，有其他低牌时A可以当两张牌，789T这4张牌很差，要尽量避免）
9. What will this sometimes allow you to do?
To take some pots back or, at times, to three-quarter your opponent instead of splitting the
pot.
Q9 有单边nuts而另一边也有听牌可以做什么？
A9 有时能scoop底池（高低通吃），有时能四分对手（对手只赢下1/4底池），而不是平分底池（除去抽水你只能拿回你投入底池的钱）。
P
OSITION
1. Do you play many hands up front?
No, as there is too much jamming.
Q1 你是否能在前位玩很多手牌？
A1 不能，太多行动。（翻后你在中间容易被包夹）
2. What does this mean?
That you should play only the absolute premium hands in early position.
Q2 这意味着什么？
A2 你在前位只能玩强牌（如AA23等）
3. What if the game is tight?
You will want to play few hands up front and to steal a lot of pots in the back.
Q3 如果游戏很紧呢？
A3 你前位要玩更少的牌，而后位需要多偷底。
4. What if the game is loose?
Stealing becomes unimportant, as you virtually never have the opportunity to try it.
Q4 如果游戏很松呢？
A4 偷底已经不重要了，你没机会去偷。
5. You still expect action when you attempt to steal from late position, so why do you want to
play a lot of weaker hands from this spot?
Many players won't play without ace-deuce, ace-trey, or some other big hand. This means
that you frequently will end up playing against the blinds, who will take a flop with a weak
hand to see what is out there.
Q5 当你在后位偷底时已经意识到会遭遇抵抗，为何你还要用弱牌和边缘牌去偷底呢？
A5 大部分玩家没有A2/A3和其他大牌就不跟加注，这意味着你经常是对抗盲注玩家，如果盲注玩家希望用弱牌跟注看翻牌。
注：O8本身的特点决定盲注更容易跟注
LOW HANDS
1. When many people have entered the pot, why is playing a hand that just contains ace-deuce or
ace-trey not enough?
Because you often will get quartered, unless your opponents are very bad players.
Q1 当很多玩家进入底池，为何只玩A2/A3是不够的？
A1 因为你经常被四分，除非你对手很差。（比如庄位玩4567）
2. In multiway pots, what hands do you want?
Hands that have a third low card, such as ace-deuce-trey or ace-deuce-four, or four low
cards with the ace in your hand.
Q2 在多人底池，你倾向玩什么牌？
A2 有抵消张的低牌，例如A23/A24（A带2张轮子牌）
3. What often occurs in multiway pots?
A lot of the low hands get counterfeited by one of your low cards coming out on fourth or
fifth street.
Q3 多人底池常发生什么情况？
A3 低牌在转牌或者河牌被抵消。（出了A或者2）
4. How do you play tremendous low hands, such as three or four low cards that also might be
suited up?
You don't mind putting in more money early because much of the time you will flop a low
hand or a draw to a low hand.
Q4 有3、4张轮子牌加同花的至尊低牌应该怎么玩？
A4 放钱进去！
注：老大说，这种强牌打多人锅合适，双同花也是对手越多越好，前位没位置没必要加注，如果是盲位别人已经进来了，加注即可。
5. How do you now play if a lot of money goes in early?
You should take a card off to see fourth street, even when the flop is not very favorable.
Q5 如果钱投进来了怎么打？
A5 如果翻牌不理想，你也应该积极看转牌。
6. What if high cards come early?
There rarely will be more than one high hand with strength, so it is unlikely that you will
get jammed.
Q6 如果flop来了高牌咋办？
A6 往往来了高牌而有质量的高手牌不多，因此不怕被包夹
7. What if low cards come?
The high hand will get jammed in.
Q7 如果低牌来了咋办?
A7 高手牌就难办了（低手牌会下注加注再加注cap）
8. What is a general rule to remember?
Jammed pots when low cards flop usually mean several low draws.
Q8 有啥总则好记？
A8 当flop出了两张低牌，一个很多行动的底池意味着几个玩家手上有低牌听牌。
9. In medium- to high-stakes games, is an ace-deuce automatically a giant hand?
No, it is not the kind of hand to wait for.
Q9 中高额游戏，A2是否就一定是好牌？
A9 不是！
10. Is this true at the low-stakes games?
No, as there are almost always players who consistently draw at the third and fourth (or
even worse) low hands.
Q10 那低额游戏呢？
A10 A2是好牌，因为总有坚定地听非坚果低的玩家在里面。
11. In a high-stakes game, when would you be more willing to play a dry ace-deuce?
When there is a "live one" in the pot.
Q11 在高额游戏中，你玩不玩裸A2？
A11 只要有鱼儿在就玩。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-1 19:44
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2017-8-1 21:37 编辑
注明：括号中为自己为帮助理解而加上的注释
HIGH HANDS
1. How do high hands perform in situations where no low card or only one comes on the flop?
Well.
1 如果至多一张低牌出现在翻牌面上，高手牌的表现如何？
1 很好。
2. What if two or three low cards come on the flop?
The high hands now do poorly.
2 如果两张以上的低牌出现在翻牌上呢？
2 高手牌就很差了。
3. In what type of games do high hands do well?
In games where the pot is not raised before the flop.
3 哪些游戏中高手牌可玩性很高呢？
3 翻前底池不大的那类游戏。
4. Why?
Because it is more likely than not that two low cards will flop, meaning that most flops are
going to be unplayable.
4 为何？
4 因为没两张低牌出现，意味着除了高牌能继续下去的牌不多。
5. Suppose you flop top set but two low cards are also on board?
Your hand often will be in trouble, because low straights and flushes are fairly easy to
make.
5 假定翻牌出最大暗三的时候有两张小牌，怎么玩？
5 桌面出现两张小牌带追同花，你的大暗三要看你的位置，因为这个牌面有听顺子甚至同花的可能性。（如果没有位置，要更谨慎的行事，而没有redraw的小暗三，没低牌听牌可以丢了）
6. What does this mean?
You want to play more high hands in games where it does not cost much to see the flop.
6 高牌咋玩？
6 尽可能的便宜的有位置的玩。（没位置你不知道看翻牌的成本）
7. What if the action is not multiway?
It doesn't matter whether you get in cheaply, because high hands play well short-handed.
7 如果单挑怎么玩高牌？
7 单挑中高牌表现不错，便宜与否关系不大。（单挑见之前的讨论）
8. Why do suited high hands do well in tight games?
Because three low cards don't always appear. When they do come, they may not make your
opponents' hands.
8 为何同花高牌在紧的游戏中更有价值？
8 因为三张低牌不总是在翻牌出现，就算出现，你对手也未必有低的成手牌。
9. What do you want to avoid?
Playing when it looks as though other people might be counterfeiting your hand.
9 你应该避免什么？
9 当其他玩家可能有你手持的高牌时，你应该玩的很小心。（你的听张死牌了）
10. Example?
A hand like
is usually very good. But if a couple of other players also
are playing high with similar big cards, your hand is probably somewhat counterfeited by
their hands.
10 举个例子？
10 TJQK挺不错的，但是如果其他玩家也爱玩类似的高张大牌，你这牌的出路可能被抵消了。
11. When do you want to have high hands?
When you are in a short-handed pot against players who play only the low hands.
11 你何时想要持高牌入池？
11 当你在一个短桌，而对手在短桌还只玩低牌时。
12. In what situation do high hands not play well?
Against players who play extremely tight and are likely to have a hand like two aces with
low cards.
12 何种情况下，高手牌应该小心的玩？
12 对上只玩AA带低牌的那些岩石玩家时，（在短手桌偷他们的盲注）
13. Why is having a hand that can go further without much early improvement an advantage?
Because it has more opportunity for overall improvement. Also, your opponent can bet for
value more often or bluff and knock you out when you would have had a winning hand at a
later stage.
13 为何要玩一些后期的坚果强牌（类似于三条街AKs in NLH）？
13 因为这些牌可以得到全面提升，而且你对手可能会价值或者诈唬下注而撞上你的坚果牌。
14. What must you do when playing the high hands heads up?
You must call a lot of times and see how the hand develops.
14 当单挑时玩高牌你应该？
14 你应该多跟注以便看翻牌。
15. Why is this so?
Because you often will split the pot with a low hand.
15 为啥？
15 因为你经常会与低手成牌平分底池。
16. But what if the board becomes real scary?
If a player shows strength, you will have to get out.
16 但是当牌面潮湿时？
16 如果对方示强，你应该退让。
17. By reading your opponent, what should you be able to determine?
Whether you have a split or a probable loser.
17 通过阅读你的对手，你应该做出什么推断？
17 究竟你是平分底池还是被对方scoop。
18. What are some hints to help you in this area?
1. Pay attention to the game.
2. Try to understand the meaning of someone's bet, check, or raise. (Will your opponent
make a play shorthanded?)
3. Is anyone currently steaming?
4. When in a tough situation, take all the time you need to determine the best course of action.
5. Spend time away from the table thinking about some of your tougher hands.
18 有啥好的提示？
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1 保持专注；
2 理解对方各种动作背后的意义；（对手是否会玩少人池）
3 有人上头了么？
4 当处于困难的形式下，用尽所有时间去思考你所能采取的最佳行动；5 下桌后花时间思考你那些棘手的牌局。
19. How should you play high hands when the flop is such that a lot of scare cards can come to
beat you?
In this situation, you don't want to play high hands too aggressively.
19 当你玩高牌而翻牌出现了惊悚张，你应该如何？
19 在这种情况下，你不应该玩的过于激进。
20. When is this particularly true?
When you have flopped a set and the other two cards on board are reasonably close
together.
20 比如说？
20 如顶set遇到三同花或者三连张或两低牌配两同花等情况。
21. Example?
You have
and the flop comes
21 举例说下？
21 你手持QQJJ，翻牌Jh3s4h、你没有redraws。
22. When you are in a multiway pot and find yourself in one of these spots, how do you play?
Very cautiously.
22 当你在多人底池中，而出现以上状况时，你应该怎么玩？
22 特别小心。（怎么样个小心法具体看老大高低入门中翻牌的那个例子）
YOUR STARTING HAND
1. Except for the very beststarting hands, what can happen to any hand that you hold?
It can be counterfeited by asimilar starting hand either one notch higher or slightly lower
with an additional draw.
1 除至尊好牌外，其他手牌可能遇到什么情况？
1 被统治或者被抵消，例如和你起手牌相近的手牌加上额外的听牌。（这经常发生在A2/A3起手牌上，特别是你中了轮子，对方6、7high的顺子从而四分你）
2. How often does this happen?
Not every time, but a lot inmultiway pots.
2 这常发生吗？
2 并不是每次都会，但是在多人底池中比较常见。
3. What does this mean?
You must be careful with manyhands that look reasonably good.
3 这意味着这什么？
3 但你拿着好牌但不是至尊起手牌时要时刻注意。
4. What if you are in ashort-handed pot?
You have to play these handsout.
4 当你在短手池中如何处理？
4 你还是应该玩这些牌。
5. Since most hands run veryclose, what is the most important skill?
The ability to outplay youropponent.
5 短手桌手牌胜率很接近，那最重要的技能是什么？
5 你能击败你的对手。
6. Why do low hands have aplaying advantage over high hands?
Because scare cards oftenappear, and the holder of the high hand does not know what to
do.
6 为何低手牌可玩性高于高手牌？
6 因为当惊悚牌出现时，持高牌的玩家往往没有办法继续打价值。
7. What is the disadvantage ofthe low hand?
The high hand can force thelow hand to call all bets.
7 低手牌的缺陷是什么？
7 高手成牌会一直下注迫使低手牌跟注。（特指翻牌与河牌，转牌不一定成立）
8. What do high hands, eventhose that have made big hands, frequently need in multiway pots?
Redraws.
8 多人底池，当做成一手大牌时，还需要什么？
8 再听牌。
9. If a third low card comeson the river, besides making a low, what else might it make?
A small straight that can beata high set.
9 如果第三张小牌掉在河牌，除做成低牌外，还能做成什么牌？
9 小顺子，可以击败顶set。（河牌无花面的顶K set时，河牌必成顺或成低手牌，因此KK无低牌意义不大，PLO8中同理，大对子价值很低）
10. What if this low card alsogives the high hand a flush?
Then it is not so bad.
10 如果这第三张小牌也令高牌升级为一手同花，则？
10 情况不算糟。
11. Why is an ace a key card?
Because it is needed to makethe nut low when there is no ace on board, it can make the nut
flush, and when it makes ahigh straight, it is the nut straight.
11 为何A为高低奥马哈的关键张？
11 当牌面无A，有A是坚果低的关键张，如果有同花，也是坚果牌的关键张，当A做成顺时，必定是坚果顺。（因为A即可以算最大的牌，也可以算最小的牌）
12. If you play an ace and alot of people take the flop, what does this mean?
It is likely not only that oneor more of your opponents holds an ace, but also that someone
has an ace-deuce or anace-trey.
12 当你有A而一群人看翻牌这意味着什么？
12 可能不止一个对手手中有A，而且还有A2/A3的起手牌。
13. In general, what happensif you start with three or fewer coordinated cards?
Your hand will prove to bevery costly.
13 如果你起手牌只有3张互相关联，会有啥事？
13 费钱！（特别是起手3张不带A的轮子牌，而第四张是中间张，对上起手牌中有A+低牌的玩家，基本上是3张打人家5张）
14. What is the exception?
You hold an ace-deuce, whichdoes not always require all four cards working together.
14 例外？
14 你手持A2，其他几张牌的关联度要求相对不高。
15. What might be anotherpossible exception?
A hand like ace-trey-four-ten,with the ace suited to one of the other cards.
15 除此之外呢？
15 例如A34T，其中AT同花（没有费张，4为抵消张，而且中低牌听牌时，可能出现听花面）。
16. Why is it important tohave all four cards working together?
Because many pots get jammedon the later streets, and you often need the extra outs.
16 为何4张牌互相关联那么重要？
15 因为在后面几条街会有很多行动和包夹，你经常需要额外的出路，相互关联的手牌可以保证这一点。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-1 23:56
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2017-8-2 00:11 编辑
刚刚有幸玩了第一盘BIGO，感觉几乎所有玩家似乎是和钱过不去。
打得松不说，完全不看起手牌质量的，bigO由于要用到五张手牌，没A我基本是不看其他牌的。
几乎90%的玩家可以说连PLO8都不会，不过看ps上开的桌数，bigO以后的流行度肯定是要超过PLO8的。
因为不到1年时间，PLO8的桌子从有到无，相反bigO的桌子从无到有（瞎猜的）。
起手牌一般是要控制在A2wBBds这个范围，AA带的小牌不好前位都没啥可玩性。
我看见有用三条接我翻前allin的玩家，估计是stud转来的，用q花call我葫芦的玩家可能是德州下班过来玩的。
我小盲位多次拒绝跟注看family翻牌不知会不会被人标成大紧逼
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-2 01:08
bigO的概率问题，少不得要召唤老陈来查缺补漏了 @老陈
1）5张手牌，有可能与公牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？
91.09%
2）5张公牌，有可能与手牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？
69.09%
用排除法，以下的组合不合格
No. 1
5张都是大牌
c(20,5）=15504
No.2
4张大牌，1张小牌
c(20,4)*c(32,1)
4845*32
155040
No. 3
3张大牌，2张小牌一对
c(20,3)*c(8,1)*c(4,2)
20*19*18/6*8*4*3/2
54720
No. 4
2张大牌，小牌3条
c(20,2)*c(8,1)*c(4,3)
20*19/2*8*4
6080
No. 5
1张大牌小牌4条
8*20=160
Total
231504
c(52,5)
2598960
不合格概率
231504/2598960
8.907563%
答案：91.093%
再次给老陈点个赞，我在论坛上都算错了好几次，他在手机上都是一次过的。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-7 22:30
STARTING WITH BIG PAIRS 大对子起手牌
1. Comment on a hand that includes two aces. It is a key hand in Omaha eight-or-better. When your hand also includes a deuce, and to a lesser extent a trey, it is a premium hand.
当有AA的起手牌都是可玩的，而当小牌是2，或至少是3时，这首牌就是至尊。
2. What is the bad part of having two aces? When you make three of a kind, one of the cards needed to make a low is now on board.
一对A的缺点是？
当你有三条A时，能构成低牌的一张A已经在牌面上了。
3. What if you make a high set, such as three kings? It is not as likely that someone will share a low with you.
那么三条K如何呢？
比三条A好的地方在于，可能你可以凭借高牌scoop整个底池。
4. What if you have two aces without a good low card? You can't stand a lot of action before the flop, unless you are suited up or have four high cards.
如果你只有一对A而没有好的低牌会如何？
翻牌前谨慎行事，除非你有A同花或者纯高牌。
5. How would you play AAT7？You would discard this hand if there is any kind of action early.
你如何玩AAT7不同花？
前面有bet有raise，弃牌。（由于A是关键牌，没A不玩，所以你翻前放弃AAxx的场景很少，这里由于有7，没有cap我是不会考虑弃牌的）
6. If there is a lot of action, what does it probably mean? Someone most likely holds an ace-deuce, and your chances of making three of a kind have diminished.
如果有很多行动，可能是什么原因？
有人手持A2，那么你AA做成三条的几率降低了。
7. What about other big pairs? They do poorly unless the pot is short-handed, the flop comes with three high cards, or the pairs are joined by two other related high cards.
其他大对子呢？
多人桌，QQ和以下的大对子没啥价值，除非是短手桌，或者翻牌面是三张高牌，或者对子和其他高牌一起能构成连张。
8. What happens as big cards get lower? Their value drops way off.
如果对子的点数低了呢？
那么价值下降的更快。
9. Why is that? Because when you make a straight, it puts low cards on board.
为何？
因为高牌连张成nut顺的时候，会有小牌出现在牌面上。（因此高牌带A最理想，KQJT也是好牌，但是QJT9，JJ99则不是）
10. Example? A hand like 9988 is close to the worst four cards that you can be dealt.
例子？
9988不同花可能是你能遇到的最烂的牌了。
WHEN YOU ARE FIRST IN 当你第一个入池
1. What does a call do? It tends to promote multiway pots.
如果你limp会？
通常会导致一个多路底池。（紧的短手桌通常不要limp入池，而是加注入池，但是长桌你处于UTG，+1，+2，limp open通常不算错）
2. When should you raise? When you are hoping to narrow the field to three or fewer players.
你何时应该加注入池？
如果你希望管理入池人数到3人以下时。
3. What if the game is loose? You can expect multiway pots whether you just call or raise.
如果桌子很松呢？
你open进来，一圈人跟进。
4. How should you play in this situation? According to what best fits your style.
这种情况应该如何玩？
根据你的翻后策略制定最佳的行动模式。
5. If the game is loose but there is a lot of raising, why might you just want to call? To see who does the raising so you can gauge the strengths of the various hands.
如果游戏很松，但是很多加注再加注，你是否应该跟注？
你应该留意加注者，由此来估计你的手牌强度。
6. In a tight game, how should you usually bring it in? With a raise.
紧手游戏中，如何入池？（首引，哈哈）
加注入池。
7. What are you hoping to accomplish with your raise? Either to steal the blinds or to play against only the blinds.
为何要加注入池？
偷盲或者与盲注游戏。（你位置有利）
8. What typically happens if you don't bring it in with a raise? You often find yourself caught in the middle, even if the game is tight.
如果你平call入池会如何？
你会发现自己翻后处于中间位置，即便游戏很紧。（也可能被后位隔离，往往导致你处于不利位置）
9. In general, should you raise a lot? No. You should not raise unless the game is tight and you are confident that you can get in a heads-up confrontation.
大体上你是否应该多加注呢？
不，除非游戏很紧，且你对翻后单挑比较有自信。（如果你单挑差劲，limp入池常常会导致后位玩家对你的攻击，那么你就不适合这个游戏）
10. What often happens when you are playing heads up? You can win the high with very weak hands, plus you can bluff players out since most of your opponents will play for low.
单挑时会出现什么情况？
高牌不需要太强就能拿下，此外你可以对只游戏低牌的对手进行诈唬获利。
HOW TO PLAY YOUR HAND 如何玩你的手牌
1. If you decide to play your hand, what must you determine? Whether you want lots of opponents or a few opponents, a big pot or a small pot.
一旦你决定玩这首牌，你应该决定哪些因素？
你需要一个多少人的底池，大底池或者小底池。
2. What should influence your decision? The type of players who are behind you, your position, the game, and even how you are doing in the game.
什么因素影响你的决策？
你后面玩家的类型，你的位置，游戏类型以及你的游戏历史。
3. But what is your decision mainly based on? The strength of your hand.
高低奥马哈的最重要的决策是基于？
你的手牌强度。
4. Example? If you are raising and reraising, you usually should have the nuts, especially if you are on the low side.
例子？
如果你加注再加注，你通常持有nuts，特别是低牌nuts。（最好有抵消张）
5. What else should you consider? How easy it is for your hand to be counterfeited later on, or how easy it is for a scare card to come that may prevent an opponent from jamming.
除此之外你还需要考虑？
你的低牌成牌是否在后几条街被抵消，你的高成手牌是否被惊悚牌所击败，导致你对手逃过惩罚。
6. If it is easy for you to get counterfeited, what precaution should you take? In this case, you might not want to give a lot of action until all the cards are out.
如果你的低牌容易被抵消，那你应该如何预防？
河牌前保持一个小底池，直到所有牌翻出。
7. Suppose you have the high and you want the player with the probable low to jam it. However, your opponent might fear that if a small card comes on a later street, his hand can be ruined, or perhaps he may just be afraid to bet. What should you do? You usually should play fast.
假设你有高牌，你希望一个可能有低牌的玩家与你一起夹击。然而你的对手害怕小牌出现导致他的低牌被抵消，或者他不敢下注，你应该如何？
快玩高牌。（而有很强低牌（带二级抵消张）的玩家常常在翻牌慢玩，让更多听非nuts低牌玩家一起进来）
8. Why is a little deception early good? Because many people will form an opinion about your hand and stick with it.
为何在早期进行欺诈玩法好呢？
让更多玩家形成一个对你的错误印象，因而你可以从中获利。
9. Give an example of deceptive play. On an early round, you occasionally do not raise in a spot where most other players will raise, or you will bet with a marginal hand.
举个例子。
当一局刚开始时，你偶尔慢玩所有玩家都会加注的手牌，或者你用一手边缘牌下注。
10. What might this type of play do for you? Someone could misread your hand and give you lots of action with the second-best hand.
这种非正常化的玩法会导致什么？
有玩家会误读你的手牌并且用第二坚果加注以及支付你的第一坚果。
PLAY ON THE FLOP 翻牌圈的游戏
1. What should you do any time that an ace hits on the flop? Tighten up significantly.
翻牌击中一个A应该如何玩？
更紧。（其他玩家也有一对A）
2. What typically can happen if an ace hits the board with another low card? A player who waits for premium hands can have the nut low draw with a pair of aces and possibly other draws working.
翻牌出了一张A和一张小牌会发生什么？
喜欢玩最好起手牌的玩家击中了坚果低听牌以及一对A，可能还有其他听牌。
3. Suppose the flop is QT2 you hold two queens, and there is a fair amount of money already in the pot. What should you do? Raise or perhaps try for a check-raise in an effort to knock out other players.
假设翻牌是QT2r，你有一对Q，底池已经有不少钱了，你应该如何玩？
加注或者尝试过牌加注，赶走听后门低牌的玩家。
4. Now suppose you have a big wrap-around straight draw with the same flop. Should you raise? No, as you do not want to knock out other players.
假设你有手大牌的wrap的顺子听牌，你是否应该加注？
不，你不应该配合高成手牌玩家把其他玩家赶出底池。
5. What if you think one of your opponents has a hand similar to your hand? You probably would want to eliminate all players with low draws.
如果你认为一个对手和你手牌类似，那么？
你应该将低牌听牌的玩家赶出底池。（以免你拿到顺子后却被四分）
6. What might this allow you to do? To split the high with no one getting the low, to win with just a high pair, or if low cards come, to bluff your opponent out.
这可以让你做什么呢？
没有其他玩家拿低牌时平分底池，或者凭借大对子赢下高牌，或者在低牌出现时，诈唬走对手。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-8 15:22
WHEN YOU HAVE THE BEST HAND 你手握最好的牌时
1. What should you do when you believe you have the best hand? Either bet or raise, except possibly on the flop.
当你确信你有最好牌时你应该如何玩？
尽可能的下注和加注，可能翻牌是个例外。（如果你不能把大部分筹码投入底池，翻牌坚果通常意味着你需要redraw补强，因为你成靶子了）
2. Why should you sometimes make the flop an exception? To see whether a scare card or a counterfeit card comes to knock you off.
为何翻牌坚果是例外？
你还有两张牌看，可能来一张惊悚牌或者一张抵消张从而击败你的坚果。
3. Example? You have the flop is and the pot is multiway. Since all you have is a low, you want to be extremely careful before you put a lot of money in the pot.
例子：你手持A2，而翻牌是三小牌，你只是个低牌坚果，没有高牌出路，因此你在放入更多筹码之前要极其小心。
4. What do cautious players generally do when they have an ace-deuce low but do not have redraws? They almost never raise until all the cards are out.
谨慎的玩家怎么玩A2坚果低？
当他们没有redraws时，他们会一直等到牌出齐了才出手。（过于保守了，翻牌坚果低的玩法和你是否有抵消保护张有关，转牌你可以考虑和高牌合作把其他坚果低赶出底池）
5. What does this mean? If you are playing against a tight player, there is a possible nut low out, and he is in there calling, he usually has it.
这意味着什么？
当你在多人底池对抗一个紧手玩家，当牌面上有坚果低，而他仅仅是跟注，他通常有了坚果低。
6. Even though this approach works in the smaller games and in loose games at the higher limits, why does it fail in tight games? Because good players won't give tight players action.
尽管这招对小额游戏以及高额桌的松手游戏有效，为何对紧手游戏却失效了呢？
因为好的玩家不会对紧手玩家的下注进行支付。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-8-31 20:35
更新三节
AUTOMATIC PLAY
1. In a heads-up pot, suppose you flop two pair and it looks as though your opponent has a low draw. What should you do if a low card comes on the turn?
Check and call through the river.
1 单挑底池，假设你翻牌两对，你对手看似有个低牌听牌。如果转牌一张小牌出现，你该如何处理？
过牌，河牌跟注。
2. If you flop what looks like the best hand, especially heads up, what should you do?
Punish your opponent.
2 如果你翻牌坚果，特别是在单挑底池中，你应该做甚麽？
下注或者过牌加注来惩罚你的对手。
3. What if your opponent has you beat?
He usually will play back. There is very little slow-playing in Omaha eight-or-better.
3 万一你对手能击败你呢？
那他通常会反击，因为高低奥马哈中很少慢玩（都是通过一个个下注单位来盈利，慢玩通常意味着损失价值）
4. What if the pot is contested by many players?
Some of your opponents will slow-play a bit more.
4 如果是多人底池呢？
有些玩家可能会更多的慢玩。
HIGH VERSUS LOWIN THREE-HANDED POTS 三人底池中的高低手对抗
1. Suppose you have a high hand that is not going to be easily beat, and it appears that both of
your opponents have made good low hands or have good low draws. What should you do if one
of the low hands bets and you are next?
In this situation, you should just call.
假设你有一手不会轻易被击败的高手成牌，你有两个对手，显而易见他们都有好的低手牌或者听牌，如果你在两者中间，前位玩家下注你应该如何玩？
在这种情况下，你应该只是跟注。
2. Why should you just call?
Since you are going to split the pot, just calling will enable you to chop up the player behind
you.
为何你只是跟注？
因为既然你至少可以确保获取底池的一半，那么跟注可以保证你可以四分在你身后的那名未行动的玩家。
3. Suppose your high hand is weak and there is some chance that it can be beat?
In this case, it may be correct to drive out the third player.
假如你的高牌是脆弱的，会被反超，在这种情况下，加注赶走你身后的玩家有可能是正确的打法。
4. On the river in a three-handed pot, if a high hand bets, a low hand calls, and you are next with
the nut low, should you automatically raise?
No, as you have to consider how the person in the middle plays.
三人底池打到了河牌，如果高手下注，低手牌跟注，你有坚果低牌，是否应该自动加注呢？
不，你得考虑中间跟注的玩家的倾向（比如会不会弃掉坚果低）。
5. If he is a weak player, what should you do?
Go ahead and jam it.
如果他是个弱手，你应该如何玩？
和前位玩家合作挤压他。
6. What if he is a fairly good player?
You probably should just call.
如果他是好手呢？
你可能只是跟注会比较好。
LOOSE GAMES
1. What type of hands do you need in loose games?
Hands that can make the nuts with draws and redraws to even better hands.
你在松局中应该考虑那些类型的起手牌？
那些可以作成坚果且有再听牌的起手牌。
2. What about just having an ace-deuce?
It will split the low or get counterfeited too often.
如果只有A2？
A2只能赢得低池且容易被抵消。
3. Be specific about hands required in loose games.
You want hands that have the best low, or the best low draw with chances to back-door
flushes, regular nut flush draws, straight draws, or trips, or a wheel with a chance of a six-
or seven-high straight.
定义一下在松的游戏中，哪些手牌够好？
你需要坚果低，或者坚果低听牌带后门花，坚果花听牌、顺子听牌、三条或者轮子牌带6，7高的顺子。
4. Why does being suited add value to your hand?
Because you often can jam when you make the low if you also have a draw at the high side.
为何同花牌可以增加你手牌的牌力？
因为当你做成低牌后，如果你有听花的机会时你可以攻击这个底池。
5. What about the bigger hands, such as four high straight cards suited up?
These hands don't do well in this type of game unless the pot gets played short-handed, or
you can enter the pot cheaply.
4张高牌带花的高牌如何？
这些牌在松局中表现不够理想，除非是短手桌，或者你可以便宜的看翻牌。（O9中也是如此，KQJTds的价值很小）
6. Give some premium hands for loose games.
and
给出好的起手牌例子。
(A245 AK23 AA34 AA2x)ds
7. What about four small cards?
They can do very well, but they almost always require an ace to hit on the flop. You usually
want to get in cheap with this hand.
4张小轮子牌如何？
轮子牌很不错，不过最需要的还是翻牌能击中A（保证成为坚果低牌），当有2345时，你需要的是便宜的玩这手牌。
作者: the516876696 时间: 2017-8-31 23:16
楼主说的BIGO是5张Omaha高低？
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-9-1 02:40
是的，因为PS上已经开不起PLO8了，而博狗更是没有桌子，所以PLO8的线上cash桌基本已经消失了
作者: the516876696 时间: 2017-9-1 20:59
本帖最后由 the516876696 于 2017-9-1 21:06 编辑
多谢楼主的回答，不过我看了一下，也没几个人玩，还是小众啊
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-9-2 11:31
我描述的是一个趋势,PS上中低额度底池限注游戏的抽水太高,能开的起高额桌子的游戏是唯一选择
bigO的有50/100以上级别的桌子,虽然少,但是毕竟有的,然后你打个假钱试试,bigO这类游戏也是容易上头的,5张没那么好学
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-10-1 09:15
开学碰到教学评估，事多，今天继续更
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-10-1 10:08
MULTIWAY VERSUS SHORT-HANDED PLAY
长短桌的游戏区别
1. In a multiway pot, you need a very good hand. What about in short-handed pots?
It doesn't matter as much.
在长桌上，你应该玩相当好的起手牌。那么在短手桌上，你可以降低标准。
2. What are the most important factors in short-handed pots?
Your position and playing against weaker opponents over whom you have good control.
哪些是短桌上最重要的因素？
你的位置，尤其是你与可操控的弱玩家之间的位置。
3. Why are these factors important?
Because if a weak player can't make a low, he frequently folds, and unless he has a great
high hand, he gets scared by any card that comes out.
为何这些因素重要？
因为弱玩家不能做成坚果低，他将频繁的弃牌，除非他有相当好的高牌，否则任何一张惊悚牌出现，他都可能弃牌。
4. What happens to typical players?
They become accustomed to seeing many cinches in multiway pots and thus don't realize
that in heads-up pots they are not running into monster hands all the time.
这些典型的弱玩家会看到什么？
他们习惯在多人底池中看到怪兽牌出现（many cinches 可能是个习语吧，不太确定），因此在单挑底池中，他们没有意识到不可能每手都碰到哪些怪兽牌。
5. What does this mean?
You can bluff and maneuver your opponents when the pot is short-handed.
意味着什么呢？
当底池是短手池的情况，你可以大胆诈唬和操作里的对手
6. In a multiway pot, what does it mean when someone bets from an early position?
He usually has the nuts or something close to it.
在多人底池中，当有人翻后在前位下注说明什么？
他有着坚果牌或类坚果。
7. How does this affect your play?
You usually should get out, unless you also have a big hand.
你应该如何应对？
通常相对位置不好，你应该尽早弃牌，除非你有一手好的牌（而且需要redraw）
8. Suppose four or five players are in the pot and it is clear that they have fairly good hands. You
have a wrap-around hand with draws at both a good low and a good high, but these draws are not
for the nuts. What should you do?
In this situation, you usually should fold.
假设4，5名玩家在底池中，毫无疑问有人有坚果牌，你现在有一手有很多高手低手方向再听牌的手牌，但是没有nuts听牌，你需要做什么？
毫无疑问的一个fold
9. What if the pot is heads up and you hold the type of hand just described?
You can go ahead and jam.
如果单挑呢？
再加注，因为你出路很多
10. Example?
You start with and the flop comes If many players are
still in and it looks as though there may be a lot of action, you should fold. But if you areheads up and have a fairly big hand, you should play it as such, unless you are against a very tight player.
举例：A369ds，flop57Kss，击中了9花听牌和A3的低牌，如果很多玩家在池中，伴随着很多行动，这牌easy fold。如果你在单挑底池，你应该玩下去，除非你对抗的是一名翻前翻后都很紧的玩家。
11. What about a hand like A24Jss
This hand does OK heads up. But because of the redraw possibilities, it does very well if you expect many players.
As2d4hJs这手牌如何？
单挑的好牌，因为有很多redraw的可能性，对抗多名玩家由于有坚果优势，常常也是一首好牌。
12. What is the best hand to have in a heads-up pot?
The high hand. But you also would like to have a low draw, even if it is a poor one.
单挑底池中，什么是最好的牌？
高牌（因为可能低牌发不出来，概率不低），最好还要有个低牌听牌，那怕是5high的低牌听牌。
13. Why do you also want a low draw?
Because you might be sharing the high hand with your opponent.
为何你需要一个低牌听牌？
因为你可能会和对手平分大底池（通常是顺子）
14. Suppose you have what looks like a big hand but there are many possibilities the other way?
You must plan for these possibilities and determine the best way to deal with them.
假设你有一手大牌，而另一个方向有很多听牌呢？
你应该规划这些可能性，计算最优的处理方式。
15. Example?
In a two-handed pot, you start with
and the flop is Even though you have the nuts for high and no low is yet made, if your opponent plays back at you, you could be against the same high hand as you hold, plus a low draw. Consequently,
you may want to check and call on fourth street no matter what hits.
例子：在单挑底池中，你持AKJTss入池，flop 987r，见过你是Jhigh顺子翻牌的坚果，牌面上也没有低牌成牌，如果你遭遇反抗，多半是对手拿着坚果顺子和低牌听牌打算freeroll你，因此，你应该希望check-call转牌。
16. How do most people play when the game becomes five-handed or less?
Along the same lines as they normally play.
当玩5人以下的底池，玩家是如何调整的？
通常不做调整
17. What does this mean?
You have the opportunity to steal a lot of blinds.
那么这意味着
你应该有机会偷盲
再更4节
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-10-1 11:15
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2017-10-1 15:46 编辑
SCARE CARDS
惊悚牌
1. What does it mean when a player who has been just calling suddenly starts betting or raising
on the river?
Either he had the nuts the whole way or he just made the best hand.
一名玩家河牌前一直是跟注，到河牌突然下注或者加注？
他可能一直持有坚果牌或者到河牌做成的坚果牌。
2. What should you do in this situation?
You probably should go out, no matter how big the pot is. This is especially true if the last
card could have made the nuts for either high or low.
你应该如何处理？
你应该舍弃这个底池，不管底池多大。特别是当那张河牌使得新的坚果牌出现。
3. Example?
You start with On fourth street, the board is and the
last card is the If a player who has been just calling all along now bets, and the pot is subsequently raised by another player who isn't likely to be going low, you easily could be
against the nut flush as well as the nut low.
例子：你起手牌是KKQQss，转牌是K954ss，河牌来了张后门同花8，使得你的翻牌坚果KSET不再是坚果高牌了，如果一名一直在跟注的玩家开始下注，而另一名显然没有低牌的玩家随后加注，那么你可以简单判断出，你对抗的是同花以及坚果低牌。
4. Suppose the card that comes out is a scare card but not one that makes all the hands?
In this case, you don't have to check and give up all the bets on the end.
假设如果不是这么极端的情况，你可能还是单方的坚果牌。
在这种情况下，你不必像之前那样保守。
5. Example?
If the last card given in the previous example was the instead of the automatically throwing away your hand is wrong, even though someone may have made a straight with a seven-six.
例子：如果上述情况下，河牌是一张非同花牌面的8，那么自动丢掉你的Kset是不正确的，即便有人的76可能成了一个顺子。
6. How should you play in this spot? A lot of times you should go ahead and bet. If you get raised or the action becomes strong against you, then you can give it up.
这种情况如何玩？
大部分情况你还是应该主动下注，如果你被加注，然后你应该放弃。（不同意，这取决于位置，我刚刚打的一手bigo，如下
翻前我小盲位置QQ889ds补齐，5人池。
FlopQ47ss，有低牌听牌和同花听牌，我lead bet pot，跟注3人。TurnJ牌面两花色听牌，我继续bet pot，跟两家。
河牌是K，没有同花成牌和低牌成牌，这种情况不应该下注，简单过牌即可。实战中我SPR 1.1,BET-CALL，输了一个大底池）
GETTING COUNTERFEITED 被抵消
1. Do you get counterfeited frequently in Omaha eight-or-better? Yes.
你在O8中是否会经常被抵消？
没错
2. Example? Suppose you hold and the flop comes You have three aces, plus a wheel, which is the nut low. If there is a great deal of jamming on both the flop and fourth street, and a four or five hits on the river, you probably will be quartered by someone holding a six-high straight.
你手持AA45，flop是A23r，你翻牌坚果高和低，还有个葫芦的redraw，如果战斗持续到河牌，河牌出现了4或者5，那么通常情况不妙了，因为你有可能被6高的顺子给四分了。（这个例子举的有问题）
GETTING QUARTERED
被四分
1. Even though you don't get manyopportunities to make great plays in Omaha eight-or-better,when you have thechance to knock out someone who is drawing to the same hand that you are,shouldyou try to do so?
Yes.
如果能踢走能与你平分底池的玩家，何乐而不为之呢？
O8没有太多精彩的打法，我认为能份额实现最为关键，如果能拒绝对方的份额，那么就是相当成功的打法了。
2. What if you can't knock out this player?
You should throw away your hand.
如果已经打不走了，那么你应该考虑退出。
3. Example?
If you hold just an ace-deuce and thereis a lot of multiway action early, someone else also
has an ace-deuce. Consequently, youprobably should fold your hand.
举例：当你持A2在一个多人底池中，之前已经有很多行动表明其他人有A2了，由于你们持重复张，一旦中低牌对手会和你平分底池的低手牌部分，那么你最好的选择就是弃牌。
4. What is the exception to folding?
When you have other winning drawsworking in the hand.
什么情况下是例外？
当你另外一端也有胜张听牌或者保护张时，你也可以继续。
5. Is it difficult to knock out someonewho has an ace-deuce draw by raising into him?
Yes.
是否通过加注也难以打走一名A2玩家
是的。
6. But what if someone raises into you?
You probably should get out.
而其他玩家对你加注，你只有一个裸A2呢？
你可能应该弃牌咯。
7. What will typical players do?
They will call the raise cold and thenoften find themselves quartered.
通常情况下玩家会如何处理应对？
他们会coldcall加注并发现他们在中低牌的情况下被对手四分。
PLAYING AGAINST STEAMERS 如何对抗STEAMERS玩家
1. What effect do the tough beats inOmaha eight-or-better have on some players?
The beats turn some players intosteamers.
在O8中，强硬的连续打击一名玩家会有什么效果？
可能会导致玩家变身蒸汽机玩家。
2. How will the steamers play?
They will steam early in the hand.
上头的玩家怎么玩？
他们会在每手牌想通过翻前下注和cbet想夺下底池。
3. What about late in the hand?
They usually won't be raising or puttinga lot of action in the pot because they are still aware that it is too easy tolook at a cinch hand.
那么在一手牌的后期呢？
通常而言，他们不会在底池中弄出特别大的动作，因为他们还没有完全失去理智。
4. When someone is steaming, do you wantto isolate him?
Not usually.
当你上家每把都加注入池，你是否应该隔离他？
不必。我尝试在PLO8/BIGO中利用位置隔离对手，在低级别用处不大，还是可以不受印象去玩你的牌。高级别的话就看你对后面玩家的阅读吧，当手持高手牌的情况下尽然隔离。
5. Why not?
Because in Omaha eight-or-better, whathurts a weak hand the most is having many players
against it.
为何不用？
因为在O8中，对持弱牌进出的玩家伤害最大的不是单挑，而是多人锅。
6. What will isolating an opponent do?
It will make his hand a lot closer invalue to your hand.
隔离出一名玩家会怎么样？
会导致他和你手牌之间份额的接近，而O8位置对于实现胜率印象不大，所以你们其实比你想象中要更接近。
7. When is this particularly true?
When you hold a hand that can standmultiway action.
是在什么时候特别正确？
当你手持一手牌可以承受多路行动，那么你应该更倾向于玩多人底池，比如当你的A2有抵消张的时候。
8. What if you have strictly a highhand?
Then you might be better off trying toisolate the steamer.
上面已经讨论过，当你的高手牌不错的情况下，应该做隔离。
9. Can you get into trouble in thisspot?
Yes. In loose games, other playersusually will call behind you.
你是否会陷入困境？
是的，在松桌中，其他玩家会冷跟你的3bet入池。
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-11-15 16:05
继续更新一节
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-11-15 18:49
PLAYING AGAINST TIGHT, SOLID PLAYERS
如何对抗难缠的对手
1. What must you do in this game?
Get a line on your opponents. You must observe the type of hands they play and how they
play them.
1 在这种局里你应该如何游戏？
与你的对手保持一致，你应该观察他们游戏的手牌以及游戏方式。
2. What type of hands do some people play?
Low hands, plus a few premium high hands.
2 一些玩家会玩哪类手牌？
低牌，加上一些好的高牌。
3. How do you play against these players if only one low card comes on the flop?
You frequently can either bluff them out or beat them with a weak high hand.
3 当一张低牌出现在翻牌上，你应该如何对抗这类玩家？
你可以频繁诈唬下注或者用弱的高牌进行阻击。
4. Is position important?
Yes. Some players are very tight in early position but loosen up if they can come in late.
4 位置重要吗？
是的，有些玩家会在前位玩的十分紧，如果在后位会松下来。
5. What is the best way to save money?
Don't give any action to those players who play very tight and very solid.
5 省钱的最佳方式？
对抗那些玩的紧的玩家，最好不要给他们行动以支付。
6. What if the pot is large and one of these tight, solid players comes out betting or raising, or he
is in there on a jammed hand?
He almost always has the nuts for low and usually has some kind of nut draw for the high side.
6 当底池变大，一个紧的玩家开始下注或者加注，他通常手持什么底牌呢？
通常情况下，他有坚果低，同时在高端有坚果听牌。
7. What does this mean?
It doesn't pay to stay in these pots.
7 这说明什么？
你没有坚果牌就没有必要留在这种底池中。
8. How do you spot this type of player?
He is not in many pots, he does not raise very often, and he almost always shows the nuts
on the end.
8 你如何定位这类玩家？
他不会出现在很多底池中，他也不会经常加注，然后他通常会展示一手坚果牌。
9. What advantage do you have against these players?
You usually will know where they stand.
9 你对抗这类玩家的优势在于？
你经常能够读出他们的位置。
10. Where do you want these players seated?
To your right.
10 你希望这些玩家坐在那儿？
你的上家。
11. Why?
Because you will know that when they enter the pot, you should go out with all but your
very best hands.
11 为何？
因为只要观察他们的行动，你就能知道接下来你应该如何玩。
12. What if three or four of these tight players happen to be sitting in a row?
You probably would prefer to have them across from you.
12 如果三四个紧的玩家碰巧坐一排？
你应该更喜欢他们坐你对面。
13. Why?
Because if they are situated directly on your right, you probably will find yourself playing
many hands out of position with the looser players on your left.
13 为何？
因为如果他们都坐在你右手边，你只能选择在松手玩家的左手边玩牌，这通常都是在不利位置。
14. What is another advantage to having tight, unimaginative players on your right?
As the game becomes short-handed, they won't adjust.
14 你上家坐着一个又紧又没有想象力的玩家，还有什么优势？
当游戏变成短桌，通常他不会进行调整。
15. What will this enable you to do?
To play many hands against the blinds.
15 变短桌你应该如何玩？
多和盲注玩。
16. What about when you are in the blind?
Tight players will be in the attack position but will do very little stealing.
16 当你是盲注，你应该如何对抗？
紧的差玩家位置有利，但是翻前不会做太多的偷盲。
17. What if one of them raises?
You won't have to defend, as he will have a premium hand.
17 如果他们加注？
你就可以放弃抵抗，因为他们通常有一手好牌。
18. What if the little blind just calls and he is a tight, solid player?
You can raise and frequently outplay him.
18 小盲玩家平跟入池，他是紧手？
你应该频繁的加注他。
19. What if a tight, solid player is on your left?
You ordinarily could steal the blind from him.
19 如果这类玩家在你下家？
你应该经常的偷取他的盲注。
20. What is the problem with this in Omaha eight-or-better?
Unless the game is very tight, it seldom happens that you are on the button and no one else
comes in.
20 在O8中这有什么问题？
除非游戏十分的紧，否则很少你会正好处于按钮位，而前面的玩家都弃牌。（因此你无法单独对抗盲注玩家）
作者: rahj 时间: 2017-11-15 19:03
PLAYING STYLE
游戏方式
1. If you are the type of player who prefers to play tight and who makes good laydowns, what should your strategy be?
To just call most of the time.
1 如果你是那种玩的紧可以做好的弃牌的玩家，你的策略应该是？
大部分时间都做跟注。（因为你不会overplay你的翻牌坚果，因此默默跟注可以隐藏你的牌力并得到支付）
2. What if you are playing in a game where a lot of the pots are raised early?
Many of your laydowns will be wrong.
如果你在玩一局游戏，大部分底池在翻牌前都被加注再加注？
你的很多弃牌都是错误的。
3. What if you are a player who usually knows where he stands?
It doesn't hurt to build the pots and lock your opponents into their hands.
3 如果你是个读牌读人都不错的玩家？
那么你做大底池并锁定对手手牌会比较有利。
4. What if you tend to call too much?
You are better off building the pots early. You also should try to call less.
4 如果你倾向于跟注站？
你最好提前做大底池，并且你应该少跟注。
5. What if you are a timid, passive player who wants to play only the nuts?
You probably should push your hands more than you normally do.
5 如果你胆小，被动，只玩坚果牌？
你应该比平常情况下多做挤压。
6. What if you are a weak player who plays too loose and calls too much?
You shouldn't be playing Omaha eight-or-better.
6 如果你是一名松弱玩家？
这游戏不适合你。
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-1-3 21:45
这周将更新完毕，再附上一段有限注扑克理论的心得体会
作者: snowsnow 时间: 2018-1-3 23:34
本帖最后由 snowsnow 于 2018-1-3 23:36 编辑
打Razz 也可以赚几百万。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RziuGe8PlFM
冷门也有搞。
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-1-4 22:56
那你打的百得之呢？
作者: snowsnow 时间: 2018-1-6 18:07
我基本没打过badugi呀。
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-1-6 18:18
可你id是snowsnow呀，难道88是你的lucy card？
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-1-7 09:33
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2018-1-7 11:38 编辑
刚发现一个翻译pdf文档的好法子，word打开，直接编辑翻译，还能看到图片，比之前的方法又快又便捷
READINGHANDS 1. What is the most common way to readhands?
如何去读牌？
Analyze the meaning of an opponent'scheck, bet, or raise, and then consider the plays he has made throughout thehand, along with the exposed cards, to come to a determination about his hand.
通过分析对手行动背后的意义，通过全局分析他玩一手牌的方式，及已知的牌，汇总来推测出他的底牌
2. Is it a mistake to put an opponent ona hand early and to stick with your initial conclusion?
读死一手牌并坚持你最初的判断是否是错的？
Yes.
是的
3. Suppose that before the flop, anopponent calls after you raise. On the flop, two small cards
appear, as well as two suited cards, andhe raises after you bet. An offsuit eight hits on the turn,
but when you check, he also checks. Whatis a likely hand for him?
假设翻牌前，对手平跟你的加注。翻牌，两小张为同色baby，你cbet后他加注。转牌掉非同花的那张8，
你过牌，他也过牌，那么他是什么牌？
A flush draw.
同花听牌，他如果是同花听（坚果同花）加准坚果低牌成牌，他都会持续下注。
4. What if a flush card comes on theend?
如果河牌完成了同花听牌？
You should not bet into your opponent.
你不应该主动下注赌你对手没有同花牌。
5. What if the flush card does not hiton the river?
如果河牌没有完成同花听牌？
You might want to check and try toinduce a bluff.
由于对手没有坚果低，当你有坚果低时主动下注，如果你有低牌成牌而不是坚果低，高牌有一定的牌力（如顶两对），过牌做诱导诈唬即可。
6. But what if you have only a low madeand cannot beat a weak high?
如果你有低牌成牌，但是高牌很差，不能scoop底池？
You may want to bet since there is a reasonablechance that you can pick up the whole pot.
你应该主动下注打走对方来获得全部底池。
7. In practice, what should you try todetermine?
事实上，你需要如何判断你对手的手牌？
Whether your opponent has a bad hand, amediocre hand, a good hand, or a great hand.
是否你对手有一手差牌，中等牌，好牌或是坚果牌。
8. If an opponent bets on the end, whattype of hand is he unlikely to have?
如果对手河牌下注，那种底牌他最不可能持有？
A mediocre hand.
一手中等牌
9. What is a complementary way to readhands?
还有什么方法可以读牌？
To work backward.
倒推法。
10. Suppose someone cold calls a raiseand a reraise before the flop, and the flop comes
The fourth-street card is the
and your opponent is able to raise onfourth street. What is his
probable hand?
假定有人冷跟翻前加注以及3bet，翻牌AJ9，转牌6彩虹，此人加注转牌，他可能持有什么牌？
A set of aces. It does not seem possiblethat this player would have called on the flop if he
had something like a three-card low or abig pair smaller than aces before the flop.
这个牌面的坚果是暗三A，如果对手只是3张低牌或者盖帽对，那么翻牌他是跟不动一个下注的（A极有可能在翻牌前3bet玩家手中）
11. Suppose on fourth street that theboard is J28c7c
The pot is multiway, and a player
who called the bet on the flop nowraises. Does this person just have the nut low?
假设转牌的牌面是J287，多人底池，有个翻牌跟注的玩家加注底池，是否他仅仅有坚果低？
No, even though it is likely that hestarted with an ace-trey.
不一定，但是他有A3的可能性很大（转牌还完成了顺子听牌，因此多人底池玩9T的可能性也存在，不过转牌坚果高不宜过猛，来低牌成牌都跟进来ev更大）
12. Why is that?
Since the pot is being contestedmultiway, he would be afraid that he might get quartered.
因为底池还有其他玩家在，A3如果不带续听可能被其他有A3的玩家四分，所以他更希望搭便车，等更多人进来
13. What about three of a kind?
那么三条呢？
He is unlikely to have trips, as hewould not have raised when the straight card hit.
如果他没好的低牌，拿暗三加注顺面就是自杀
14. What does this player most likelyhave?
因此这个玩家最可能持有一手什么牌？
The nut low and a draw at the nut flush.
坚果低加坚果同花听牌/77/87/etc
15. When you have reduced youropponent's possible hands to a limited number, what do you
use to determine what he probably holds?
当你消减你对手手持牌的组合，你是如果来读出他最可能手持牌的
Mathematics.
数学
16. Suppose an extremely loose andaggressive opponent just calls before the flop. Two high
cards flop — which gives you top set —you bet and he calls. On fourth street, an ace hits, which
could make a straight, and this playerbets into you. What should you do?
假定一个极其松凶的玩家翻牌前跟注，两高张的翻牌面，你拿到顶set，你下注他跟注，转牌掉一张A，可以组成broadway大顺
这个玩家下注，你应该如何玩？
Raise, as he probably has aces up.
加注，他有可能有一对A（不确定）
17. Why is that?
Because he is not likely to have madethree aces or he would have raised before the flop.
因为他有AA不会不翻前加注（对上所有对手，如果你在后位加注，那他肯定不会有AA，除非是AA23ds这种超级好牌）
18. What if you get reraised, meaningthat you probably are against a straight?
如果你被反加，是否意味着你对上了顺子？
You have a lot of outs to improve.
你有8-10个坚果高的outs反超（如果有坚果低听牌，那么干净的outs更多）
19. What if your opponent is tighter andmore conservative?
如果你的对手紧且保守呢？
In this case, you should just call.
那么你就不应该加注，平跟即可。
20. Suppose you start with
You raise, and an opponent behind you
reraises. The flop comes king high. Youcheck and your opponent bets. What should you do?
假定你拿AKTT开池，后位玩家加注你。翻牌是K high，你过牌，对手下注，你该如何？
If you think your opponent is as likelyto have a hand like ace-deuce-trey as he is to have a
pair of aces, you should at least call.
如果你认为对手持有一手如A23这样的牌与持有AA这种牌的可能性一样大，那么你应该跟注。
21. What is your play if an ace hits ona later street and your opponent bets again?
如果对手在转牌掉A的情况下继续下注呢？
Your play is to raise if you know thisopponent would still bet if he had only two aces.
如果这个对手在A一对的情况下也这样下注，那么加注（如果你没有低牌成牌，在这手牌是不推荐这么玩的）
22. What is another factor in readinghands and deciding how to play your own hand?
读牌及决策的另一个因素是？
The number of players in the pot.
留在底池的玩家人数
23. How do players tend to play theirhands in multiway pots?
如果多人底池，玩家会怎么玩他们的牌？
Much more straightforwardly.
更加直白
24. When else do they play in a morestraightforward manner?
他们何时会这么直白的玩牌？
When several players are yet to act.
当绝对/相对位置不好，身后有多个其他玩家还没有行动时
1. What is meant by "thepsychology of poker"?
Getting into your opponents' heads,analyzing how they think, figuring out what they think you think, and evendetermining what they think you think they think.
何谓扑克的心理学？
钻进对手脑子里，分析他们的思维层次（think level巴拉巴拉）
2. If you try to steal before theflop and are reraised by a strong opponent who knows you wouldattempt to stealin this position, what may be the correct play for you?
To raise back and then to bet on fourthand fifth streets.
如果你翻牌前偷池，好手认定你此时在偷池而加注你，你应该如何玩
加注回去，翻牌转牌持续开火（我只会考虑平跟，然后高牌翻牌面两枪，这样更有说服力，毕竟他知道你知道他会反偷，反反偷成功率不会太高）
3. Would you make this playagainst a weak player?
No.
这招应该用在弱手身上吗？
绝不
4. When an opponent bets in asituation where he is sure that you are going to call, is hebluffing?
No.
当一名对手下注，他确信你在这种情况下会跟注，他是否可能在咋呼？
对抗有历史的玩家时，我认为如果是底池限注和无限注，答案是yes，有限注的O8，我认为差手还是可能有绝望的诈唬
5. Example?
If you have been betting all the way, youbet again after all the cards are out, and a player raises you, he is notbluffing.
例子：当你下注下注下注，河牌你还是下注而对手加注，他不可能是咋呼（底池那么大，一路示强，他很可能有高牌坚果（而且不是那种会被平分底池的坚果顺子））
6. Do players generally raise as abluff on fourth street?
No. However, tough players will raise onfourth street with a mediocre hand that has some potential to become a verystrong hand.
是否玩家会经常在转牌下注咋呼？
不会，但紧手玩家通常会考虑在转牌用双向中等牌做加注，打走后位拿更好低牌的玩家，避免被两家高低通吃，但前提是有河牌坚果的潜力（或者scoop）
7. When might your opponent bebluffing?
When there appears to be a good chancethat you will fold.
合适的咋呼时机？
你有足够弃牌率的场合
8. Give an example.
Suppose that no one bets on fourth street,a small pair and two high cards are on board, and another small card hits onthe river. If one of your opponents now bets, and he is the type of player whowould try to pick up the pot with nothing, it may be correct for you to call orraise with a weak hand.
转牌没人下注，两张高牌以及小对子的牌面，河牌掉了另一张小牌，如果一个玩家下注，他喜欢偷没人要的底池，那么你用弱牌做加注是可行的。
9. In deciding whether to bet,what else is important to consider?
What your opponent thinks you have.
下注的另一个考量是你对手认为你有什么牌。
10. If your opponent suspects a strong hand, what should you do?
Bluff more.
如果对手经常怀疑你有强牌，那么你应该诈唬下注更多
11. Give an example.
You raise on the flop, which shows twosuited cards and only one small card, and a blank hits on fourth street. If youcheck on fourth street but bet again on the river when a third suited cardlands, it is difficult for many of your opponents to call with less than aflush. So bet your weaker hands in this spot.
举例：你加注翻牌，两同花高张以一小牌，转牌空白你过牌，河牌完成同花时，你可以大胆下注，因为你更像有一手同花牌，而对手没有同花是不会跟注你的。
12. What if your opponent suspects that you are weak?
Don't try to bluff, but bet your fairhands for value.
如果对手怀疑你有弱牌，那么就不要诈唬，用你的好牌下注来获取价值。
13. Example?
If both you and your opponent checked onfourth street, you frequently can bet one big pair on the end for value.
举例：如果你和对手过牌转牌，你在河牌可以频繁的下注你的大对子来获取价值
14. Should you ever intentionally make an incorrect play?
Yes.
莫非你经常故意不按常理出牌？是的
15. Why?
Because you are trying to affect thethinking of your opponents for future hands.
因为你想通过交战历史来误导对手对你的读牌
16. Give an example.
Before the flop, you occasionally canreraise a late-position player, who may be on a steal, when you hold somethinglike deuce-trey for low and two face cards.
举例说明，翻牌前你偶尔反加一个可能在偷底的后位玩家，当你手持如KK23这种牌时
17. What kind of players do these types of plays work well against?
Players who are good enough to try to take advantage of their new-foundknowledge, but who are not good enough to realize that you know this.
这章介绍的招数对抗那些玩家会比较好用？
还没足够好到认清你已识破他们的招数的二级玩家（也就是大部分完整看完这个帖子的玩家）
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-1-7 11:47
已翻译完所有的Q&A，接下来是校正和翻译风格的调整，提高可读性
关于有限注扑克博弈论与实战理论的心得体会我有空写写，
PS：最近想做2016年wsop #event 55 5万买入PPC的解说
请做过解说的朋友赐教，我目前的技术方案是找高清视频的下载，然后打算用kinect做扣像
如果实在找不到我就用youtube的视频来做，然后用Loom来录制
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-2-6 21:09
太冷了,解说暂时搁置,先弄完校正吧
作者: 小胖 时间: 2018-2-11 10:03
内容是很不错的，就是看着一大堆不隔行，有点头晕。
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-2-11 11:28
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2018-2-11 11:30 编辑
广州的胖子，你好，广州的瘦子收到，我回头编辑一下
作者: rahj 时间: 2018-2-11 21:44
弄错了，不好意思
作者: kgb_yuanzhiyou 时间: 2022-5-3 10:57
楼主， 你这里说的老邱 是David chiu?
作者: rahj 时间: 2022-5-3 17:22
不用猜,就是老邱了
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-16 17:20
老墙说要恰饭,要玩omaha hi/lo,如果是plo8还真不适合恰饭,估计他也不会玩加拿大没啥桌子的O8
不知道bigO加拿大能开起多少桌子,不过如果要学,不如还是学底池限注吧
慢慢翻译一篇Steve Badger的Pot Limit Omaha High-Low Split Three Key PLO/8 Concepts
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-16 20:23
“He who accounts all things easy will have many difficulties.”
-- Lao-Tse
凡事从容的人，必有许多难处,这谷歌翻译的不比我本人强?
我猜这句话在道德经的道经中,不过原文我不熟悉
这里accounts似乎应该当视作解释
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-16 20:44
这篇文章的精华在于将PLO8的下注和homerun做类比
我不懂homerun,就百度了下本垒打
一垒：与自己的恋人牵手或拥抱这种较为亲密的肢体接触。二垒：与恋人接吻或更亲密的接触。三垒：爱抚等非常亲密的接触。本垒：与恋人发生XX，往往有“本垒打”的手法，是借用棒球术语。垒用来区分与恋人的恋爱“进度”的标记。
这篇文章指出,PLO8就是一个本垒打的游戏,不能蹭一蹭就放过
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-17 17:31
文章有点罗嗦,不全文翻译了,做个摘要吧
这牌文章讲的是PLO8最重要的3个概念,但是正文中一共写了5个
我做了下聚类
多条街下注能力(同花的价值)=可玩性 freeroll 3/4
简单说就是大注大锅,底池建立,实践起来超复杂,贴一段我自己的回复吧(看2,就知道这个不是一日之功)
朱哥通过这几个月的学习和实战，对之前这两个问题有了初步的认识
1 有抵消保护的坚果低的目标应该是freeroll对手的坚果低，因此快打是大部分时候的选择尤其对手紧弱松弱，需要主动造池。
2 对于控池和位置有了一些量化的认识，但是感触更深的是利用freeroll打弃牌率，这个也是在单挑底池才能遇到的。
要说清楚这个问题需要结合session分析,没错是session,单单的手牌review意义不大,必须跳进打牌的那个场景中去做回顾,才有最大的价值,所以我打算找博狗上 16年 10月13,10月26和11月24三天的三个session来复盘说明.
ego 精力不足,BTW我那时候也起太早了吧,这恋爱谈的
我记忆中绝对打不赢的pl25级别,现在算上40%的返水,明显是我自己越级去打
我在9max的战绩不如6max的原因主要和我在满员桌后位和盲位的差劲表现有关
但是正好是这个主题的一个反面教材
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-18 00:28
第一个session回顾完毕
16年 10月13日,满员桌
名为打渔的悲哀
我在PL5/10的战绩是最差的,和这个session有莫大的关联
整个session我想可以以鱼在我在,鱼走鱼又来分为前后两段
简述下故事背景,我在博狗开了4桌hud采集数据,锁定了一条whale,然后特地坐在他的下家,目标就是这条鱼
打完这个session后,桌上有两条鲸鱼的故事,主线应该是我和他的相杀相爱
位置很好,网络也应该不错(没有sitout post Blind就算网络不错,后来的移动网络就更差了)
第一手还真是我和鱼两哥俩,这里我观察到鱼的一个重要的下注模式就是多人底池他的donk 1/2和下一条街的pot bet,让我想起了后面拿的那首A3KQds,复盘时让我气不打一处来
但是我忽视了起手牌质量,为了对抗鱼玩家玩了一些可玩性太差的手牌,比如
在BTN位置,4个玩家进来的情况下玩了2337,除了上家鱼,其他进来的虽然松还算规矩
3个A都出来了,翻牌桌面上有A的概率太小,即便是打渔,也应该考虑起手牌的可玩性
比较离谱的还有一首MP的446Kds,这种小对子很难用来拿价值,根本不能打大锅,而且不知道我当时可是否注意到
大鱼的筹码掉到26.3bb,这手446K入池反映我没拿到牌的焦虑
果不其然随后两手牌让我掉坑里了
第一手我在UTG拿3566 limp in,显然忘记了绝对不应该在limp in with weak hand at UTG的原则
44 66这种小对子在PLO8中即便是set也不可能是second set+无顺/无低牌
基本是没有什么价值的起手,第二就是这个BB大鱼玩家筹码掉到14bb,如果他有高牌应该会raise pre
果不其然,他拿着KK72 sqz,然后我居然跟入了,这手牌我丢了个15bb的锅,更重要的是鱼走了!
于是我下一手果真就tilt,犯了新手才会打错,拿着77和QQ在Q73r打光,我的低牌3还被抵消了
现在回顾这手牌,line上有很大问题,主要是翻前不该激进
应该是check pre, 或者bet fold to pot raise at flop,因为上一手BB下桌,这手牌是没有小盲的
锅里没多少死钱,BTN主动放钱进来应该是双向牌,这么干的flop,还是应该尊重BTN的加注
即便这只是一手BVB,但是BTN flop加注应该是有货的,我在完全没有低牌听牌的情况下,这手牌应该保守点
BTN如果打个pot raise我估计还能跑,结果他打了58%,我反而陷进去了
他不是拿着A2Qx,这手牌他拿的是QQA6,把我给一锅炖了
下一手牌鱼回来了,我拿JJ做成了4条,他用一对K在河牌支付了半池的下注
我观察过在博狗打的所有级别绝大部分对手的下注量是有问题的,绝大部分情况下PLO8底池下注是
最理想的选择,毕竟很多3/4s的情况下河牌是需要做pot bet去榨取价值的
Steve的文章中指出,遇到这种鱼玩家,你手持一手可以freeroll他的手牌,不必试图在河牌bluff out
应该尝试更早就把他打套池,因为你不知道他什么时候就输光走人了
奥马哈版面有一篇文章,大概是说你手上有500bb手握AAxx,有条鱼要和你打一大锅,你愿不愿意翻前就和他allin
看到下面有网友跟帖说要走更好的机会我就笑了,这把牌有1000bb我也愿意打光
pro的优势很小,很多"专家"总是高估自己的优势
下面两手我就犯了这个错误
第一手鱼+2 pot open,我拿A3KQds just call,我有A花,这手牌理想的玩法应该是3bet隔离为主
不然就让后位拿A2的玩家太便宜的进来看翻牌的,实战中我是call,然后翻后4人底池
翻牌68T,有两张牌是我A花的黑色,大鱼做了1/2的cbet,实战中我是call的
这里我还是犯错了,因为4人池,我相对位置最差,如果让其他玩家留在池中,我转牌十分被动
而这手牌,我双向都有听牌,但是低牌我不是坚果听牌,我需要打走其他玩家和大鱼单挑
我手上的A花听牌加上A3低牌听牌的相对牌力是支持我打光他的65bb后手
然后后位BTN也call,转牌掉了T,大鱼做了一个pot bet
这里如果只有我一个玩家,我会rasie 他,但是后面还有一个玩家的情况下
我害怕高牌已经听死,所以不敢call,这里也是翻前埋下的祸根,你想知道鱼是什么牌这么打?
我只能告诉你他在3人池转牌领先了
让人想不到的是BTN也走了,他的赔率太好了,我弃牌后才发现他只剩17bb,这里我打会call allin的
大鱼不会拿66 88 tt open raise进来,这里他的68两对被淹没,8T才make sense
我不怀疑他可能拿8T,但是他有很多弱的双向牌,我有A3低牌听牌,打边池我的胜率应该能弥补我主池的损失
第一手牌就发现他有一种特定的下注模式,前一条街bet 1/2,在牌面没有改变的情况下pot bet偷池
下一手我拿A2K8ss随着大鱼limp in
这手牌我没有A花, plo8中K花是很难做大锅的,因为花不会split,但是K花会被A花压制
翻出8h4s5s,我听K花,坚果低,UTG玩家做了1个大盲的下注
上家跟注,我扣动扳机,pot,BTN 进来,这里他肯定不是67,因为这里有听花面,但应该不会有人在BTN玩6789
这里他大概率是A2,可能有高对子,但是我这里的对8还是不错的,仅限于单挑
BTN的筹码量是27.5bb,跟注,所以他不是我关注的重点
UTG弃牌后,鱼进来了,三人看转牌
转牌掉个Jc,空白张,我瞄了BTN的后手,打了个17.5bb,中规中据的半池,两家跟入
河牌掉了个5d,上家过牌,我也过牌
这里我打的太臭了,下家很明显的A2,我这里只能拿1/4的主池,这张8未必比上家好
但是他连续过牌两条街,高牌牌力应该也不怎么样,而且他不会有A2
这里这张河牌5对我而言很理想,我是否应该扣下扳机
我对上家的阅读虽然只有12手牌,但是是否真能如我所预料,他没有raise入池就一定没有A?
当然这手牌我allin他应该不会接,不过我还是想把牌谱放上来大家讨论一下
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Wednesday, October 12, 07:14:11 ET 2016
Table 11078384 9max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $14.77 USD ) - VPIP: 41, PFR: 5, 3B: 11, AF: 1.0, Hands: 116
Seat 3: Player3 ( $1.73 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 93
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.85 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.1, Hands: 199
Seat 5: Player5 ( $6.51 USD ) - VPIP: 60, PFR: 5, 3B: 1, AF: 1.4, Hands: 194
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.80 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 5, 3B: 1, AF: 1.5, Hands: 198
Seat 7: Player7 ( $26.57 USD ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 208
Seat 8: Player7+1 ( $9.21 USD ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 208
Seat 9: Hero ( $11.07 USD ) - VPIP: 42, PFR: 15, 3B: 10, AF: 2.4, Hands: 240
Player5 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad 2s Ks 8c ]
Player7 calls [$0.10 USD]
Player7+1 calls [$0.10 USD]
Hero calls [$0.10 USD]
Player1 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$0.10 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.05 USD]
Player6 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 4s, 5s ]
Player5 checks
Player6 checks
Player7 bets [$0.10 USD]
Player7+1 calls [$0.10 USD]
Hero raises [$1.00 USD]
Player4 calls [$1.00 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player7+1 calls [$0.90 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Player7+1 checks
Hero bets [$1.75 USD]
Player4 calls [$1.75 USD]
Player7+1 calls [$1.75 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Player7+1 checks
Hero checks
Hero shows [Ad, 2s Ks 8c ]
Player7 shows [8d, 6c 2d 2c ]
Player6 shows [Th, Jd Qd 6s ]
Player4 shows [2h, Kd Ac Js ]
Player5 shows [Ah, 3c 9d 7h ]
Player3 shows [9h, 4d 6h Qs ]
Player1 shows [6d, Qh 3h 4c ]
Player7+1 shows [8s, 9s 4h Kc ]
Player4 wins $6.39 USD from main pot
Hero wins $2.12 USD from main pot
下一手牌 我拿了K678跟入了BTN的2bb raise进来,纪律性太差,烂牌就是烂牌,多个K花一样的烂
即便上家也进池,我就是不应该玩它
这里可以看到我耐心一点点的流逝,最后BTN河牌做了0.58 pot的下注,让我想起了那首77 VS QQ
对,没错,还是同一个玩家,看来0.58的下注和加注是他价值的模式
可惜这里他应该是想做个夹击,让鱼call进来,没想到鱼fold了,前位和他拿重复牌也被打走
这里也看出PLO8游戏中位置的重要性,相对来说,我PLO玩的比较顺手,不像高低,花了太多时间自己琢磨
结果上去还是被人打的屁滚尿流
再说输的两个大锅
我又拿A589ss进池,这手牌在小盲位置太边缘,我不应该去玩它,特别是在已经有3个玩家补一个大盲进来的情况下
我这手牌翻前胜率就6%
我刚学牌打线下的时候,不会犯这种错,所以PLO8对手牌的认识确实比较复杂
主要是我应该先玩O8,再去打PLO8,我现在也不清楚为啥没去玩O8
老大的O8入门教材太给力了,我通过限注游戏过渡到底池限注,相信会相对顺利一些
闲话不说了
翻牌597 两张方片和我Ad没关系,一路过牌没人偷,转牌出来方片2
我想这是个孤儿底池吧,我小盲打这么紧进来的,范围肯定比你们都强
所以我把自己当A花,一个pot下去,再见本垒打
call了两家,鱼raise一个pot,中牌了,现在我肯定能读出他喜欢玩高牌,这里大概率是中花了
但是当时脑子里不知道怎么想的,我call了30bb的raise,真是鱼call(我这里如果是想听公对去打鱼,那真应该下桌)
这里打光或许都比call EV高,下家马上call了,其实我知道这里3bet对下家有一定的弃牌率
河牌是张4,万念俱灰过牌,A3下家也过牌,然后A3 call了鱼的shove
这里可以看到A3这个玩家打的不好,PLO8低额局,河牌中了轮子,即便桌面有花,这里还是应该主动下注
因为他和鱼的后手差不多,都不到30%的底池,也是典型的不看自己筹码的小额玩家
这里虽然锅里有1.5刀的死钱,我偷不着就应该放弃,不应该去看河牌
因为这种跟注站,他没有15刀后手的情况下,我两对高牌听葫芦是不划算的,毕竟我低牌太弱
实战中我的低牌就比鱼好一点点,我是8A,他是84
这手牌即便是我过牌他打0.5,这里的0.5我觉得也不应该跟,因为给下家3个玩家好的赔率了
下一手牌是这个session的最后一手,我输光下桌了
翻前LJ好玩家和CO大鱼limp in,我手持A35Kss raise,这里我的是AdKd,中花后的赔付不好,所以当时我就想打点弃牌率,控制下底池人数,可惜连BB也进来了,可以看到那个时候我形象已经不好了
换现在可能拿ds才raise pot,这手牌因为前面的历史,我会打的更小心,因为鱼还有7刀,我比鱼好少一点
翻牌是J68r,BB donk pot,两家fold
这里BB肯定是有牌力的,因为除鱼以外,不利位置能pot bluff的玩家就我(所以我也是鱼)
我这里做了mini raise,味道太差,还不如pot raise
,因为有效筹码太少了
不过现在我会想想,这里对方的牌力主要集中在高牌,并不是所有玩家的两对都会走bet fold
这里我打弃牌率应该是不够的,我们不用看hand vs hand的equity曲线
想想,这里我们低张有保护站,转牌除了pairup的6,8,其他6张低牌我们都成了低,可以打光
但是,我们没有透视眼,不知道对手低牌的情况下,这里投入20bb去float
必须在出顺面的转牌,对手过牌的情况下pot bet打走对方,才能实现收支平衡
可是如果是我在有低牌听牌,高牌也是有一定实力的情况下,转牌更倾向于主动下注而不是过牌
所以这里有些矛盾,当时session run的不理想的情况下,应该相信牌局的flow
我在鱼的下家,筹码自然会更多的流到我口袋里,谨防鱼上家的深筹码即可
实战中对手选择打光,他翻出JJQT的手牌,这种纯高张不知道有啥底气能跟入翻前的底池加注
估计对手也在打渔吧
翻牌比较理想,这手牌转牌也不容易打走(如果是这个玩家,他已经commit了)
仅仅落后A457,估计他也没考虑,就是觉得顶set没花没顺,肯定有优势吧
现在状态好的时候,如果我对他比较深的阅读应该跟注打转牌
当时注意力都放在上家身上,加上怒气攻心,这手牌大概率只能拿下半个底池
还有可能被对手1/4,应该果断放弃,然后补码
好像这个session输掉大鱼走后的那手牌后我就不是深筹码了,也没有讲成一些pot control/buildup的技巧
回顾session的好处很多,对当时对局的心态会有更多的认知,也知道一手牌的处理后面的一些想法
这次的教训就是打渔不成反变鱼,以前不知道鲸鱼是啥意思
我和上家这种一直在喷筹码的鱼自然就是别人的目标,只是我还不自知,以为自己是打渔人
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-18 09:32
我翻到邮箱里和博狗客服的回复邮件
注销帐号前曾经打算和ps一样打包手牌记录（from 8/11 2016）
却没想到美国博狗一直是能下载最近一个月的session牌谱，亚洲博狗却只能下三天之内，
加上比现在大家打的GG差挺多的网络，我想主动退出亚洲市场也是有道理的
为何我HUD抓了数据还需从博狗下牌谱呢？因为博狗有个很棒的功能，可以看底牌
所以我39#贴的牌谱可以看到非摊牌玩家所持的手牌
现在非匿名平台花钻石可以看到手牌的设置，我觉得本质就是出卖玩家数据
博狗有24小时的延期，而那个是对局后实时查看，让pro在每局对局后实时查看其它玩家的手牌，这个优势有多大
我就不说了，Howard肯定知道我找到的某两个对局平台的一个漏洞，可以免费看所有/特定玩家手牌的
其中一个很快就上了CCTV，另外一个树大，现在还苟延残喘中
下一个回顾的session是10月26日的pl5/10 6max对局
主题是复仇轮回，主角是我和一名reg（从北京时间早上7点到12点都在，所以我认定他就是这个级别的常客）
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-18 10:33
又刷新掉一段完整的内容，谈为何选择特定的桌子，下次一点要记着点高级模式，普通模型下是没有保存功能的不过自己已经对这段内容比较熟悉了，只是不能让其他朋友参与讨论，稍微有些可惜
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-1-31 01:15
预告：范围的可玩性与起手牌的可玩性
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-2-2 23:39
标题: 奥马哈暗Ⅲ之功
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2023-2-3 05:42 编辑
和墙爷交流讨论走近奥马哈9-12,整理了一下贴这里
总论
SPR=1（翻前遭遇pot 3bet，call以后翻牌还有一个底池的后手，AAxx翻后无条件打光）
对抗AAxx假设一手牌的翻后胜率为均匀分布的40%,我们这里都是只能弃牌给AA的满池3bet，而不能想着有40%的胜率跟一条街
如果胜率分布是1/3 100% 2/3 0%,则可以call 3bet,前者的胜率是40%而后者的平均胜率是33%,但前者不能call pot bet而后者可以
极限情况下胜率是1/6，如果1/6稳赢100%，就可以跟注3bet（例如XXYY中暗三同时牌面没有A, 4 outs*6=25%*.88=22%）
暗三 vs 顺子
小暗三碰到顺子，翻牌胜率往往在20-30%左右，如果牌点紧密就更靠近2成，牌面牌点分散就靠近3成
翻牌小暗三改进成葫芦+的概率偏低,尤其对手拿到天顺加顶两对,我们的胜率就可怜的要哭了
翻牌
顶暗三还是有战斗力的,翻牌胜率往往在30-40%左右，即便被占outs,胜率还是在30%以上
假设SPR=4，翻牌JQKr，我们的顶暗三是不能连着接对手AT两条街的pot bet
对手AT坚果顺，翻牌一个pot，转牌一个pot
翻牌到转牌我们最低要1/6，转牌到河牌要1/3，最少也要44.4%的胜率call两条街
即便对方对pair board不敏感，还用主动满pot给我们，我们也不能去call flop的pot bet
我们就7个outs，7/43=16.3%，刚刚好没到1/6，很边缘得弃牌了（前提是对手肯定拿着坚果牌）
筹码无限深，翻牌打到河牌只有33%的胜率，往往不能跟注flop的pot bet
如果SPR=13,JQKr可以打三条街，那么就要分析对手了，
如果是个拿AT坚果顺撒不了手的，咱们这里31%也勉强凑合，所以就不用怕对手wrap占用我们outs
每条街我们各需要1/6的胜率，也就是7个outs，总胜率最少 1-25/36=30.6%，假设对手拿到ATJQ，转牌5河牌8个，平均一下就差不多31%了
如果拿AT的是个平衡爱好者，我们没法通过价值/诈唬获利，那么我们每条街最少需要2/9的胜率，合起来大约是40%（还要我们有足够的air组合）
这里我们不利位置拿到的裸顶暗三面对pot还是直接丢了吧，最好情况就是break even，因为牌点太靠拢了，40%已经接近暗三改进为葫芦四条的胜率上限了，拿掉两个出路就只剩30%了，这个牌面太难拿到40%的胜率，此外好手不会拿着一副裸顺子在不利位置 SPR=13的情况下大打出手，对方大概率还有redraw，我们后面几条街的诈唬可能会打到钢板上
转牌
转牌SPR=4的情况，这里我们还是顶暗三，假设翻牌对手wrap追顺子，转牌对手击中顺子，我们河牌听葫芦，这里对手的手牌就好读很多了
对手没占我们出路的话，10个干净的outs，我们可以考虑跟注一个非底池下注，赔率刚好够
如果牌面牌点集中在一起，比如K789r，这里对方转牌中坚果顺子后pot，后手剩一个河牌底池，这里拿顶暗三跟注可能是-EV（pair board隐蔽性差）
按胜率，我们要有最低22.2%去跟注（10/42=23.8%），但如果对手占一张out，我们胜率只有9/41=22%，就不能跟注转牌的满池下注
暗三 vs 同花draw
我们会发现,翻牌面有顺子或有花，你用坚果pot下注都会提醒别人注意你的牌力并给出额外信息
同花面多人池，即便是顶暗三面对前位的pot bet都不应该轻易继续的，除非相对位置好，赔率也合适
而小暗三在多人池面对坚果同花时是不应该继续的，反向赔率太高了
坚果同花兆碰到对手是顺子，我们听坚果花 翻牌全进 每条街1/5的概率，两条街的胜率就有36.4%
对方手牌未知但不是暗三，翻牌只要8个outs全活，（1-36/44*35/43）=33.4%，可以接allin
而碰到对手的暗三，胜率只有28%左右，因此K72ss纯听花不敢发力，而顺面听花是可以下注确定自己的位置的，模糊注可以打走小暗三，小顺子
这个听花vs暗三的赔率应该没法通过两条街的胜率来计算了，涉及到葫芦反超都得查表，所以没有简单一两行的解析算法，只能死记
这里没有讲暗三对上坚果花，因为计算和顺子类似，但是情况有本质的不同，因为天花面是静态翻牌面，而pair board会大大的改变这个静态
相对来说决策简单，天花面值得继续的只有顶暗三和坚果花，上文所述的情况，暗三的隐藏赔率往往不够，特别是不利位置
而我们也没有freeroll诈唬的机会，所以对对手下注习惯的了解很重要，他会怎么打这手天花，bet size前两条街是怎样的？
作者: rahj 时间: 2023-2-7 23:56
标题: 91
本帖最后由 rahj 于 2023-2-8 03:53 编辑
O8(by 老陈)
1）4张手牌，有可能与公牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：81.13%
2）5张公牌，有可能与手牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：60.09%
3）4张手牌，5张公牌，形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：34.81%
big O
1）5张手牌，有可能与公牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：91.09%
2）5张公牌，有可能与手牌形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：60.09%
3）5张手牌，5张公牌，形成有效低牌的概率多大？答案：43%
O8在河牌有低牌的概率(%) bigO在河牌有低牌的概率(%)
任意合格的低牌 43 47.3
2张合格的低牌 44 49.6
3张合格的低牌 47 50
4张合格的低牌 50 52
5张 NA 51.3
作者: 吹牛无罪 时间: 2024-5-4 00:45
顶起来。
最有价值的帖子之一。买了不好。
作者: luckypanda 时间: 2024-5-5 11:25
那就加个精华，让多些人看到。
作者: Mirabelless 时间: 2024-5-5 17:46
帖子不错，可惜现在基本都没得玩了
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