Raise to 2500. all in river if blank. Call is bad because if sb has a draw of any kind he will come along for the great odds. Charge him for the draws.作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-7-23 02:01
KK,那第一個問題,你會call還是reraise CO+1?
sama 发表于 2010-7-23 01:16
如果不raise, 你是不可能在river 上all in 的。。board is not dry anymore after turn, there is flush and several straight draw possibility. Based on the board and preflop actions, your raise actually represent a very narrow range of strong hand. With the draws on board, you might just get a shove from 2 pair or big draws (10sJs? which might over estimate their fold equity).
If you want to win the whole stack, you have to raise turn to set up for river all in.
Edit: Second thought, 2500 is probably too much. I didn't notice that they are actually much shorter stack than you. you can probably reraise smaller. Just enough to have another reasonable size bet to put co+1 all in on river.作者: sama 时间: 2010-7-23 02:59
這把牌我不是BUTTON,我是CO+1,但我在想如果我在BUTTON我會怎樣做呢?他如果RERAISE我的RAISE,基本上我AQ以上才會CALL上,FLUSH DRAW和順子DRAW基本我也只會計OUTS決定CALL還是FOLD,但如果他CALL,RIVER如果不出順花的OUTS,我兩對還是會跟他ALL IN的作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-7-23 03:22 本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-7-23 03:24 编辑
assume both of sb co+1 call, pot is 2600. co+1 and button both have more than 4000 chips left. button can't put co+1 all in without put in an over pot size bet. That is not a well planned way to get someone stacked (also better odds for sb to call and if co has a draw, you just gave him a free card). on the other hand, raise to 1800. if sb call, then pot is 5400, you have a a little over half pot size all in on river which is perfect sizing. if sb fold, then you have less than pot size left for river shove, also good sizing.
especially you mentioned that sb is a weak calling station. So he might come around with any made hand or draws because he might consider that he is commited as short stack. So making co+1 commit became your top priority.作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-7-23 03:32
现场这牌对手有任何能call转牌的3bet的牌,面对flat几乎必然还会bet river,3000的锅至少会打个1500-2000,你全下他还是commit了
如果他有AQ A9之类的,也许网络牌打不完,现场牌基本还是可以把他们打完的作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-7-23 03:43
如果river 是blank, 可能还行。 如果是成花成顺的牌呢? like Ks?
Not only it might stop him betting, it also make you second guess your hand and unwilling to stack off. if he lead with pot size bet, it put you in a very tough spot because he could raise with strong draws on turn and made his draws. Slow play with such deep stack have two biggest flaws. 1, scary card stop action, 2, give others too great implied odds if you can't fold your hand. These flaws are significantly larger in a limped pot where you are playing against a wide range of hands.作者: sama 时间: 2010-7-23 04:02
其實成花成順也很難再 VALUE BET RIVER了...作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-7-23 10:44
出了那些他bet你call,他check你bet,in position怕啥......作者: sama 时间: 2010-7-23 10:58
我是co+1的xd....只不過看到他call我turn,在想他是什麼想法而己,也是在考慮自己如果是相同的情況下會怎樣做作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-7-23 11:05
网络上现在大部分reg都在用call来玩这样的一手牌
sama原来是你。我当时也在桌上。co+1是个nit.他之所以会limp behind with big hand是因为他希望我short stack get in,因为我和他之间有段history. turn raise基本可以肯定他是99 QQ AA. only possible hand you could beat is AQ. 还有另外个原因是他希望你raise on button,因为你的image比较LA. by the way, T4o is the nuts.lol
我个人觉的,他比较不会limp A9 Q9之类的牌,因为后面有个short stack和你。作者: sama 时间: 2010-7-23 17:51 本帖最后由 sama 于 2010-7-23 17:59 编辑
另外,第二個問題,如果我平跟,SB全下,CO+1再全下,我是很難跟得下去的,根據先前所述,SB有機會拿99,他的全下很有可能拿著這手牌,一般來說,如果是兩對的話,跟注站不會all in。此外,如果CO+1能在SB all in 後再大 all in,要重估他的牌力,他可能慢打top set Q,作為一個緊手的常客,他會拿小兩對all in 250個BB嗎?我很懷疑,這把牌最終會開牌,我傾向放棄。作者: heytony 时间: 2010-7-23 21:40
一看就是在新葡京玩的吧。。。7月初我在那玩的,马上又要过去了。作者: JACKPOKER 时间: 2010-7-23 23:56
I M ALL IN作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-7-24 00:11
如果可以假设对手在已经有两个limper的情况下limp QQ,并且翻牌那么多人到了hijack还要check,有人bet in position有人跟,还不C/R还只是call。
4000跟一次,赢了能拿接近14000,2次赢一次,赚6000。3次赢一次,赚2000。而且有5000的CO+1的range里是几乎没有AA QQ的,就万事皆有可能,你给他0.1%都嫌多。他最多有个AQ,他觉得自己比那个SB松弱的A9或者A3好,也比你这样bet in position然后转牌也只是call的人好。这个33的动作最多rep出个AJ Q9之类的,CO+1未必会把他放在33 99的位置,他过度玩一手牌也是有可能的
对手如果QQ 99的set在翻牌倒数第二个说话还过牌,庄位下注跟了一共三个人了他最后一个还不check/raise还只是跟?图什么?澳门都在这么玩牌么?作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-7-24 01:35
Jimmyking is my new idol. 想法和我一模一样. everything he said.. hoho