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作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-2 07:25
标题: 鱼的迷茫
鱼的迷茫
2009-7-2



我发现自己真的不能控制自己，对扑克感觉迷茫，自己真的不会玩牌了，一下是我今天遇到的牌局，望高手指教！




QQ-1；下家经常反加3BET，我对他有点愤怒，所以没考虑上家就ALLIN，真愚蠢。
PokerStars Game #29990702653:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 4:21:15 CCT [2009/07/01 16:21:15 ET]
Table \'Lina II\' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Rodogor ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tigergambler ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 4: 0532gszy ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Vlorg ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Florino ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 7: c.spider11 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 8: baobao520 ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: JamalJigga ($13.75 in chips)
Florino: posts small blind $0.10
c.spider11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qh]
baobao520: folds
JamalJigga: folds
Rodogor: folds
tigergambler: raises $0.50 to $0.75
0532gszy: calls $0.75
Vlorg: folds
Tuwei168 leaves the table
Florino: calls $0.65
c.spider11: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c 8h]
Florino: checks
tigergambler: checks
Daywalker VI joins the table at seat #1
0532gszy: bets $1
Florino: raises $2 to $3
tigergambler: calls $3
0532gszy: raises $22.60 to $25.60 and is all-in
Florino: folds
tigergambler: calls $22.60
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 8h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 8h 6s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tigergambler: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
tigergambler collected $53.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $56.70 | Rake $2.80
Board [2s 3c 8h 6s Ks]
Seat 2: Rodogor folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 3: tigergambler showed [2d 2c] and won ($53.90) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: 0532gszy mucked [Qd Qh]
Seat 5: Vlorg (button) folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 6: Florino (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: c.spider11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: baobao520 folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 9: JamalJigga folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)

QQ-2；我太太拉着我没有ALLIN，我盘牌前就想ALLIN.
PokerStars Game #29977532093:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/01 20:54:54 CCT [2009/07/01 8:54:54 ET]
Table \'Beltrovata\' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nzezied ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 ($25.90 in chips)
Seat 3: konsi7777 ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 ($52.40 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Hannusque ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: budzior ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 9: waver11 ($4.55 in chips)
nzezied: posts small blind $0.10
Tulsy_Tsan99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qc]
konsi7777: calls $0.25
Dr.Hibbert55: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Hannusque: folds
budzior: folds
BreweRonnie: raises $3.50 to $5
waver11: folds
nzezied: folds
Tulsy_Tsan99: folds
konsi7777: folds
0532gszy: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 9d]
0532gszy: checks
BreweRonnie: bets $4.75
waver11 is sitting out
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.75) returned to BreweRonnie
BreweRonnie collected $10.10 from pot
BreweRonnie: doesn\'t show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [8h 9h 9d]
Seat 1: nzezied (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: konsi7777 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hannusque folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 7: budzior folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie collected ($10.10)
Seat 9: waver11 (button) folded before Flop (didn\'t bet)


Aks;我最近AK,AQ输惨了，看到AK,AQ就怕。
PokerStars Game #29989736719:  Hold\'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 3:57:04 CCT [2009/07/01 15:57:04 ET]
Table \'Garlena II\' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hardcore ny ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: gilka12 ($18.45 in chips)
Seat 3: ggu_master ($16.10 in chips)
Seat 4: innka23 ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Gaseri ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 6: 0532gszy ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 7: BassT09 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 8: fritzthetige ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 9: BKKiMP ($11.90 in chips)
ggu_master: posts small blind $0.10
innka23: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Ad Kd]
Gaseri: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.25
BassT09: folds
fritzthetige: folds
BKKiMP: folds
hardcore ny: folds
gilka12: calls $0.25
ggu_master: raises $0.75 to $1
innka23: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.75
gilka12: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Td 8c 9d]
ggu_master: bets $2.25
0532gszy: calls $2.25
gilka12: folds
*** TURN *** [Td 8c 9d] [Tc]
ggu_master: bets $1.75
0532gszy: calls $1.75
*** RIVER *** [Td 8c 9d Tc] [7h]
ggu_master: bets $2.50
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.50) returned to ggu_master
ggu_master collected $10.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
作者: monox    时间: 2009-7-2 08:24
标题: 鱼的迷茫
首先 这也是我的惨痛代价换来的一句话，我想告诉你，就是扑克不是打一手牌，而是打这手牌。

还得自己去参...
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-2 09:37
标题: 鱼的迷茫
首先 这也是我的惨痛代价换来的一句话，我想告诉你，就是扑克不是打一手牌，而是打这手牌。

还得自己去参...
高手指教谢谢！但我真的没能明白，，是不是每手牌的情况不同，要区别对待？我刚玩牌半年，现在真的迷茫了，怎么样能再进一步，我感觉很难有突破，是紧/松，激进/保守，希望大家能告之。
作者: justend    时间: 2009-7-2 09:47
标题: 鱼的迷茫
提高自控能力，守纪律，尽量减少情绪对打牌的影响，不论是愤怒/挫败/激动/或是高兴  [s:167]

要有一颗坚强的心,总是要不断经历信心受挫及重建信心的过程。
作者: pokerbean    时间: 2009-7-2 09:48
标题: 鱼的迷茫
看过书么？没有的话还是好好看一两本吧。
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-2 13:47
标题: 鱼的迷茫
谢谢大家指教！我是把扑克当修行，我玩扑克没花一分钱，都是扑克室赞助的，现在已经玩到刀了2000刀，我是先把能找到的扑克中文资料，都看看了，我不懂英文，很遗憾，我最想看到CHENBILL的《扑克数学》。我想高手能指出我的错误！谢谢！！
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-2 18:42
标题: 鱼的迷茫
惨败
-被AA慢打
PokerStars Game #30009397858:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 17:23:38 CCT [2009/07/02 5:23:38 ET]
Table 'Klytia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Zigslick ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DeBruns ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 4: hb2c ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 6: ereslider ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Taavi001 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: DittscheGE ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 ($36.35 in chips)
ereslider: posts small blind $0.10
Taavi001: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Kh Ac]
DittscheGE: folds
r眉眉d70: calls $0.25
Zigslick: calls $0.25
DeBruns: folds
kcnyc9: folds
hb2c: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ereslider: folds
Taavi001: folds
r眉眉d70: raises $1.50 to $3
Zigslick: folds
0532gszy: calls $1.50（这时候我脑子空白了，想不明白为什么他反加注，认为他咋呼。）
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2s 6d]
r眉眉d70: checks
0532gszy: bets $2.25
r眉眉d70: raises $2.25 to $4.50
DeBruns is disconnected
0532gszy: raises $20.80 to $25.30 and is all-in（当时考虑他说不是暗3条，感觉不是就ALLIN）
r眉眉d70: calls $20.80
*** TURN *** [Kd 2s 6d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2s 6d Th] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
r眉眉d70: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
r眉眉d70 collected $54.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.20 | Rake $2.80
Board [Kd 2s 6d Th 7c]
Seat 1: Zigslick folded before Flop
Seat 2: DeBruns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hb2c folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy (button) mucked [Kh Ac]
Seat 6: ereslider (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Taavi001 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DittscheGE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 showed [Ad As] and won ($54.40) with a pair of Aces
真没想到他AA慢打，我在MTT里遇到过，刚刚玩现金，现在也遇到了，看样扑克很复杂，也许现在输是最便宜的，可恨的AA慢玩。
作者: september8    时间: 2009-7-2 19:53
标题: 鱼的迷茫
不经历风雨怎么见彩虹。 [s:171]
作者: wmwmw    时间: 2009-7-2 20:11
标题: 鱼的迷茫
惨败
-被AA慢打
PokerStars Game #30009397858:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 17:23:38 CCT [2009/07/02 5:23:38 ET]
Table 'Klytia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Zigslick ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DeBruns ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 4: hb2c ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 6: ereslider ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Taavi001 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: DittscheGE ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 ($36.35 in chips)
ereslider: posts small blind $0.10
Taavi001: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Kh Ac]
DittscheGE: folds
r眉眉d70: calls $0.25
Zigslick: calls $0.25
DeBruns: folds
kcnyc9: folds
hb2c: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ereslider: folds
Taavi001: folds
r眉眉d70: raises $1.50 to $3
Zigslick: folds
0532gszy: calls $1.50（这时候我脑子空白了，想不明白为什么他反加注，认为他咋呼。）
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2s 6d]
r眉眉d70: checks
0532gszy: bets $2.25
r眉眉d70: raises $2.25 to $4.50
DeBruns is disconnected
0532gszy: raises $20.80 to $25.30 and is all-in（当时考虑他说不是暗3条，感觉不是就ALLIN）
r眉眉d70: calls $20.80
*** TURN *** [Kd 2s 6d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2s 6d Th] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
r眉眉d70: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
r眉眉d70 collected $54.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.20 | Rake $2.80
Board [Kd 2s 6d Th 7c]
Seat 1: Zigslick folded before Flop
Seat 2: DeBruns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kcnyc9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hb2c folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy (button) mucked [Kh Ac]
Seat 6: ereslider (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Taavi001 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DittscheGE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: r眉眉d70 showed [Ad As] and won ($54.40) with a pair of Aces
真没想到他AA慢打，我在MTT里遇到过，刚刚玩现金，现在也遇到了，看样扑克很复杂，也许现在输是最便宜的，可恨的AA慢玩。


这个不算慢打.
preflop对手3bet就要警惕对手QQ,KK,AA,AK这几种牌.
flop 以后对手reraise,意思是他不怕KK.所以要警惕他是AK,AA,或KK.
这种情况下最多你只能call.
我看了你其他牌谱,你对poker的理解还不够.
作者: wmwmw    时间: 2009-7-2 20:50
标题: 鱼的迷茫
鱼的迷茫
2009-7-2



我发现自己真的不能控制自己，对扑克感觉迷茫，自己真的不会玩牌了，一下是我今天遇到的牌局，望高手指教！




QQ-1；下家经常反加3BET，我对他有点愤怒，所以没考虑上家就ALLIN，真愚蠢。
PokerStars Game #29990702653:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 4:21:15 CCT [2009/07/01 16:21:15 ET]
Table 'Lina II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Rodogor ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 3: tigergambler ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 4: 0532gszy ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Vlorg ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Florino ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 7: c.spider11 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 8: baobao520 ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: JamalJigga ($13.75 in chips)
Florino: posts small blind $0.10
c.spider11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qh]
baobao520: folds
JamalJigga: folds
Rodogor: folds
tigergambler: raises $0.50 to $0.75
0532gszy: calls $0.75
Vlorg: folds
Tuwei168 leaves the table
Florino: calls $0.65
c.spider11: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 3c 8h]
Florino: checks
tigergambler: checks
Daywalker VI joins the table at seat #1
0532gszy: bets $1
Florino: raises $2 to $3
tigergambler: calls $3
0532gszy: raises $22.60 to $25.60 and is all-in
Florino: folds
tigergambler: calls $22.60
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 8h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 8h 6s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tigergambler: shows [2d 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
0532gszy: mucks hand
tigergambler collected $53.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $56.70 | Rake $2.80
Board [2s 3c 8h 6s Ks]
Seat 2: Rodogor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tigergambler showed [2d 2c] and won ($53.90) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 4: 0532gszy mucked [Qd Qh]
Seat 5: Vlorg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Florino (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: c.spider11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: baobao520 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JamalJigga folded before Flop (didn't bet)

QQ-2；我太太拉着我没有ALLIN，我盘牌前就想ALLIN.
PokerStars Game #29977532093:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/01 20:54:54 CCT [2009/07/01 8:54:54 ET]
Table 'Beltrovata' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nzezied ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 ($25.90 in chips)
Seat 3: konsi7777 ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 ($52.40 in chips)
Seat 5: 0532gszy ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Hannusque ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 7: budzior ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 9: waver11 ($4.55 in chips)
nzezied: posts small blind $0.10
Tulsy_Tsan99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Qd Qc]
konsi7777: calls $0.25
Dr.Hibbert55: folds
0532gszy: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Hannusque: folds
budzior: folds
BreweRonnie: raises $3.50 to $5
waver11: folds
nzezied: folds
Tulsy_Tsan99: folds
konsi7777: folds
0532gszy: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 9d]
0532gszy: checks
BreweRonnie: bets $4.75
waver11 is sitting out
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.75) returned to BreweRonnie
BreweRonnie collected $10.10 from pot
BreweRonnie: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [8h 9h 9d]
Seat 1: nzezied (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tulsy_Tsan99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: konsi7777 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr.Hibbert55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 0532gszy folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hannusque folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: budzior folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BreweRonnie collected ($10.10)
Seat 9: waver11 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Aks;我最近AK,AQ输惨了，看到AK,AQ就怕。
PokerStars Game #29989736719:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/07/02 3:57:04 CCT [2009/07/01 15:57:04 ET]
Table 'Garlena II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hardcore ny ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: gilka12 ($18.45 in chips)
Seat 3: ggu_master ($16.10 in chips)
Seat 4: innka23 ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Gaseri ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 6: 0532gszy ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 7: BassT09 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 8: fritzthetige ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 9: BKKiMP ($11.90 in chips)
ggu_master: posts small blind $0.10
innka23: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 0532gszy [Ad Kd]
Gaseri: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.25
BassT09: folds
fritzthetige: folds
BKKiMP: folds
hardcore ny: folds
gilka12: calls $0.25
ggu_master: raises $0.75 to $1
innka23: folds
0532gszy: calls $0.75
gilka12: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Td 8c 9d]
ggu_master: bets $2.25
0532gszy: calls $2.25
gilka12: folds
*** TURN *** [Td 8c 9d] [Tc]
ggu_master: bets $1.75
0532gszy: calls $1.75
*** RIVER *** [Td 8c 9d Tc] [7h]
ggu_master: bets $2.50
0532gszy: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.50) returned to ggu_master
ggu_master collected $10.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***

第一手:
QQ并不是nuts,比你强的还有set,two pairs,AA,KK.
poker的真理,是牌手的action=牌手的牌力.虽然很多时候,因为等draws,或bluff,action偏离牌力,但是大多数时候,action=牌力,仍然是判断对手牌力的主要依据.
在Read的时候,很多牌手喜欢猜对手的牌.这往往会陷入一个误区:因为read的目的,是判断自己和对手的牌力对比.太执着于猜对手的牌是什么,会影响对牌力对比的判断这个主要目的.在有些牌,因为猜中对手的牌而获利,可是更多的牌,却因为猜错而损失.
因为猜中牌很难,而判断双方牌力对比,却容易的多.比如在以上例子中,你拿QQ敢allin吗?如果你不敢,而对手敢,证明对手牌力比你强.
作者: wmwmw    时间: 2009-7-2 20:56
标题: 鱼的迷茫
第二手fold的时机不当.
我要是fold,会在preflop,如果preflop没有fold,flop也不会fold.
作者: wmwmw    时间: 2009-7-2 21:04
标题: 鱼的迷茫
第三手,应该在river allin.
因为board上有straight,triple的可能.
对手如果有straight这么强的牌,river必然bet很大.
对手的river bet too weak,实际上告诉你,他顾忌你中了straight.
作者: windstormm    时间: 2009-7-2 23:11
标题: 鱼的迷茫
play your game the right way, don't let losing discourage you.
作者: monox    时间: 2009-7-3 03:59
标题: 鱼的迷茫
的确阿，有时候是你一段时间的心情影响了发挥，休息一下状态也回来了。

还有我不是什么高手，你能从0到2000，充分证明了你的才能，大家共勉。
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-3 05:22
标题: 鱼的迷茫
我太感谢大家的指教！没想到天下好人真多，我玩现金不到1万手，对扑克是刚接触，我是看了一些资料，就跟着学习，比如看到怎么样诈唬，就跟着学习，这时候就认为谁都在诈唬，现在想想就搞笑，教材上说定对顶角是中等强度牌，不值得ALLIN,我经常就忘记了，认为别人加注是诈唬，我最大，现在想想自己真好笑，给大家添乐了，
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-3 06:02
标题: 鱼的迷茫
wmwmw 十分感谢！
action=牌力,仍然是判断对手牌力的主要依据.这句话太对了，我怎么就没想到呀！我想可能自己心胸狭隘，自己诈唬，就认为别人也诈唬，你这一句话点醒梦中人了。
作者: 建设2008    时间: 2009-7-3 19:35
标题: 鱼的迷茫
老实说，进城以后，我一直感觉到这里的气氛非常好，
大家讨论技术，评论牌局让我们这些后打牌的人受益匪浅，我每天必经城中数次！
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-9 19:06
标题: 鱼的迷茫
如何能丢掉AA?
$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
MP3 = ($26.10)
CO = ($5.15)
BU = ($22.00)
SB(Hero) = ($25.30)
BB = ($21.35)
UTG2 = ($25.00)
MP1 = ($38.35)
MP2 = ($26.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A , A .
3 folds, MP3 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, BB folds, MP3 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.25) Q , 9 , T  (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, MP3 raises to $8, Hero raises to $22.8(All-In), MP3 calls $14.80.

Turn: ($50.85) 8  (2 players)

River: ($50.85) 4  (2 players)

Final Pot: $50.85.
我最近拿到AA,KK,被BB的次数很多，我在翻牌圈的时候，就分析，对家可能是底对QQ,TT

我就加注试试，对手再加注，我就基本断定他是3条，我看看自己的筹码是19刀多点，就很无奈的跟进了，我是不是太顺利，拿钱不当钱了，也许我慢是主要的原因，我能感觉到，自己太顺利的时候，基本就开始输了，真的想有能力放弃AA,我现在做不到。
慢打AQ的悲惨下场
最近AQ是我输钱最多的起手牌，我见到AQ，就怕了。
$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
MP2 = ($28.75)
MP3 = ($25.00)
CO = ($22.20)
BU = ($23.90)
SB = ($40.00)
BB = ($10.00)
UTG2(Hero) = ($25.00)
MP1 = ($23.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with Q , A .
Hero calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.75) Q , Q , T  (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.75) 8  (3 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $24.75(All-In), SB folds, BB calls $7.50(All-In).

River: ($36.00) 3  (2 players)

Final Pot: $36.00.
________________________________________
Results follow:

Hero shows three of a kind, queens (Q  A )
BB shows a straight, queen high (J  9 )

BB wins with a straight, queen high (J  9 ).
我在UTG位置，平进，翻牌圈看到三条，我就很矛盾，有同花的可能，没看那到顺子的可能，想如果加注他们就跑了，让他们再看张牌，结果就是悲惨的故事发生，我总结第一不能怕什么牌，那是没道理的，该加注的牌一定加注，对公共牌一定要看仔细，不能因为自己的牌好，就想当然的认为对手不可能是什么牌，这是我经常犯的错误，望大家指点。
作者: chapstick    时间: 2009-7-14 08:00
标题: 鱼的迷茫
不错,我也学到点东西!
作者: windstormm    时间: 2009-7-16 00:06
标题: 鱼的迷茫
From the hand, i can tell that you are a very agressive player. It probably wins you a lot of $$ for catching donkeys but when the other players are decent players it won't pay you off.
First hand after flop, MP3 reraised you with a very drawy flop (trip sets or made straight possibily, even 2 pair is better than your hand). What you have is really only an overpair (overpair is still only a pair). To go all in, you are betting on your opponents on a bluff or a semi bluff. A decent player will lay down with this hand unless they have a better hand. I think you probably should lay this hand down after the reraise or call and check on the turn to keep the pot small for the showdown value of your hand.

The second hand is the same. You have a decent hand, but BB reraised on that board with possible (straight and full house already made). your hand is very good for show down value, but not good enough for all in. If your opponents is good player he knows you have a Q at least, again they would lay it down unless they have a better hand (straight or full house).  they might call with KQ or JQ, but probably would fold even with a smaller kicker. I would suggest to call after turn and call again after river depending on the bet size to keep the pot relatively small for a showdown.

I have seen a lot of player go all in with good hand on show down value hoping to get pay off. but more than often, this move will only get called by a better hand. This might only work if you have a very loose table image and your opponents are putting you on a bluff. I would never go all in first with these two hand if i sense any strenghth from your opponents' hand

Just my 2 cents.
作者: zhzhjgood    时间: 2009-7-16 01:19
标题: 鱼的迷茫
打现金,最开始时,在小级别,从坚实打法开始最好,不要去想什么松凶之类的打法.因为那些打法不好驾驭.刚刚开始打牌不久,稳健打法就好.等你经验丰富了,自然会找到适合你的打法.
所谓稳健打法,就是简单的,特定牌在特定位置玩适合他牌力的行动.比如AA翻牌前可以3BET ,JJ却不能(对于新手玩家,因为翻牌圈控制不好)有牌就打,没牌不乱诈唬.适合小级别对手都弱.要多学习对牌面结构的分析
我说几个方向.楼主自己悟吧.
1:盲注进攻与防守.什么牌,在什么位置.可以用来抢盲,什么牌,在什么位置,可以3BET来自什么位置的玩家的RAISE.学会判断对手是否有偷盲嫌疑.等等
2:起手牌打法.什么位置该玩什么牌.有些论坛有,多看看,遵守纪律.
3:BR控制.有多少钱可以打多大的级别.
4:情绪的控制,如果你输100自己会ON TILT,那么就当你输到80乘自己还控制的住自己时下桌吧.等情绪稳定了在回来.不要跟牌桌上的玩家怄气.要知道你和他们怄气就是和钱怄气.如果看他们不顺眼,那么就想尽办法赢光他们的钱,把快乐建立在他们的痛苦之上.
5:翻牌圈处理.比如两大张FLOP不中了怎么打.中了怎么打.多大的牌力,可以打多大的锅,也就是所谓的POT大小的控制.比如三条,可以往满BUYIN了打,而一对子,就要时刻考虑是否值得把一个BUY IN的钱都推进锅里
6学会研判对手,对手是死跟鱼吗?是爱猛诈唬的吗.是松凶高手,是紧凶玩家不,特定的人,要有对他特定的策略.比如对松凶乱打的非高手,可以拿一对子CALL到底,而在面对几乎不RAISE的对手时.有时在牌面吓人时,却应该放掉两对,总之扑克这东西,变化太多,对人的心态要求也高,得多磨练多打,说句不好意思的话，我打牌前两年都没怎么入门.打了3年过了技术关,第四年初才过掉心态关.我走了很多弯路.
  有的地方说的有漏洞,也可能有的地方说的不对,但是大体上是经验之谈.批判着看吧.
作者: yost123    时间: 2009-7-16 01:20
标题: 鱼的迷茫
我的体会是在你并不是非常了解你的对手的时候，不要轻易allin。
作者: 0532gszy    时间: 2009-7-16 05:28
标题: 鱼的迷茫
zhzhjgood兄
十分感谢！我是比较幸运的新手，刚玩牌不到半年，运气好没输，我开始玩SNG，现在才学习现金，你的指教让我明白了基础的重要性，我发现自己不了解扑克，我想请教各位前辈，以下几本书适合我看么？中文扑克书太少了，
1；
（Gus Hansen- Every Hand Revealed 揭密每一手牌）
2；《No Limit Hold’em: Theory and Practice》
《无限德州扑克理论与实践》

十分感谢zhzhjgood兄指教。
作者: zhzhjgood    时间: 2009-7-16 08:29
标题: 鱼的迷茫
呵呵,不好意思,我对扑克书没什么研究,基本没看过什么书,哈森的比赛书是本好书.现金方面我还真不知道谁写的好些.
作者: justend    时间: 2009-7-16 09:16
标题: 鱼的迷茫
两本书都不错，不过建议你先看“No Limit Hold’em: Theory and Practice”，  Gus的书先不要急着看。。。
作者: pokerfan    时间: 2009-7-17 02:02
标题: 鱼的迷茫
LAG: action=>牌力 ?
TAG: action<=牌力 ?
wmwmw 十分感谢！
action=牌力,仍然是判断对手牌力的主要依据.这句话太对了，我怎么就没想到呀！我想可能自己心胸狭隘，自己诈唬，就认为别人也诈唬，你这一句话点醒梦中人了。




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