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作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-1-27 14:46
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
最近在Poker Network里看到一篇文章讲遇到下风期的对策，现全文节选如下：

“A few things I tend to do everytime I go through one of these patches..

1) Get someone you respect to review a HH of a tournament you recently went deep in. When nothing seems to go right, poker can make you feel like the game is unbeatable/you\'ve lost the ability to play. If it\'s really affecting you emotionally, you\'re probably playing worse than you were at the start of the downswing - perversely this will lengthen your downswing since you\'ve temporarily reduced your edge over the field. Having an unbiased observer review your game is probably the best thing you can do for your confidence, short of actually shipping something. Even if you find one or two things you can implement/adjust in your game, this can give you renewed vigor to go and grind. You also need to be mentally prepared/want to have someone better than you tell you that you have leaks in certain areas, accept this and then go about working on them.

Additionally, having a good support network via skype/AIM/MSN or simply by actively participating in HH discussion on forums like this can be a huge help.

2) Analyse the structure of the downswing. Your ABI is about $50, but most players are buying into a variety of tournaments above and below their ABI. If you\'re simply bricking the top end of your buyin range then your downswing will be sharp, but structurally this is less of a problem than if you\'re just not making deep runs anymore, so figure out whether this is the case.

Getting a feel for how many buyins you\'re down is useful. With due respect it looks like you ran pretty hot early, shipping some decent stuff, so you may not be as aware of how bad downswings can get compared to a player that didn\'t run as well early and has had to experience the good with the bad. If you\'re playing big fields at non-euro sites, 200+ buyin downswings are not uncommon. Obviously you don\'t brick 200 in a row - that downswing might run out over 1k games.

And with that knowledge comes the third point.

3) Play more volume. Sharkscope/OPR the MTT results of some of the winning players you know - with a few notable exceptions, most of these guys are consistently profitable simply because they\'re putting in anywhere from 50-250 MTTs per week. If you check out their graphs there\'s some fucking nasty shit in between the wins - the only difference is these guys get through downswings in a couple of weeks simply because they put their head down and play through it. Once you have renewed confidence that your downswing is within the realms of \'normal\' and/or you\'ve had your game reviewed and are now more confident your game is on track, play like a fucking madman. And definitely celebrate your wins - when I win something I schedule in a day off and get a bottle of something nice.

From what I can tell your total MTT volume is in the range of 2k games - this is certainly not a reliable sample with which to base future winning potential.

And finally..

4) Further reduce variance through buyin/field size. If you\'re used to playing only the big stuff, then this option isn\'t glamorous, but it works. Add in smaller buyin tournaments and tournaments with smaller field sizes to your schedule, and maybe drop your biggest stuff. The smaller field size and softer player sample will naturally mean you\'re going to get some wins quicker than playing a 109r or whatever. Or play the higher end of your buyin range on sites like ipoker, bwin, UB, Cake, Party..where the fields are smaller and noticeably worse than Stars/FTP.

What you choose to play is relative to your bankroll/current limits, but there are certainly many regs with ABIs of $50 that I see playing a wide mix of stuff. Some extreme examples would be guys like ICuRaRook, EeeTee2008, ramondemon77, AmirSF, gIRL90iqhdaa, Athanasios9, derek8 - some of which play 109r\'s along with tiny stuff with smaller payouts or 180 man SNGs to reduce their variance. They also make the Stars TLB race part of their motivation, which helps grinding the plebbier stuff. The Stars VIP program, p5\'s leaderboard and TripleCrown are also good motivators.

Closer to home, kennl is a great current example of someone who plays up and down the buyin scale and has put in very consistent results with a ton of volume.

Hope this helps.”

不知道大家在遇到下风期的时候有啥应对的好办法

作者: luckypanda 时间: 2010-1-27 15:44
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
休息。 [s:178]

作者: bigmao 时间: 2010-1-27 16:17
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
正好可以用来享受生活，比如旅游，泡吧，唱卡拉OK，有女朋友的话就陪陪女朋友，没女朋友正好去找一个。。。嘿嘿
如果钱输光了，在家里看看书，看看电视也不错。
现在还可以玩RUSH POKER，那个比较小，也输不了多少，就像打电子游戏，还能提高水平。

作者: 德州新人 时间: 2010-1-27 22:41
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
降低等级或者玩玩免费比赛不错。

作者: missmadj 时间: 2010-1-27 22:50
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
玩免费比赛

作者: 伟大的墙 时间: 2010-1-28 00:11
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
睡觉

作者: phil-ivery 时间: 2010-1-28 14:32
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
打星际
但心里总是不定

作者: royalflush 时间: 2010-1-28 20:15
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
沉默...

作者: FreeFree 时间: 2010-1-29 18:09
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？

沉默...

[s:167] [s:167] [s:167]颇有偶的风范么！

作者: royalflush 时间: 2010-1-29 20:07
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？

[quote="royalflush":e88jfym8]沉默...

[s:167] [s:167] [s:167]颇有偶的风范么！[/quote:e88jfym8]

哈看到freefree 沉默的时候也变成不沉默 [s:167]

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-1-29 23:23
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
这篇文章正是我最近需要的

作者: FreeFree 时间: 2010-1-29 23:40
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
这篇文章到底说了啥，一点不知道。因为都是英文的，所以一句也没看，小顺子快来告诉俺这篇鸟语文章到底值得看不，要是值得，俺再看~~ [s:167]

作者: fcf 时间: 2010-1-30 02:39
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
我现在只有月底才去看成绩，平时只是看自己这个月玩了多少手牌，这就没有下风期了

前几天一个人上桌第一手赢了200然后就跑了，我当时想 “嗨，可惜，牌数只增加了一手。”
[s:167]

作者: royalflush 时间: 2010-1-30 09:53
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？

这篇文章到底说了啥，一点不知道。因为都是英文的，所以一句也没看，小顺子快来告诉俺这篇鸟语文章到底值得看不，要是值得，俺再看~~ [s:167]

文章关于比赛的嘻嘻但是有几点可能适合想你这样的cash game player

1
你应该有几个扑克好手的朋友
让他们看看你的hand history, 在aim, msn 之类上讨论
多上论坛参与讨论

3
玩多一点比赛 = 玩多一点手

意思是如果你是好玩家，你的下风期应该是运气不好，多玩就是把运气成分减低
但是大多数人在下风期多玩是输的，因为判断力减低了，很多决定都是比较情绪化

作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-1-31 12:31
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
昨天我的嗓子发炎高烧不退只能去医院输液，大夫说打一针要200RMB当时就把我雷到了！怎么国内看个小感冒这么贵，这样的收费一般老百姓怎么能负担得起。输液时我思考了很多事情，我们这些人打牌赚的钱在医院面前显得是多么渺小和苍白，而在病痛的折磨下空虚和寂寞又被放大形成一种潜意识里的自暴自弃。而金钱对人的诱惑在病痛面前显得毫无意义，只有健康的身体才是我们最应该珍惜的。于是输完液回到家我打开了FTP开始PLO寻求刺激，连续输了几个买入后我感觉头重脚轻整个人好像变成了宇宙飞船，我仿佛体会到了freeMM携带各种面具周游世界直到死亡向我招手之意境，以前我一直认为自己是个纯爷们，得了病之后我才知道啥是女人。

作者: a32471925 时间: 2010-1-31 13:10
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
比较难控制

作者: Moonwalker 时间: 2010-2-1 11:29
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？

昨天我的嗓子发炎高烧不退只能去医院输液，大夫说打一针要200RMB当时就把我雷到了！怎么国内看个小感冒这么贵，这样的收费一般老百姓怎么能负担得起。输液时我思考了很多事情，我们这些人打牌赚的钱在医院面前显得是多么渺小和苍白，而在病痛的折磨下空虚和寂寞又被放大形成一种潜意识里的自暴自弃。而金钱对人的诱惑在病痛面前显得毫无意义，只有健康的身体才是我们最应该珍惜的。于是输完液回到家我打开了FTP开始PLO寻求刺激，连续输了几个买入后我感觉头重脚轻整个人好像变成了宇宙飞船，我仿佛体会到了freeMM携带各种面具周游世界直到死亡向我招手之意境，以前我一直认为自己是个纯爷们，得了病之后我才知道啥是女人。

看病的话只要不是大病，总还是看得起的。国内的房价那才叫一个贵啊...

作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-2-2 19:38
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
刚才在Brain Townsend的博客里看到他谈论最近的在PLO里遇到的down swing，和大家分享一下现全文摘抄如下

February 01, 2010
Frustration
The past two months have been incredibly frustrating for me. Below are my PLO results from the past two months.

As you can see I played 36k hands and in terms of all in EV I should be up 440k but instead I am stuck 2.75 million dollars.  I noticed this yesterday and was feeling pretty sorry for myself.  In theory I would like it to not bother me, but it does bother me and effects my life out side of poker.

After wallowing in my own self pity yesterday for a few hours I finally got control of my emotions and realized that this isn't something in my control and something I shouldn't let effect me or my life.  That helped and I was feeling better again until I sat down today and lost about 500k in 250 hands.  Again the losses were in the big bet games and primarily my best game PLO.

What I find most frustrating is how the game I am by far best in, PLO, I can lose so much and games that I have just learned within a few months I am having good winning results in.  After all this time one would think these things wouldn't bother me and that I would be unphased by these blips in variance.  That's great in theory but in practice these blips that last month at such huge stakes take a toll.

To counter my run at PLO here are my results at Stud since I started learning the game in August. My winrate is a bit messed up because of the antes on stars but looking just at FTP I have a .5 bb/100 and have won more in less hands on stars.  I would estimate my bb/100 should be between .75 and 1.

In my life I have played 17,420 hands of Stud and done very little analysis on the game.  I have been focusing on Stud 8, razz and O8.  I only recently got a coach in Stud and have only worked with him for one session.  Stud is by far my worst game yet I am still doing very very well in it, while getting crushed in PLO.

I think what I am facing is what makes poker and in particular PLO such a beautiful game.  I think games with variance built into them are so much better than games with no variance modifier.  In chess there is always an optimum move.  In the same way poker has an optimum move or decision as well, but its often much much harder to see that or even think about that correct decision as there is so much fluctuation that its tough to tell if that move is correct.  To learn by trail and error is incredibly time consuming in poker and takes years to master a game.

I have two apps on my iphone, a chess app and a backgammon one.  I find myself almost never playing the chess one and constantly playing the backgammon one.  When I was a young boy I was very good at chess and it was the first game I loved.  I played it constantly and not to brag to much won a small scholarship to college by winning a chess tournament [s:149].  I had never played backgammon until I got the app on my phone.

So why do I almost exclusively play backgammon and almost never play chess on my iphone?  I believe its because I never win in chess.  The program I play gets tougher each time you play it and I have reached the point where I just never beat it.  In backgammon my skill is much much less than in chess but I win about 40%-45% of games because of luck revolving around rolling the die.

When I lose in chess there is no one to blame but myself.  I can't say I somehow got unlucky, I have to admit I was out played.  In backgammon I can always say the die went against me or that the computer cheated and rolled what it needed.  I like to think of myself as an analytical person who would realize that the computer was making better decisions than me in backgammon.  But the reality is its far easier to say that I am just rolling poorly and losing because I am getting unlucky.

I guess the point I am trying to make is (I know my blog gets a bit preachy at times) that I shouldn't be incredibly frustrated by this terrible run, but should appreciate it.  Its this variance that creates the illusion to people that they are winning poker players.  Its this variance that has given action and made millions of dollars for me over the years.  As Phil Helmuth says "If there weren't luck I would win everyone."  and although this may be the case its this luck or variance that makes poker such an amazing game and why weaker opponents continue to play strong ones.  Without this luck I would still be in grad school in a dark lab or office working on my PhD a much unhappier person than I am today.  I hope for the rest of today I can appreciate my downswing and what these downswings have brought me.

作者: pickwick 时间: 2010-2-3 21:45
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
找人打现场麻将，串串运气。

猪，你回来了，请你吃饭吧！

作者: sukesuke 时间: 2010-2-6 18:24
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
谢谢，休息一下。

作者: 插一腿 时间: 2010-2-7 07:04
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
背的时候就少玩一些，降级打小点的。我从PS 有玩家级别开始年都是Supernova, 而且基本都是前五个月就挣够10万VPP点数了。2009年太背，全年还没挣够2万点，相当于每年的十分之一。这样就是年底运气没转过来，也就输一万，不至于崩溃。今年运气转过来了，就多打大打。即便我现在工作非常忙，玩的时间少，但一月份还是挣了2万VPP, 相当于去年全年的了。

作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-2-7 08:59
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
老插我十分认同你的打牌理论，要玩就玩大的！其实很多人水平已经够了但是胆子太小所以一辈子都很平庸，没有大起大落的刺激那生活还有啥意思，不怕破产的人才能赢大钱老插你是纯爷们，我感觉你在2010定会赢至少两个6位数的奖金，我岁数小给自己定一个的目标，但是在美国要交30%的税所以到时候我就说你是我的backer帮我把钱领了我请你喝酒嘿嘿嘿。我认为一个优秀的玩家是不存在输钱的问题，下风期也只是赢多赢少的事情。

作者: ccsspp 时间: 2010-2-8 09:04
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
连续遭遇两个badbeat,还是去睡觉为妙，扑克室的坏运气是连续的。

作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-2-9 11:43
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
这两天在PS几乎输了所有all-in，而且无论啥牌出了flop差不多就drawing-dead，简直就像blood-bath，即使流血止住了伤口也要些时间才能愈合。快过年了大家在PS玩一定要慎重，不要因为一些不过春节的白人-tard影响了自己的好心情。我从腊月二十八就不在ps玩了过完初七再说，可惜春节假期和FTOPS时间冲突有些比赛就不玩了。我的2009年过的挺不错，又浪费了一年大好青春，可体重控制的很好，比年初瘦了10斤，算上春节期间吃胖胖的5斤，实际比去年瘦了5斤。展望美好的2010我希望能到世界各地走走看看玩玩，希望能走桃花运走道捡钱包打比赛邻座是美女做飞机旁边没胖子，长翅膀的不都是天使会飞的也可能是鸟人带面具进公园不用买票运气来了喝假酒也不上头。祝大家财源广进虎年起飞。 [s:158]

作者: missmadj 时间: 2010-2-12 20:14
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
尽量的不打牌

作者: skizzik 时间: 2010-2-13 12:17
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
下风的时候的确打的欲望会很低，多巴胺分泌不足，肾上腺激素也不够

相反连续赢的几天，肯定天天都想多打一点

作者: doglas 时间: 2010-2-13 23:46
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
下风区，就是要研究自己的牌谱呀，为什么不研究自己的失误的地方，我记得一个老师说过，你连续3天的输，就是你的牌技上面有问题的。
多检讨自己在牌技上面的错误把。

作者: xlumulx 时间: 2010-2-14 03:01
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
活动一下，锻炼身体好了。

作者: hkhk111 时间: 2010-2-16 07:08
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
控制不住的打牌打牌然后是输输输

作者: lucifer 时间: 2010-2-22 12:15
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
下风就玩游戏币比赛

作者: shooterz 时间: 2010-2-24 11:39
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
最近正在打剑侠情缘3

作者: foxcui 时间: 2010-2-24 13:10
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
更换比赛类型继续打

作者: tongist 时间: 2010-2-24 18:23
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
下风期我就睡觉，看电影， [s:167]

作者: 沉默的猪 时间: 2010-2-24 21:58
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
今天在PS运气不错打进了一个FT奖金~3K，中后期我玩的很主动，在后位基本都raise或者3bet，最惊险的一次按钮raise想要收盲注，我在小盲3bet没想到他居然跟了，翻牌出来我下了一个2/3pot的bet还好他扔牌了即使他只是平跟我在turn上也很难打。中小买入的MTT到后期一定要狠一点，如果筹码超过20bb就要raise，raise raise raise 3bet 3bet 4bet all-in！

今天的运气也很好，赢了一些关键的coin-flop JJ>ak aa>kk jj>Q 10 aa>33>TT 平时一个bb就出局了今天都挺住了没有掉链子真是一件大快人心的好事! 下风期结束了，哦耶~

作者: andytheninja 时间: 2010-2-26 10:11
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
只能停止打牌看电视

作者: fuermofei 时间: 2010-2-26 15:27
标题: 下风期的时候大家都做点啥？
应该是降低等级吧把资金管理好希望教的学费不要太多 [s:149]

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