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标题: 深筹 TURN上NS&&2rd NF能不能推? [打印本页]

作者: 石头    时间: 2013-2-6 11:56
标题: 深筹 TURN上NS&&2rd NF能不能推?
深筹 TURN上NS&&2rd NF能不能推?
大发PLO5 一群小REG围着一条疯鱼绞杀,基本R每个POT,遭遇CR、R上重注时几乎都能支付。送了800多BB后稍有收敛。我400BB,在鱼下家。

BTN拿到KcQc6c9s,LP2家,疯鱼POT(鱼700多BB),我跟??,SB BB补齐
F:7c8c4h,我买双头NF R&&2RD NF,SB BB让给鱼,POT,我跟??SB跟(接近600BB),BB丢
T:Ad,SB让给鱼,继续POT, 我选择?



作者: 石头    时间: 2013-2-6 11:58
SB稍紧弱      
作者: Mirabelle    时间: 2013-2-6 12:57
只有3张5才是坚果顺子,另外的顺子和同花听牌都可能被统治,这样的听牌是绝对不能用深筹码拼命的

当然这里完全可以跟注,不过也仅仅是跟注而已

在PLO中,疯鱼的战斗力远远比在NLH中强大,所以你需要更加谨慎
作者: 石头    时间: 2013-2-6 13:52
Mirabelle 发表于 2013-2-6 12:57
只有3张5才是坚果顺子,另外的顺子和同花听牌都可能被统治,这样的听牌是绝对不能用深筹码拼命的

当然这里 ...

刚看到  T不是OUTS。。。老眼昏花了。
在TURN上POT回去还不能打完,

最近少有碰上“疯鱼”,偶尔还会被狠咬几口。

实际行动中 我是CALL了,R也没中,,,
作者: notch    时间: 2013-2-6 14:48
感觉turn出来以后fold也没啥
你的5已经不是nut了
花是2nd nut draw
作者: CAMP_Zhangms    时间: 2013-2-6 14:51
该咋说呢,我觉得筹码越深,相应的起手牌的质量就应该更加高。不能因为对手是鱼,以及自己位置好,就忽略了这点,如果是我可能翻前不会跟入这手牌。

既然你跟了open进去,翻牌中到2头顺+2nd flush draw,还算不错的牌力,即便是面对set or straight都可以一战。面对鱼的Pot bet,我觉得你要想的远一些。

如果跟了,后手SB BB都fold,那么你的outs 基本都是 nut out, K high flush 面对鱼基本也是够的,转牌面对pot bet还是可以跟下去,反加就不必了,毕竟你连个pair都没有。

如果你翻牌跟了,后手还有人跟,说明你的outs可能被人dominate了,你要的花别人可能也在听,你的outs少了。你的straight出来,也可能跟人分钱,等等此类的。 那么,转牌需要考虑check fold的路线。

如果你激进一些,可以考虑翻牌repot,打走其他家造成你跟鱼单挑。 如果鱼rerepot,你再跟入看转牌。如果鱼只是跟注你的repot,你就把你的draw当nuts 领打他。
作者: 石头    时间: 2013-2-6 15:21
CAMP_Zhangms 发表于 2013-2-6 14:51
该咋说呢,我觉得筹码越深,相应的起手牌的质量就应该更加高。不能因为对手是鱼,以及自己位置好,就忽略了 ...

张胸  受教了
刚上台,TOP SET在FLOP碰到MID SET追花  POT来 POT去被追上花,手就有些松了。

T不是我OUTS,这点在发帖后很长时间才发现,当时考虑的是14张OUTS,TURN上可以再发力。
2家都POT进来,一家成牌几乎定局了,反而没敢再贸然行动。

RIVER空气,C到我,我1/2POT 试图拿下,被SB的SET7接了。。。



作者: riverismyfriend    时间: 2013-2-6 15:50
good enough to get in on the flop
作者: monox0    时间: 2013-2-10 03:46
riverismyfriend 发表于 2013-2-6 15:50
good enough to get in on the flop


400bb are u serious?
作者: riverismyfriend    时间: 2013-2-10 09:19
monox0 发表于 2013-2-10 03:46
400bb are u serious?

ok maybe not, but def prefer raising than calling on the flop.
作者: monox0    时间: 2013-2-10 10:04
In this very situation,I prefer calling flop and fold on the turn ,turn is really bad. Our odds ott won't be good enough to get it in, and fold equity otf seems not high enough, u don't want to gamble 400bb against a fish ,we have better spot to catch.
作者: riverismyfriend    时间: 2013-2-10 11:14
monox0 发表于 2013-2-10 10:04
In this very situation,I prefer calling flop and fold on the turn ,turn is really bad. Our odds ott  ...

with non nut combo draw that has great equtiy against current nuts, calling on the flop to create a multiway pot is really bad.


作者: monox0    时间: 2013-2-10 16:30
Call flop because
1. I don't think nut flush draw will fold. even against raise given this loosy air.
2. you won't get much fold respect.
3. the hands we have really not that strong multiway.
4. I'll raise flop if  HU or I get the at least KT9x cc
作者: riverismyfriend    时间: 2013-2-10 18:23
monox0 发表于 2013-2-10 16:30
Call flop because
1. I don't think nut flush draw will fold. even against raise given this loosy ai ...

Call flop because
1. I don't think nut flush draw will fold. even against raise given this loosy air.
2. you won't get much fold respect.
3. the hands we have really not that strong multiway.
4. I'll raise flop if  HU or I get the at least KT9x cc

u said it's not a strong multiway hand and that's right, then why do you call instead of raising?  calling flop will encourge blinds to stay in the pot.
作者: shisfc0603    时间: 2013-2-10 20:13
多人池我只追坚果花和顺
作者: monox0    时间: 2013-2-10 20:56
riverismyfriend 发表于 2013-2-10 18:23
Call flop because
1. I don't think nut flush draw will fold. even against raise given this loosy ...


i think now I understand your point.

I'll say yes(to raise flop), if it's  <150bb  trying to gamble and fold the As if there is. but 400 bb, I don't want to raise and face diffuculty on the turn. say if you raise and both call, turn a club, cold caller donk, you will hate life .
作者: riverismyfriend    时间: 2013-2-10 21:58
monox0 发表于 2013-2-10 20:56
i think now I understand your point.

I'll say yes(to raise flop), if it's

well, there's also lots of time when both of blinds fold and you get to play the big pot in position with the crazy fish.
作者: 石头    时间: 2013-2-18 14:14
我偏紧,即便在BTN拿这类牌也仅仅是先CALL
看TURN再做计划,若是和FISH HU,和XXOO老师说的,可能就连抡3枪了
   




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