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作者: windstormm 时间: 2009-12-22 10:11
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH
I am at BB with 100 BB stack size. SB has 100 BB as well.  I was dealt JcJd.
Everyone folds, SB raise 3X. and I call.
Flop: 4c3h6c
SB bets pot size. I call
Turn: Ks
SB bets slightly less than half pot.
I call.
River: 7h
SB bets slightly less than half pot. What do I do?

This hand is  tough for me. Flop seems good for me, but I didn\'t raise flop since i was afraid to make pot too big.  What should I have done here?  Should I have reraised preflop or raised flop?  Or should I have folded turn?  To avoid misleading the discussion I will tell what sb has later.

Thanks in advance.

Another question in general. How do you guys play middle pair in general?  Say you have pocket 9s.  you are at button, call 3X MP raise. After flop K 3 5 rainbow, MP leads pot size bets. what do you do here? call and fold turn bets or raise or just fold? Fold seems too weak to me. Raise is too aggressive. But call seems to be just bleeding $$ away, since it is pretty tough to call another turn bets if turn is a blank.

作者: windstormm 时间: 2009-12-22 10:29
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH
Another hand, looking for advise. All people involved have close to 100 bb
SB i was dealt AcQc
EP raise 4X, Button call, I call too.
FLOP:  9cQd7s
I check, EP check, button bets 1/3 pot I raise to 2/3 pot, EP folds, button calls.
TURN : 2s,
I bets 1/3 pot (pot is already fairly big now with 30 bb). button calls.
River:  Ks.
I check river and button bets 2/5 of the pot. I called.

Question is whether i should have called this river bets?  The river does completes a straight or a flush and counterfeited my top pair. But again when i check river, it seems that I have to call the 2/5 pot bets river. Any comments?  Should i have bet more turn or check turn?

Had a few bad sessions in cash recently. I am trying to review my play and improve a bit.

作者: muyir 时间: 2009-12-22 10:54
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH

Another hand, looking for advise. All people involved have close to 100 bb
SB i was dealt AcQc
EP raise 4X, Button call, I call too.
FLOP:  9cQd7s
I check, EP check, button bets 1/3 pot I raise to 2/3 pot, EP folds, button calls.
TURN : 2s,
I bets 1/3 pot (pot is already fairly big now with 30 bb). button calls.
River:  Ks.
I check river and button bets 2/5 of the pot. I called.

Question is whether i should have called this river bets?  The river does completes a straight or a flush and counterfeited my top pair. But again when i check river, it seems that I have to call the 2/5 pot bets river. Any comments?  Should i have bet more turn or check turn?

Had a few bad sessions in cash recently. I am trying to review my play and improve a bit.

preflop is okay.
flop, i think your raise is too small. Pot is 12bb, btn bet 4bb like, at least you need to raise to 16bb to 20bb. it is a strong draw board, after the btn bet/call, i'd like to put him in T9 or TJ
turn is a blank, it also gave a spade flush draw. You bet 1/3 pot, if he has flush+straight draw, he has enough odds to call and also he has the postion. If I raise to 20BB in flop, the pot is 56bb, and i have 76bb. I want to push and end the pot here.
river gave TJ straight draw made. Also it gave flush made. I think you are beaten. I will choose check/fold

作者: muyir 时间: 2009-12-22 11:01
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH

I am at BB with 100 BB stack size. SB has 100 BB as well.  I was dealt JcJd.
Everyone folds, SB raise 3X. and I call.
Flop: 4c3h6c
SB bets pot size. I call
Turn: Ks
SB bets slightly less than half pot.
I call.
River: 7h
SB bets slightly less than half pot. What do I do?

This hand is  tough for me. Flop seems good for me, but I didn't raise flop since i was afraid to make pot too big.  What should I have done here?  Should I have reraised preflop or raised flop?  Or should I have folded turn?  To avoid misleading the discussion I will tell what sb has later.

Thanks in advance.

Another question in general. How do you guys play middle pair in general?  Say you have pocket 9s.  you are at button, call 3X MP raise. After flop K 3 5 rainbow, MP leads pot size bets. what do you do here? call and fold turn bets or raise or just fold? Fold seems too weak to me. Raise is too aggressive. But call seems to be just bleeding $$ away, since it is pretty tough to call another turn bets if turn is a blank.

作者: windstormm 时间: 2009-12-22 12:10
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH

[quote="windstormm":3uvyzi0a]I am at BB with 100 BB stack size. SB has 100 BB as well.  I was dealt JcJd.
Everyone folds, SB raise 3X. and I call.
Flop: 4c3h6c
SB bets pot size. I call
Turn: Ks
SB bets slightly less than half pot.
I call.
River: 7h
SB bets slightly less than half pot. What do I do?

This hand is  tough for me. Flop seems good for me, but I didn't raise flop since i was afraid to make pot too big.  What should I have done here?  Should I have reraised preflop or raised flop?  Or should I have folded turn?  To avoid misleading the discussion I will tell what sb has later.

Thanks in advance.

Another question in general. How do you guys play middle pair in general?  Say you have pocket 9s.  you are at button, call 3X MP raise. After flop K 3 5 rainbow, MP leads pot size bets. what do you do here? call and fold turn bets or raise or just fold? Fold seems too weak to me. Raise is too aggressive. But call seems to be just bleeding $$ away, since it is pretty tough to call another turn bets if turn is a blank.

Whether to raise preflop flop is dependant on what kind of player your villain is.
If he is not aggressive, I will not put him flop straight. He could have two pairs, set, A5 or flush draw. I think just call is okay for flop
However, call two barrels in flop and turn, you did not get any information what your villian has.
In the river, i will call only if the villian always like to bluff, because the only you can beat is busted flush draw.
I prefer to fold or raise turn.[/quote:3uvyzi0a]

Raise turn doesn't seem to make sense. If he come over the top we have to fold, and we still would have paid as much as calling river bets without even seeing the river cards and showdown. Especially we don't even have an over pair anymore on turn. guess it is a fold? Probably raise flop?

作者: kristen 时间: 2009-12-23 00:15
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH
要是我，我就reraise10BB了，再看他如何行动？

作者: windstormm 时间: 2009-12-23 02:42
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH

要是我，我就reraise10BB了，再看他如何行动？

Do you mean reraise preflop? What is your plan if he reraise again? fold or call? what about your after Flop plan?

作者: shooterz 时间: 2009-12-24 12:52
标题: 请教一手牌. CASH
JJ这手牌pre 不raise ，失去一次机会
flop 不raise ，又失去一次机会
turn 就只能两眼抓瞎
river 就只能去抓bluff了

有位置还是适当aggresive 一点。。。。不要怕人家on top ，不行就你再on 他top ，他也怕你的，哈哈

谈到middle pair 在button

比如99 flop K 3 5 ，当然结合对手的range ，如果超级紧手(不爱偷鸡) bet 而且flop pot size ，我认为70％的情况你是落后的，唯一你能打败的就是AQ AJ ，其他的起手range 都领先你五条横马路。fold也是不错的打法
如果对手CB 的概率很高，而且是凶恶型选手，我可能会在flop raise 他，把你准备call turn blank的钱挪到flop raise 一下，当然偶尔为之，当然，等你真的拿到set 你也要这么raise ，mix 一下，效果还不错。当然要偶尔为之，不能把把raise。
比较标准的打法 99在K35 这样的flop 都是可以 call 一手，看对手turn的举动，我看HSP里面基本的middle pair都是这么打的，但是面对turn的2nd barrel ，我觉得很少能抗住。。。某些时候就看感觉吧，看你对对手的read和表情的捕捉吧。。。。。很难讲清楚。。。就连 tom dwan 这么solid的选手，拿到JJ ，PA 6Ts pre 3bet ，flop A K 3， PA CB ，dwan call ，turn PA 2nd barrel pot ，就扔掉JJ了。。。不要试图赢下每一手

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