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作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-9 12:28
标题: 自从从NL25升上NL50 on 5/18/2010
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-9 12:37 编辑

10.79bb/100 hand.. did not have one losing day.

不是显摆..是给新手信心.. 我今年一月开始打cash的.  扎扎实实打好poker 基础,在microstake 要稳定盈利是很容易的
1-2月                         NL10 30k hand break even 0bb/100hand
3-5月                            NL25  60k hand 3.5bb/100hand
5/18/2010 until today NL50  24k hands  10.79bb/100hand

all rush poker on ftp, play 1-2 hour every day.

新手打好poker 基础, 学会ABC poker成为winner再学花捎的十么 "slow play AA ". Those are not useful at all if you are not a winner yet. My true advise from the heart as a beginner myself.

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-9 12:42
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-9 12:45 编辑

overall graph. how I turn myself into a winner over the period of less than half year.

first 30k hand break even as you can see.

I am not the best player out there obviously. but i know how to turn a beginner to a winner in a short period of time. it is by learning poker from the basics.

作者: nbagaliye 时间: 2010-6-9 13:26
牛呀。。。

作者: muyir 时间: 2010-6-9 14:35
Good job

作者: llyyzz 时间: 2010-6-9 15:18
Very impressive and good job!

请问楼主，你所指的ABC扑克是指严格按照教科书（比如，preflop以位置和牌力入局，总体打得紧极少bluff）打，还是因为是rush poker有所调整？比如，总体来讲，大部分rush poker的选手会拿到更好的牌时才入局，这时根据位置把自己的range放宽一些，或者说是更凶一些？我个人打过一小段时间rush poker的micro-level，少于5k手吧。总体策略就是凶，几乎每次入局都是3x 入局，特别是在button位置时，几乎任何牌都玩。依据对手翻牌后表现，fold or fire at most 2 bullets if I try to bluff. 刚开始小赢了一段时间，后来又输了回去，离稳定还很远。

另外，不知道楼主是在rush poker里面打deep stack还是比如翻2番之后退出重新入局？我还控制不好deep stack，经常1，2个小时累积的筹码一把就会输回去。。。所以，我个人都prefer打short stack，但这样积累筹码又太慢了，呵呵。

不知道楼主能否share一下自己rush poker的经验？

作者: 王宇 时间: 2010-6-9 15:18
哥哥，能说汉语么。。。

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-6-9 16:07

曲线很完美~希望楼主多多技术
分享

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-9 21:48
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 02:36 编辑

Very impressive and good job!

请问楼主，你所指的ABC扑克是指严格按照教科书（比如，preflop以位置和牌力入局，总体打得紧极少bluff）打，还是因为是rush poker有所调整？比如，总体来讲，大部分rush poker的选手会拿到更好的牌时才入局，这时根据位置把自己的range放宽一些，或者说是更凶一些？我个人打过一小段时间rush poker的micro-level，少于5k手吧。总体策略就是凶，几乎每次入局都是3x 入局，特别是在button位置时，几乎任何牌都玩。依据对手翻牌后表现，fold or fire at most 2 bullets if I try to bluff. 刚开始小赢了一段时间，后来又输了回去，离稳定还很远。

另外，不知道楼主是在rush poker里面打deep stack还是比如翻2番之后退出重新入局？我还控制不好deep stack，经常1，2个小时累积的筹码一把就会输回去。。。所以，我个人都prefer打short stack，但这样积累筹码又太慢了，呵呵。

不知道楼主能否share一下自己rush poker的经验？

一般我打到200bb, 会reload, deep stack 是很难打, 不过我reload 还为了减少swing。. 不要打short stack，至少打80 bb.  最好buy in full..
"总体打得紧极少bluff" 不是ABC TAG poker是nit fish.
share 一下我在mitbbs 的文章，讨论preflop tight or loose 和 after flop 的different approach:

"I am very tight preflop. However, i don't play fit and fold after flop nor
do I pot pot all in with TPTK or over pair. I would call my game a typical
tight and aggressive game. Key weapon is

1) stealing in position (small to medium pot)
2) pot size control for medium strenghth hand(I would consider all one pair
hand as medium strength, sometimes even two pairs depending on board
structure.)
3) value bet, value bet and value bet.  (the most important of all skills at
microstake)

Manipulate betting size to get full value for your hand is in fact easier in
NL50 than NL25, because more people pay attention to it. Use it to your
advantage.  No matter it is getting two bets from your top pair weak kicker
out of their middle pair or stack someone with your set. It takes planning
and reads before it gets down to the last betting round.  Don't over bet the
pot unless you are fairly sure that you will get a call. You get NO value
for check raise 4X on flop with your set if you do not get a call.

The best part of TAG game is lower swing. I have not had a swing more than 2
buy in so far in NL 50 even with cooler and bad beats after 20k hands.

Play loose when everyone is tight seems logical preflop, but it is not after
flop. Once you get a call preflop with your Q9s after opening 3.5X, you
would be fighting an uphill battel all 3 streets. I hope you didn't raise it
EP because you are adding more difficulty to your game. You might have
better postflop skill than others, but your weak starting hand in fact HURTs
your edge a bit postflop. If you have to bluff 3 barrel cold often trying
to take a pot. I think it is time to tighten up. If you are super loose
preflop (like 24/23), i think you need to be considerably tighter after flop or
you will be in trouble more often than not. Overall, it might not be as
profitable as playing TAG. I like it tight preflop relative loose after flop. It is just so much easier to bluff 3 street cold when you have a vpip of 12/6 than someone with 24/23. ^_^"

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-9 21:54
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-9 21:58 编辑

另外一篇我对river 的approach based on some discussion on mitbbs 。  主要是驳斥river 论点"we need to call river bet with marginal hands to avoid being bluffed."  应该对新手有点帮助。

"I didn't have time to discuss further on this yesterday while playing 2
tables at the side.  I want to talk a little more on this. I truly believe
nash's opinion on river showdown is exactly opposite of what we should do on
river.

River is the most important street in Holdem.  For a few reasons, 1) the
cards are out, you are either beat or you have won. There is no more miracle
card to come to save you; 2) the pot at river is many more times larger
than previous street, which make your decision that much more important.
Your ability to value bet, bluff and call bluff at river is the ultimate
weapon to make you a winning player.  If you play your river well, your
starting hand is really not important anymore, because you can play any two
cards and extract maximum value.

Now that we understand how important river is, we need to understand a few
more key point 1) People do not bluff as often as you think at river.  2)
People who are LAG preflop, flop, turn, does not necessary equal to they are
aggressive on river.  Even if they are, they will be at a much less
frequency.  Because of these two points, you are better off folding a lot of
marginal hand than being taken to value town at river. You can call a bluff
ONLY IF you have a specific read. Don't do it the other way around like "
calling some marginal hand to avoid being bluffed."  It is WRONG, and it
does not worth it. It does not make you a winner.

There is a reason why people do not think playing short stack is real holdem
, because you avoided the most complex street in holdem and most of the time
you are all in by turn. It is also more difficult to play river simply
because there are more cards on the table. Your read is your ultimate weapon
at river.  When you are dealing with river, not only look at your own two
hole cards, but also think about what the other player have and what other
player think you have. Think about what hand you can get value from and what
hand you can beat.

Simple example,
utg raise 4X you call at button with AKs,
flop AQJ rainbow, utg pot, you call,
turn 2 , utg pot again, you call.
River is another 2, utg put in another pot.
What do you do here?  You should fold most of the time., because you are
getting value from no hands here. You called two pot size and represented a
strong hand (I can guarantee you that utg will not think you have pocket 9s)
. You can call rarely ONLY if you have a read that utg is capable of
bluffing 3 street after raise utg with junk. Even though if this is the case
, you still proceed with caution and understand that you are trying to catch
a bluff not trying to get value from his A10."

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-9 23:10
本帖最后由 skizzik 于 2010-6-9 23:11 编辑

呵呵看数据楼主应该也是在打6人桌的吧

我想我们不该是12/6，但是根据我自己70万手的经验，最好也不要24/23这样

我觉得翻牌前紧一些的17/15就蛮好的，翻牌后的激进程度我总是会高于建议值，估计是我float得还不够多，或者有些该只是call的牌我raise了，这个比较不好把握

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-9 23:24
很多建议是AF保持在3比较好

对于需要主动bet或者rasie的牌型我还比较了解，但是我想交流一下都有哪些牌值得只是call

比如一些偏大的顶对，J以上。超对。还有一些一般的draw（super draw我肯定rasie，他3bet我go all-in）。但是这些牌遇到对手donk bet的机会还是不多

而我翻牌前call得不多，一般可以float的机会都不多

AF一直超过4，怎么都降不下来

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-9 23:27
我是打9人full ring 的..一般可以比 6max 更紧点.

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 00:12
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 00:16 编辑

很多建议是AF保持在3比较好

对于需要主动bet或者rasie的牌型我还比较了解，但是我想交流一下都有哪些牌值 ...
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-9 23:24

我在NL25的AF 是2.7.. NL50 是3.4 so far.  原因是NL50的人fold 的凭率明显高.. second level thinker, 他们已经开始考虑对手的牌了. use it to your advantage, be consistent with what hand you are trying to represent, 所以我增加了我的aggression 特撇是in position.

其实我觉得很多牌flop 都不要raise. call 的效果更好.. 你一raise, 很多worse hand的都fold 乐, 他一3 bet,你如果放不下,一定被清了... TPTK or 2 pair 都不recommend raise unless you have specific read.  You can also call some sets in position, sometimes you get more value out of it by mixing it up.

几种情况我大都会raise flop
1) value raise with sets if you put your opponents on a relatively strong hand ( top pair or over pair ) or a draw or if your opponents is a calling station.
2) you have total air and you feel your opponents's flop bet is very weak on a draw possible board(like flush draw), and you want to bluff at it. Reason is here, there is a clear draw on board, so your call looks relatively weak and you do only have air. if your hand is air and your play is weak, it is a bad combination. You can't win by show down and you can't win by bluff either in later street.  so you should fold or take a stab at the pot right there. This play can back fire because some people might just put you on a draw and will stack off with a marginal hand. Then you have to fold.
3) You have total air and you sense your opponents are cbetting with total air and you want to bluff at it right there.

Combine these in a perfect proportion so that they are not sure whether you are bluffing or value raising, like 2:1 value raise to bluff ratio.
2) 最好不要float 3) 你也可以float. 特别是你bb vs sb 的时候.. 如果你trust your read, 你在turn either bet when he check to you or you raise him on turn and bets river if he calls raise on turn and check to your river.
when you pull this kind of bluffs, you should really have a relatively tight image, or it would not work as well.

when you try a bluff, pay attention to your opponent's range as well as what he puts you on.
if a tight but aggressive guy opens at MP and you call at button with 10 Js .
flop 785 rainbow. he bets 2/3 pot,  you call.  (you could raise, but i like call better, it put 2 pair, set, draws all type of hand in your range if you have called with those hand before)
turn is a 6, he bets 2/3 pot again. you should fold or raise turn here. because the board is very favorite to your range but not to his after you flat preflop and call flop. You can  have varity of hand that have him beat (2 pair, set and straight). He could have a totally air with AK or he can have an over pair still would be difficult to call you down) if he calls your raise and check to your river and you didn't make your draw, then you have to fire 3rd barrel 2/3 pot at least try to take a stab at the pot.

This type of play should be mixed with  some of your monster hand. preferable 2:1 ratio to be effective. and you should have a relatively tight image on the table.

The general rule of betting is: you should bluff more when you look strong, you should value bet more when you look weak.
When you play weak on a weak hand, don't try to bluff in later street, it is very difficult for it to work.  When you bet on draw on flop, fire second barrel when you missed your draw on turn or just check fold.  Check call turn with draw then try to check raise river for bluff does not work often enough and it is too expensive.  There is no such thing as check call river for bluff like the recent discussion even in most of the live game..  Don't try it. it is stupid even if it wins you some "wo.. ah" when you pull it off.

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 00:53
2) you have total air and you feel your opponents's flop bet is very weak on a draw possible board(like flush draw), and you want to bluff at it. Reason is here, there is a clear draw on board, so your call looks relatively weak and you do only have air. if your hand is air and your play is weak, it is a bad combination. You can't win by show down and you can't win by bluff either in later street. so you should fold or take a stab at the pot right there. This play can back fire because some people might just put you on a draw and will stack off with a marginal hand. Then you have to fold.

是的，这类情况我也比较郁闷，首先对手的下注其实很诡异，他牌要是好，以我这么高的c-bet，他C/R我好不好

但是他bet了

而我考虑的是，我如果rasie，有些人喜欢用draw来bet/3bet，我玩不下去。

万一他call了，我把他放在什么位置，成牌或者是听牌，turn我还要不要bet。但是bet turn看上去他成牌或者听牌都还可能会call，rvier我们站得住脚的line是什么？

很多时候我直接放弃那样的flop，觉得有点不甘，但是往往最后都还是弃掉

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 00:55

我是打9人full ring 的..一般可以比 6max 更紧点.
windstormm 发表于 2010-6-9 23:27

我这两天也打了1万手FR，25NL，回头有空交流一下

今天有点晚了，我先睡了

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 01:31
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 01:35 编辑

回复 14# skizzik

是很难办，建议你raise at least with some outs.  like AK high.
example,
AsKh you raise on CO, bb calls.
after flop Jc6c2h,
bb donk bet 1/3 pot.  you raise to pot.  BB can donk with variaty of hands. he could have a weak J, middle pair(10s 9s 8s) or flush draws or a set/2 pair. With the fold equity, you are not behind much except set/2 pair. raise here is good because if he has a set he will let you know when he reraise you big (fish likes to small bets and reraise when raised as induce with set or 2 pair, it is an easy read and fold. rarely they do this with pure flush draw. If they do, just fold to them, it is not often enough for you try to catch their bluffs, you should probably follow the same line if you have over pair. ) with 2 pair and sets taken care in their range, you are not behind much on other hands and you have fold equity and position. raise it flop. If he calls, and flush card comes, be very careful (fish likes to bet small call raise with flush draw but check turn when he makes it). i would check behind often but fire on river if he checks to you again and you have high card (you represent a well played top pair or over pair). if there is no flush card and you didn't hit your pair, fire away 2 or 3rd barrel because his hand should not be able to stand 2 or 3rd barrel most of the time.

Most of the time, i suggest to fold your hand if you are unsure.  Knowing when to lay down a hand is just as important as value betting at microstake. There is no shame in it.

作者: nipbb 时间: 2010-6-10 02:18
顶啊新人帝啊呵呵
请问rush poker和普通桌哪些方面区别比较大啊？除了速度

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 02:56
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 02:57 编辑

回复 17# nipbb

rush poker 以前我cash 打得不多（除了去年我刚开始打holdem的时候，totally clueless), 主要打STT SNGs. 所以普通table我不是很了解。。不过现在rush 也有HUD, 我觉得应该没太大区别。。

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 08:22

回复  skizzik

是很难办，建议你raise at least with some outs.  like AK high.
example,
AsKh you  ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-6-10 01:31

呵呵看来这个帖子是我最近两个月参与讨论的最有意义的帖子

这样的松弱玩家的weak lead对我来说的确曾经是一个很大的问题，食之无味弃之可惜。后来我也开始选择时机去用air来rasie他们，不过如果他们跟了很多时候我就放弃。当然强draw我会选择2 barrel，甚至3 barrel

昨天打FR感觉比SH舒服很多，让我难受的决策更少。输了几手冤家牌，比如两次topset输draw，KK输AA，AK 3bet出AKX输KK，第二大顺输nuts顺，次大花输nuts花，还有两个super draw推了没draw到。然后打了1万手大约赢了接近220块。鉴于是同时打21桌，还算蛮不错的。

作者: nmgsy 时间: 2010-6-10 08:30
英语好好费劲能不能学习老邱他老人家能说汉语都说汉语呢也好造福我等不懂英语的啊

我相信论坛上至少50%的人，看英语不太习惯。

作者: David Chiu 时间: 2010-6-10 09:10

英语好好费劲能不能学习老邱他老人家能说汉语都说汉语呢也好造福我等不懂英语的啊

我相信论坛上至少5 ...
nmgsy 发表于 2010-6-10 08:30

支持 nmgsy同学的建议！可以理解风暴同学习惯用英语，尤其是写有关扑克的文章，用英语比较舒畅，完全理解！可以说感同身受。呵呵。。。问题是，考虑国内个别新同学不太习惯英语，看的比较费劲。既然很多新同学对你的讨论贴子灰常感兴趣，可否多花点时间用中文写呢？xiexie！辛苦了！！

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 09:22
呵呵有时候好像在国外呆久了，口头说汉语还比较流利，打字输入汉语就有点不适应了。可能会觉得还是打英文酣畅。倒也未必是有意打英文

或者有时候前面一段都还耐得下心来打中文，但是打不到三行就还是切成习惯的英文了

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 09:24
我的2对往往还是习惯rasie flop，的确在面临3bet的时候陷入困境

而且我的3条一定会rasie flop，毕竟到了turn再raise虽然能骗一些fish，但是对掌握baluga理论的reg来说却是让他脱身的良机，这也让我比较矛盾。虽然25NL估计没有很多，但是我确定50NL是有的

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 09:27

呵呵有时候好像在国外呆久了，口头说汉语还比较流利，打字输入汉语就有点不适应了。可能会觉得还是打英文 ...
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-10 09:22

是这样的. 谢谢理解. 不过david 既然说了. 我尽量打中文.. 虽然真很累... ^_^

我也建议新手多去2+2 转转. 又锻炼英语又学打牌.. 一举俩得... 那里有些文章真的不错..

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 09:30
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 09:31 编辑

然后打了1万手大约赢了接近220块。鉴于是同时打21桌，还算蛮不错的。
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-10 08:22

21桌不错啊. 我只能打俩桌.. 否则头疼.. 感觉好好考虑一下每一手牌对我自己进步更有帮助..

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 09:37
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 09:41 编辑

而且我的3条一定会rasie flop，毕竟到了turn再raise虽然能骗一些fish，但是对掌握baluga理论的reg来说却是让他脱身的良机，这也让我比较矛盾。虽然 25NL估计没有很多，但是我确定50NL是有的
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-10 09:24

3条也要看牌面.. 有时flush draw 的board, 虽然raise 很好, 但你一raise 他就溜不如call 一把, 特别如果你读出他不是draw 而是top pair, over pair 之类... 你一call, 他马上觉的你弱是draw, 反而stack 你on turn with his over pair and top pair or even middle pair sometimes. flush draw成为你的cover. 一般来说dry board 他们更觉得是baluga.. 那你就dry board, float flop, raise turn with air.. 赫赫

作者: David Chiu 时间: 2010-6-10 10:03
呵呵，风暴同学的中文进步的如此快速，可以告诉我有什么秘诀吗？为什么我就学的那么费劲？不过，“革命尚未成功，诸君尚需努力”。呵呵。。。

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 10:10
david wsop 百忙中还和我们灌水... 我要受宠若惊, 不知所以了...

作者: David Chiu 时间: 2010-6-10 10:18

david wsop 百忙中还和我们灌水... 我要受宠若惊, 不知所以了...
windstormm 发表于 2010-6-10 10:10

前两个Event打的非常烂，休息两天调整好心态再战。另身体还没有完全康复，给自己找个借口偷懒。呵呵

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 10:35
david 要加油啊... 我可把你加在我ftp wsop fantasy league 里都是主力阵容.. 我还指望你赢我几个free roll 呢..

身体康复后一定要加油!

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-6-10 11:30
本帖最后由 cyylce 于 2010-6-10 11:34 编辑

打中文用搜狗拼音吧，打起来还是很方便的。楼主的贴我是用google翻译来看，还是难理解你说的ABC扑克，请楼主贴些牌谱上来给我们实例教学下

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 12:05
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 12:07 编辑

我在mitbbs 上有很多贴图牌例. 你可以搜我的帖

http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsdoc2/TexasHoldem_0.html

其实有些词我也不会翻中文.. 象nit, fit and fold...这些词我也是看2+2学来的...

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 12:53

3条也要看牌面.. 有时flush draw 的board, 虽然raise 很好, 但你一raise 他就溜不如call 一把, 特别如果 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-6-10 09:37

主要是我开这么多桌子，同层级的reg很多都对我的打法有印象，而且我的策略其实相对要nit一些。比如我几乎一定raise super draw，如果他们rasie我一定3bet。

所以我的set如果要考虑call flop，那基本上肯定是一个非常dry的board。毕竟有的时候一个非常dry的board上我的AA被rasie都会在想自己还能赢多少牌型。以便和我的float混合起来。极少数情况我会用turn raise来float，不过似乎有点过度，还不确定合适不合适，目前过滤显示成功率非常漂亮，也有过大的损失，但是总的来说赚了不少

我的思维里还是有一部分所谓的“不给对手合适的听牌比例”的模式，虽然我现在也不再觉得它是圣经了，但是当然大牌玩大彩池、尽量让对手支付更多始终是我们考虑的。所以在一个有draw的牌面下我基本肯定会rasie，而且size要偏大

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-10 12:56
其实这个层级的确是ABC就好了，非常ABC也不是问题

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-6-10 15:36

我在mitbbs 上有很多贴图牌例. 你可以搜我的帖

其实有些词我也不会翻中文.. 象nit, fit and fold...这些 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-6-10 12:05

无法显示。

fold不是盖牌么？ nit就是紧松吧？

作者: 看图说话 时间: 2010-6-10 19:06
和69型选手正相反 nit应该可以翻成软弱型选手

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 21:19
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-6-10 21:27 编辑

其实这个层级的确是ABC就好了，非常ABC也不是问题
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-10 12:56

完全同意. ABC poker 就行了. 不要老想玩花的..
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无法显示。 fold不是盖牌么？ nit就是紧松吧？
cyylce 发表于 2010-6-10 15:36

Fit and fold 就是叫到牌就打, 叫不到就fold. NIT 是很紧很紧的选手,而且打fit and fold 为主after flop, 如果NIT发彪,preflop 是AA/KK, after flop 是 set+, 所以要绕着走. 这些都不是真真的ABC poker. 该偷的时候, ABC poker 你也得偷with your read. 不要瞎偷, 如果别人raise过你show strenghth了, 那就可以shut down了, 特别如果你没牌的时候

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-6-10 22:11
“Fit and fold 就是叫到牌就打, 叫不到就fold.”
是否是顶对以上算是叫到牌，中等对子有人raise、都fold
什么是set+？

新手多多关照~~！谢谢

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-6-10 22:20

“Fit and fold 就是叫到牌就打, 叫不到就fold.”
是否是顶对以上算是叫到牌，中等对子有人raise、都fold
...
cyylce 发表于 2010-6-10 22:11

这个看每个人了. nit 一点的可能middle pair 都丢.. 松软一点的可能叫到底..因人而易.

作者: royalflush 时间: 2010-6-10 22:57

英语好好费劲能不能学习老邱他老人家能说汉语都说汉语呢也好造福我等不懂英语的啊

我相信论坛上至少5 ...
nmgsy 发表于 2010-6-10 08:30

同意赞成
中文论坛最好还是用中文好
除了用那些不能打中文的电脑之外我都用中文

作者: sama 时间: 2010-6-11 10:00
對了,我想請教一下怎樣在網上看到自己在pokerstars的記錄?

我剛才在pokerstars那裏拿了一個數據
總共參加777局玩到翻牌圈：
- 99次位於小盲注位置，其中23次參加牌局    （23%）
- 99次位於大盲注位置，其中27次參加牌局    （27%）
- 579次位於其他位置，其中58次參加牌局    （10%）
- 777次中有共有108次    （14%）

攤牌時贏得底池19次，共贏牌28次    （68%）
未攤牌贏得底池113次
這個是好還是不好..不過應該是不錯的xd..因為我win了200元美金我玩50nl的full buyin的

作者: bonycamel 时间: 2010-6-11 11:40
"we need to call river bet with marginal hands to avoid being bluffed." 我觉得这种高级思维用在高级别更适合，如果是在NL25,NL50,是burning money.
我前段时间在ps NL25,NL50都打了一些，感觉NL50更容易些，因为NL25更tough一些，很多reg不停的3bet light甚至4bet light.恭喜风暴兄的好成绩。

作者: bonycamel 时间: 2010-6-11 11:41

很多建议是AF保持在3比较好

对于需要主动bet或者rasie的牌型我还比较了解，但是我想交流一下都有哪些牌值 ...
skizzik 发表于 2010-6-9 23:24

在ps遇到过KK，的确打得很凶，不一会儿我就撤了，呵呵。

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-6-11 14:11
其实凶来凶去把平均池底打得太大，最后笑的是PS

只是现在整个环境大家都越来越猛

他3bet light你很多，你不得不4bet light他很多，然后被他push all-in很多，最后call range松了很多，被抽走的钱也多了很多.......

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-6-12 09:50
[s:178]我想问下楼主的资金管理，用了多少个买入做资金后盾？你的资金增长是不是一开始就像你所贴的图那样？

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-9-16 21:53
这贴不能沉~~~很多东西还没学到
还是要求风暴兄解析下ABC扑克

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-9-16 23:31
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-9-16 23:36 编辑

你顶这干啥，让众高手笑话。。  ABC打法我在前面的帖里聊到些，其他我就不多说了，那是我cash 打了半年后的一些体会，很多在microstake还是很有用的，但我最近打法上还是有所改动的，特别是上了NL100 后。。

我错过了你有关bankroll 的问题，我应该早些回答的。。。我去年5月开始打的NL holdem.  前一个月打cash NL10, 基本瞎打，输了130$, 后转打9 人sng，买如从1$->2$->5$，开始稳定盈利，bank roll management 基本属于very nitty. 保证有 100X buy in after my first level up, 所以升级极慢。  去年年底也打到了1k bank roll。今年年初因为rush poker, 转打rush cash, 那时我在NL10 也是不能稳定盈利了，虽然我对NL holdem 的理解比去年月好很多。但我有1k bank roll，所以bank roll 没有问题， 100X buy in.. 所以感觉我能盈利后，就升到了NL25..以后我升级基本包证有50X buy in + 20 buy in buffer,  对有些人来说还是有点nitty, 但咱新手不nitty 点不行，反正也不急。。  最后一次升级在8月初，那时bank roll 是6.5k, 升到了 NL100,  现在bank roll 是8k+,  粗略计划是到12 k 升级到NL200。。。 NL 100 so far 虽有盈利但打得不好，最近做了很多adjustment。希望能把赢率提高到3bb-5bb/100 hand，现在虽能赢钱但还远远做不到。。希望这些进程对你有帮助。。

P.S..  buffer 的意思是输了buffer 就降级, so far 还没有发生过, 我基本很快就可以感觉出来在一个级别能不能赢钱,如果不行也降级,不必和自己的bank roll 过不去,练练再上, 那些高级别又不会消失,不用急....

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-9-17 11:56

你顶这干啥，让众高手笑话。。 ABC打法我在前面的帖里聊到些，其他我就不多说了，那是我cash 打了半年后 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-9-16 23:31

看你进步真是神速，感觉你是个天才啊，我有个要求，把你nl10的牌铺发给我？我可以通过你的牌局来了解你的思路。这个要求是不是过分了点？

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-9-17 12:13
要是天才我现在就打NL1000了.. 赫赫, 明显不是天才... 牌谱算了把.. 我NL10 也就break even.
0bb/100 hand. 没啥看的...

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-9-30 10:27

要是天才我现在就打NL1000了.. 赫赫, 明显不是天才... 牌谱算了把.. 我NL10 也就break even.
0bb/100 hand ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-9-17 12:13

好的，感觉自己可以盈利了就可以升级了，请教你的盈利包括了"红利+返水"？我现打了几个月，好像盈利的都是反水与红利，有点迷惘~！

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-9-30 23:14
回复 50# cyylce
如果盈利只有红利和反水，还是不要升级。至少要打到3bb-5bb/100 hand over 30 k hand 再说。。

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-9-30 23:43
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回复 cyylce
如果盈利只有红利和反水，还是不要升级。至少要打到3bb-5bb/100 hand over 30 k hand 再说 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-9-30 23:14

我好像已经打够30khand了，你帮我看看

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-10-1 01:11
这是十么级别？自己算一算多少bb/100 hand 吧。。我觉得你还是搞个poker tracker 或 holdem manager 吧。。数据会比PTR 好看很多，还可以看到自己个个位置的不同数据。。

作者: zhendejin 时间: 2010-10-1 01:58
回复 53# windstormm

风暴啊，弱弱的问一下，你觉得用那个poker tracker除了能看自己的数据外，在打cash rush的时候看对手用处大吗？我没用过。。。
不过我发现一问题，就是，FTP rush NL50里面，我不用软件看好多人都脸熟了，可见多少常客！！！是不是Poker tracker 记录你rush里面每一手打过的牌，然后你要跟某个人打过很多手，就会有他的很多数据？

作者: xiaodd 时间: 2010-10-1 05:22
lz现在成绩怎么样？应该有10万手NL50了吧

作者: JACKPOKER 时间: 2010-10-1 14:03
能不能用汉语啊咋这莫多英语看不动

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-10-1 14:34

这是十么级别？自己算一算多少bb/100 hand 吧。。我觉得你还是搞个poker tracker 或 holdem manager 吧。 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-10-1 01:11

bb/100 hand？
不懂怎么算啊，我打的瑜伽扑克，cake系列，好像不能用软件的，郁闷，看来要改打ps了。

作者: windstormm 时间: 2010-10-1 22:40
本帖最后由 windstormm 于 2010-10-1 22:54 编辑

bb/100 hand？
不懂怎么算啊，我打的瑜伽扑克，cake系列，好像不能用软件的，郁闷，看来要改打ps了 ...

就是每100 手赢多少big blind. 可以自己算。

lz现在成绩怎么样？应该有10万手NL50了吧

NL100 都有10万手了。 bank roll 过了10k. 希望年底前升级到NL200. NL100 最近改了打法，效果不错。九月30k hand, 超过6bb/100 hand. 加上反水和红利，盈利达到2.5k$

风暴啊，弱弱的问一下，你觉得用那个poker tracker除了能看自己的数据外，在打cash rush的时候看对手用处大吗？我没用过。。。
不过我发现一问题，就是，FTP rush NL50里面，我不用软件看好多人都脸熟了，可见多少常客！！！是不是Poker tracker 记录你rush里面每一手打过的牌，然后你要跟某个人打过很多手，就会有他的很多数据？

网上打牌，poker tracker or holdem manager 是必需的。 rush 以前PT3 HUD 不能用，现在不知道行不行。我用holdem manager. 打rush poker HUD 是比普通卓更重要。因为很多牌你没看到，但会在你的database 里。我曾经在其他地方说过“没有HUD, 玩rush poker 就是给人送钱." 绝对没错的.

作者: cyylce 时间: 2010-10-9 17:29

就是每100 手赢多少big blind. 可以自己算。

NL100 都有10万手了。 bank roll 过了10k. 希望年底前升级 ...
windstormm 发表于 2010-10-1 22:40

下定决心买软件~~ holdem manager 到时候还请风暴兄多多指教

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